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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on September 04, 2011, 09:52:19 AM
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MISSING GUNS: LOST AND DANGEROUS
THOUSANDS OF GUNS DISAPPEAR FROM GUN MANUFACTURERS
WITHOUT BACKGROUND CHECKS OR RECORDS OF SALE
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Every day over the last two and a half years, an average of at least 18 firearms
left licensed gun manufacturers’ plants nationwide without a record of sale, according to
a Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence analysis of data released in August 2011 by the
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
From 2009 to the middle of 2011, at least 16,485 firearms left gun
manufacturer’s inventory without a record of being legally sold.
The 16,485 “missing” guns are likely a
vast undercount of the total number of guns
that disappeared from gun manufacturers in
the last two and a half years.
This report follows a January 2011 Brady
Center report, “Missing Guns,” that found that
the nation’s gun dealers also “lost” more than
62,000 firearms since 2008.2
The missing guns are noted at ATF compliance inspections of gun manufacturers.
Nationwide there are 4,487 licensed gun manufacturers,3 but due to funding restrictions
ATF conducts compliance inspections each year at only about one-fifth of the nation’s
licensed gun dealers and manufacturers.4
Firearms that disappear from gun manufacturers’ plants without records of sale are
frequently trafficked by gun traffickers and prized by criminals. Guns taken from gun
manufacturing plants may also be removed before they have been stamped with serial
numbers, making them virtually untraceable.
More BS at link.
http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/Missing-Guns-Lost-and-Dangerous.pdf
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Horse crap.
I've worked in the industry,parts are strictly accounted for and serial numbered parts are accounted for by number.
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Guns taken from gun manufacturing plants may also be removed before they have been stamped with serial
numbers, making them virtually untraceable.
Ah, well I doubt few if any true guns are removed before the s/n is stamped. Now if they're not yet "guns", just castings that's a different story.
I seem to remember a show of a AR production facility where they didn't grind out the mag well until the receiver had been completely finished and passed inspection. Then they stamped the ID and ground out the mag well, making it a working receiver.
Could Brady be using this hype to try and pass legislation to control castings?
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wait, Any bets on rather those 16k and change guns were QC kicks?
Or vender guns that are given away/legally transfered as demos/ rental guns/ etc.
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Yes, Kahr did have an employee steal ONE! I wonder if any BATF agents have stolen any?
And did anyone notice that when you go to the BRADY report, their link to the BATF report doesn't work? 404 - not found.
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wait, Any bets on rather those 16k and change guns were QC kicks?
Or vender guns that are given away/legally transfered as demos/ rental guns/ etc.
There is something to what TAB says, because of scrap limitation policies there were, in the early stages of production, ways to make a scrap receiver "disappear".
It still turned up in the count, they just could not verify who scrapped it.
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Yes, Kahr did have an employee steal ONE! I wonder if any BATF agents have stolen any?
And did anyone notice that when you go to the BRADY report, their link to the BATF report doesn't work? 404 - not found.
I'm sure they have... when I was working as a industrail painter, we were working on a federal court house, all our stuff was in the secured garage. not allowed to lock anything up( if you did it would be cut and checked) I'm talking 3 or 4 layers to even get into the garage, always watched by either FBI or US marshels... anyways we kept having tools disappear. Like every day for a week.
So they went to the security tapes... guess who it was? Yep a FBI agent that was one of the group that supervized us.
I've also seen building inspectors steal tools.
So I have little doubt a ATF agent would not be above putting a gun in thier pocket.
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If they have no SN how the hell do they know how many are missing? Sounds like BS to me.
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IT'S BANE'S FAULT!!!!
16,485 is a mighty specific number for an "at least" and they specifically said sold. They transfer lots of guns for T&E that aren't sold yet.
That is the only "logical" explanation I can think of. The rest is BS
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Firearms that disappear from gun manufacturers’ plants without records of sale are
frequently trafficked by gun traffickers and prized by criminals.
If these guns "disappear" and are unaccounted for, how do they know that they are "frequently trafficked and prized by criminals"?
Just one more case of the Brady Bunch pissing on people's boots and telling them it's raining. Sad part is, a certain percentage will buy their bullshit hook, line and sinker.
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why would a crimal want a gun that can't be traced by a serial number?
have a gun made after 1968 in your Possession with out a serial number is a federal felony.( rather you filed it off or got in off a production line before it was serialized)
Why on earth would a crimal want to have a gun that if they are cuaght with is federal time?
Granted crimals are not always known for being smart, but still even a gang banger can figure that one out. You would get less time for a stolen gun, and it would be state time, not federal.
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;D Hey, great news. They found some of those missing guns. ;D
http://townhall.com/news/us/2011/09/10/2nd_arizona_crime_scene_yields_guns_from_atf_sting
:o Oh, nevermind. The ATF already knew where those were.