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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on August 30, 2011, 07:15:42 PM
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So here in my little burb of S. FL. We have a weekly "newspaper" with local events, goings on, school sports, etc,....
Well, the front page article was titled. "Gun Friendly Law, Leaves Springs In A Fix".
October 1, the Joe Carlucci Uniform Firearms Act, goes into effect. In essence, it makes all Florida counties adhere to State Law across the board.
Liberal leaning cities, (like mine) :-[ and Palm Beach, (FQ)... and others, cannot "modify" gun laws anymore. Currently, one cannot carry concealed in our city parks.....This changes 10/1.
So here's what I wrote/emailed the Mayor, Vice Mayor, and two City Commissioners, all quoted in the article.
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Dear Mayor Gold,
As a Coral Springs resident, I wanted to express my dismay and disappointment in reading your quotes in the Aug. 25th Coral Springs Forum, regarding the Joe Carlucci Uniform Firearms Act.
Equally disheartening, were the remarks made by members of the City Commission, and Vice Mayor. As you are well aware, in 1987, Florida passed a Concealed Carry Law. Since than, over 1.8 Million Permits have been issued to Florida residents.
Back than, the initial misconceptions from politicians in opposition to the law, were "blood in the streets, cowboy town shootings, folks being gunned down for a parking space." etc,..
All of these misconceptions never occurred, and have been proven false in 49 other states with Concealed Carry Laws.
The majority of Florida Voters supported this law, and the legislature, representing the majority, passed it. So I am requesting enlightenment regarding your pg. 1 quote in the Coral Springs Forum where you state, "This sets a bad precedent.".
Law abiding citizens can legally carry concealed firearms in grocery stores, retail shops, fast food establishments, hardware stores, and a host of other places that I am sure you frequent.
So please explain to me, and make the distinction between your opposition to lawful concealed carry in city parks, and the other areas where it is legal to carry concealed.
I have a Concealed Carry Permit, and have acquired professional training in firearms and self-defense for over 20 years. I am a member of the NRA, and a voter. I also take my Second Amendment Rights very seriously. It is sad that you and other members of the City Commission do not.
Please remember, that criminals prefer unarmed victims, and ignore any and all gun laws. Restrictive gun laws effect law-abiding citizens, exercising their Constitutional Rights, just like the other freedoms afforded to us in the Constitution.
When seconds count, the Police are minutes away, and I will defend my family from a lethal threat. Wherever that might occur.
Please feel free to email me back if you are so inclined.
"(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
James Madison.
"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self defense..."
John Adams, A defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788).
Sincerely,
Thomas Watchorn
Coral Springs
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I wrote similar emails to the Vice Mayor, and Commissioners using their quotes, and remaining polite. As much as I wanted to call them anti-gun liberal assclowns!!!
One Commissioner quoted: "Having people with guns anywhere they want is frightening", (I had a good one for that).
Another quoted: "A tragedy may occur." (I replied, like a child being kidnapped, a family beaten and robbed tragedy?)
I have yet to receive a response, and probably will not. But someone had to call them on it....Screw them. They are going to hear from someone who has had it.
Seeing how I'm on a list or two,.....this one probably got me on another.... ::)
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Hate to sound like a content Nazi, but the "49 other states" makes you sound a little like BHO and the number of states he visited.
Outside of that your letter was right on! It amazes me how people think they can pick and chose which protections within our constitution they can embrace or ignore.
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Hate to sound like a content Nazi, but the "49 other states" makes you sound a little like BHO and the number of states he visited.
Outside of that your letter was right on! It amazes me how people think they can pick and chose which protections within our constitution they can embrace or ignore.
What did I miss? ILL. is the only one left right??
The premise was to let him know,...that ALL the misnomers of "war on the streets", by issuing CCW permits, never happened.
Content Nazi,..... ???
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Hate to sound like a content Nazi, but the "49 other states" makes you sound a little like BHO and the number of states he visited.
Yes you forgot about the other 11 states, according to bHO.
Excellent letter TW. Revise it slightly as a generic editorial piece and send it to other local papers. Find all the local forums and post it there as well. If any local TV station runs a story about it, post your piece on their comment/feedback station. Hammer'm with it.
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With Wisconsin finally taking affect IL is the last no issue, but there are still eight may issues out there. May issue doesn't sound bad, but in some of those states and many local jurisdictions may = no. There are also many municipalities that still do what your area has done and in reality remove the ability to carry.
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Insert uproarious laughter here.
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Insert uproarious laughter here.
What he said!!
No replies will be received. Since TW is obviously a fanatic, right-wing, lunatic gun nut, these people won't respond in fear of retribution. The GOOD news, TW, is that you don't have the market cornered on douchebag asshat politicians.
