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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: McGyver on September 03, 2011, 07:21:57 AM
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"More than 200 licenses given to people to carry a firearm have been suspended after their Akron-area instructor was arrested this week on felony charges for not following state standards.
The instructor, Alvin Bagley, 57, of Fairlawn, is charged with tampering with records. Sheriff’s deputies say Bagley routinely certified people to carry weapons without conducting the required instructional standards."
More at link: http://www.ohio.com/news/local-news/akron-area-firearms-instructor-arrested-more-than-200-licenses-to-carry-guns-suspended-man-who-killed-lot-attendant-was-client-1.232720
It's about time they caught up to this guy! :-[
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Can't feel to bad for the CCH holders who are affected. They should have been enough aware of the requirements to at least know the range time requirement was skipped.
To the state's good is that they seem to be willing to work with those folks to get them reinstated.
Only bad thing is that he is associated with the NRA.
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Can't feel to bad for the CCH holders who are affected. They should have been enough aware of the requirements to at least know the range time requirement was skipped.
To the state's good is that they seem to be willing to work with those folks to get them reinstated.
Only bad thing is that he is associated with the NRA.
Exactly, and that's what all the negative coverage is going to focus on.
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Due diligence.
Most people don't bother with it.
Look what they elected President.
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Due diligence.
Most people don't bother with it.
Look what they elected President.
Hell, MOST people don't even know what it is!
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Due diligence.
Most people don't bother with it.
Look what they elected President.
I dated a girl name Sue Diligence.... I wonder if Dew is related?
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Hell, MOST people don't even know what it is!
I dated a girl name Sue Diligence.... I wonder if Dew is related?
Point taken ;D
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Can't feel to bad for the CCH holders who are affected. They should have been enough aware of the requirements to at least know the range time requirement was skipped.
To the state's good is that they seem to be willing to work with those folks to get them reinstated.
Only bad thing is that he is associated with the NRA.
Apparently at least a couple of them did, or this would not have come to the attention of LE.
This asshat gives ALL of us who are NRA-certified a black eye. I hope they hang his ass out to dry.
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Apparently at least a couple of them did, or this would not have come to the attention of LE.
This asshat gives ALL of us who are NRA-certified a black eye. I hope they hang his ass out to dry.
AMEN, bro! That's why I found it interesting enough to post.
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Must have taught with a local sheriff. From the Park City Daily News:
Edmonson County Sheriff B.J. Honeycutt now finds himself on the wrong side of the law after being indicted on charges stemming from "concealed carry" classes he taught.
Thursday, Edmonson County Sheriff B.J. Honeycutt was indicted on two charges.
Officials say Honeycutt "misrepresented having conducted training courses" back in 2004.
Gregory and Carolyn Ann Vincent claim Honeycutt never actually trained them during a "concealed carry" class.
The second charge says Honeycutt provided "incomplete firearms training" in 2006.
Bowling Green lawyer Steven O. Thornton says his client doesn't believe he broke any laws.
However, the courts think differently after handing down charges today saying that Honeycutt violated Kentucky statutes.
"They believe they have evidence to establish Sheriff Honeycutt releases to people to get "concealed carry" licenses that did not take the class," says Thornton.
Honeycutt, who has chosen to speak only through his lawyer, says the charges against him should not be lumped in with his job as Sheriff.
"The most important thing is obviously, these charges have zero to do with him as a Sheriff because you don't have to be a Sheriff to teach "concealed carry" class," Thornton says.
While Honeycutt is optimistic that he will be acquitted of all charges, Thornton says Honeycutt is still taking the indictment hard.
"I think its very hard for someone to have their name associated with the charges like this and have some people, whether rightly or wrongly, think he did something wrong," Thornton continues.
Honeycutt's arraignment is scheduled for January 3rd in Madison County Circuit Court.
If convicted, Honeycutt could face up to 10 years in prison.
The story is from 2008: BJ was allowed to resign from office and got probation and a fine.
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Wasn't he on M*A*S*H?
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Wasn't he on M*A*S*H?
I was thinking the same thing.
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Apparently at least a couple of them did, or this would not have come to the attention of LE.
This asshat gives ALL of us who are NRA-certified a black eye. I hope they hang his ass out to dry.
happens more often then you think, even sheriffs do it. the last sac county sheriff, issued a total of 6 CCW to non leo/doj. out of the 6, 4 were convicted felons, but had ties to the sheriff that were either political or $$$$
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"The most important thing is obviously, these charges have zero to do with him as a Sheriff because you don't have to be a Sheriff to teach "concealed carry" class," Thornton says.
That the man is a liar, cheat and swindler doesn't have any bearing on his job as Sheriff? He can change his nature when he changes his hat?
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"The most important thing is obviously, these charges have zero to do with him as a Sheriff because you don't have to be a Sheriff to teach "concealed carry" class," Thornton says.
That the man is a liar, cheat and swindler doesn't have any bearing on his job as Sheriff? He can change his nature when he changes his hat?
When you get right down to it, sheriffs are politicians (at least in PA, where they are elected). In that case, being "a liar, cheat and swindler" are resume enhancements.
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When you get right down to it, sheriffs are politicians (at least in PA, where they are elected). In that case, being "a liar, cheat and swindler" are resume enhancements.
And that's the rest of the problem....
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When you get right down to it, sheriffs are politicians (at least in PA, where they are elected). In that case, being "a liar, cheat and swindler" are resume enhancements.
And that's the rest of the problem....
Who's fault is that ?
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Who's fault is that ?
Not mine. I blame it on good old Dew.
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It's the fault of the voters who vote with out doing the slightest bit of research or based on what's in it for them.
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I am going to put the blame on the instructor and give the students a pass. The reason you take the class is to gain the information, and details of the instructional requirements are not always that easy to find. In Minnesota the instructor and course details are vague enough that it takes most instructors multiple tries to get their course approved, and BCA will tell you where you are lacking, but they do not tell you what they want.
This is the reason I like to take classes with multiple instructors. When there is a difference I can question them, and if I don't like the answers I can dig deeper.
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It's the fault of the voters who vote with out doing the slightest bit of research or based on what's in it for them.
I am going to put the blame on the instructor and give the students a pass. The reason you take the class is to gain the information, and details of the instructional requirements are not always that easy to find. In Minnesota the instructor and course details are vague enough that it takes most instructors multiple tries to get their course approved, and BCA will tell you where you are lacking, but they do not tell you what they want.
This is the reason I like to take classes with multiple instructors. When there is a difference I can question them, and if I don't like the answers I can dig deeper.
My previous post referred to scumbags as Sheriff. (or other elected office. )
In the context of the OP I agree with M58 up to a point.
On one hand as new gun owners they can not be expected to know what they don't know. If they already had the information they wouldn't need the training.
On the other hand, if they had done any research they probably would have found that this guy was slip shod in his training.
It amazing me that people will put more research into picking a car than into picking elected representatives or in this a person to train them in protecting the lives of themselves and their families.