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At most he will get the auto response, "You E Mail has been received Blah Blah Blah.
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Yes you forgot about the other 11 states, according to bHO.
Excellent letter TW. Revise it slightly as a generic editorial piece and send it to other local papers. Find all the local forums and post it there as well. If any local TV station runs a story about it, post your piece on their comment/feedback station. Hammer'm with it.
YES!!!!!
*I just busted our local birdcage liner last week about calling an AR-15 a "deadly assault rifle" in a police report....and actually, to their credit, they printed my correction to their story.
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Just checked....... That is a big NEGATIVE Ghost Rider....... :-\
My bad for expecting any accountability and class from a local any politician, even if they can't see common sense and logic.
(kinda like FQ),....but at least he replies back.... ::)
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Your follow-up letter should include the following:
DAMN Yankees - Go Home & take your liberal BS with you!!!!
Actually there are many who don't know about these liberal policies. I grew up in Palm Beach County & when I visit family there I never worry about carrying - it is Florida & we have a state that allows CCW, so I treat it like I thought all of Florida was - part of a free country. Obviously I was wrong & could have been persecuted under their commie policies. Of course since it is concealed carry, they would never know...
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Just checked....... That is a big NEGATIVE Ghost Rider....... :-\
My bad for expecting any accountability and class from a local any politician, even if they can't see common sense and logic.
(kinda like FQ),....but at least he replies back.... ::)
I kinda figured such. Maybe a followup letter...certified no less. That might make them feel uncomfortable though. Used to be, maybe still is, that certified-restricted had to be signed off to the adressee only...if the secretary signed for it that was a 1 year mail fraud charge. A college prof I had would not make the quarterly payments to the IRS back in the 70's..then he got garnished by the jerks so he went to the library (pre-internet) and looked up some IRS bigwigs name and sent him a letter citing how it wasn't legal to require quarterly payments, etc. Anyway, the secretary signed for it and before leaving the post office he filed a complaint...in less than a week after the USPO showed up at IRS with the complaint he had is money back.
I'm just saying...there's ways to make sure they read our letters.
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Only the Mayor replied:
Dear Mr. Thomas Watchorn,
I understand the principals upon which this country is based, including the second amendment.
A lot, and I am serious, a lot of residents have told me they do not like this change in our local ordinances and they are concerned for their children in our parks.
All the best,
Mayor Gold
* Bold added by me.
What a tool.....Please offer any advice if it's worth replying to.
Thanks
tw
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What did I miss? ILL. is the only one left right??
Vermont does not, nor have they ever required a license to carry concealed, open or otherwise. You can do whatever you want, wherever you want even as a visitor with the exception of Federal lands I believe.
A nit to pick I know but...
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Only the Mayor replied:
Dear Mr. Thomas Watchorn,
I understand the principals upon which this country is based, including the second amendment.
A lot, and I am serious, a lot of residents have told me they do not like this change in our local ordinances and they are concerned for their children in our parks.
All the best,
Mayor Gold
* Bold added by me.
What a tool.....Please offer any advice if it's worth replying to.
Thanks
tw
If they were truely concerned for their children's safety, They would be armed, and trained, to protect their children. This is something government can not do.
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There are several states that do not place such restrictions on their FBI approved, law abiding citizens with out the dangers he alleges.
Unless of course the high percentage of minorities in Fla. makes them more prone to criminal violence.
But that would be racist.
On the other hand, tool or not, at least he had the decency to reply.
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I kinda figured such. Maybe a followup letter...certified no less. That might make them feel uncomfortable though. Used to be, maybe still is, that certified-restricted had to be signed off to the adressee only...if the secretary signed for it that was a 1 year mail fraud charge. A college prof I had would not make the quarterly payments to the IRS back in the 70's..then he got garnished by the jerks so he went to the library (pre-internet) and looked up some IRS bigwigs name and sent him a letter citing how it wasn't legal to require quarterly payments, etc. Anyway, the secretary signed for it and before leaving the post office he filed a complaint...in less than a week after the USPO showed up at IRS with the complaint he had is money back.
I'm just saying...there's ways to make sure they read our letters.
Anyone can sign for certified mail. All it does is provide proof of delivery to the address, not an individual.
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<snip> certified-restricted <snip>
Anyone can sign for certified mail. All it does is provide proof of delivery to the address, not an individual.
NOT "certified" but "Certified-Restricted". Big difference 35 years ago.
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NOT "certified" but "Certified-Restricted". Big difference 35 years ago.
Sorry for the oversight. Learn something every day.