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Member Section => Defense and Tactics => Topic started by: nosimij on September 04, 2011, 10:09:29 AM
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My gun safe is starting to get crowded and I am trying to work out a way to quickly identify what “accessories” go with what. I had a plan before I started to gather "accessories". By accessories I am referring to barrels, magazines, lights and bolts (I pull the bolts out of my bolt action rifles for locking them). Now that I see what are on the plans to add to the safe I see that a simple color code by ammunition is not enough. What do you do to ensure that you never get to the range or bug out and find that you have the wrong…? If you need a better example watch the 80s comedy “The Survivors” “I’ve got the wrong bullets”.
I remember an episode of shooting gallery where Michel Bane showed the content of his safe, or at least some of his hand gun collection, this drove home the question “How does he keep the mags separated?”
My family is getting into shooting but I still set up most trips to the field or range, but I need to do something to eliminate the confusion. If they were thrust into a situation where they had to lock down the house and go to ground when I am at work, which could be abroad. I know that my wife knows that buck shot and rifled slugs need a smooth bore barrel. She I am sure can tell the difference between smooth bore and rifled, but I doubt that she can tell the difference between barrels for Remington 870 and Winchester 1300. I am sure that she could find the “kits” that we have put together for the bolt guns and identify hers, since it is the only kit that also contains magazines and is left handed. Even that will be a stress adder that she does not need. The system we have in place will allow her or the children, I am sure, to get the right ammunition at the least.
Current system which is not supported with available off the shelf storage solutions.
1) All long guns have a “safe sling” that is color coded to the ammo cans that contain that ammunition. All 12 gauges have one color. The 20 Gauge is easily identified by a different color. .22 has a third color. 45, 9mm and .223 all have colors assigned. I even have a color for non stock items in case I buy that 7.69x54r one day.
2) Ammo cans are painted to match these colors.
3) Hand guns we are making cases that look like Civil War flap holsters out of towels of the corresponding color to the ammunition. Unless you want Black, Tan, you name it camo pattern or Pink you are out of luck.
4) Accessory packs are made from whatever case we can find or scrounge, thank you united business class for small blue and silver zippered pouches.
5) Barrels NOTHING. But we are considering making socks for them. Same as the handguns.
NOTE: I am spraying down the Towel “holsters” and socks, if we make them, with oil to retard moisture retention.
What else is out there? Mr. Bane this is a kind of topic that might fit into one of your upcoming shows.
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Can't help with the bolts etc, but for my pistol magazines I have 6-8 for each semi auto. I keep them in 1 qt zip lock bags with the gun and caliber written on the bag with a sharpie. Just have to dig thru the bags till I find which one I want.
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I buy US Mil. tool bags for $10 at gun shows. Harbor Freight has something similar but they are not the same quality. In them I keep mags, holster and mag pouch/s. Some SA I only have one of and it is no problem but other 1911's I have more than one so I put the one I plan to use that day in the bag before I leave for the range or a match. I will put appropriate ammo in before I leave in the latter and leave some at all times in the former adding more as necessary. Also I keep any special tools and etc. in the appropriate bag. For your rifle bolts I suggest you put eact in a zip lock bag (labeled as noted)and then in sperate cloth bags similar to Chavez Regal (sp?) bags and store them hung around the appropriate rifle barrel. In my shooting bag I keep general tools, and ear protection. Eye protection is kept in my truck along with ear plugs for "just in case".
FWIW
Richard
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When I was in the NG bolts were stored separate from rifles, Each rifle had a number on the butt, that was it's location in the rack which was also numbered. The bolts were stored in a tool wrap with each pocket numbered .
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I am in the process of setting up small plastic tubs - 12x6x6 roughly - with a label on the front for each one. That way I can keep mags, holsters and various other accoutrements specific to one firearm - not that I have any, mind you ::) - separate and ready to grab as needed.
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Here's what I did to keep magazines somewhat organized. Not labeled but at least separated.
(The XD mags with green paint on the bottom are 9mm while the others a .40......however, they'll either will work in either gun, except the witness holes are off.)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-V9LUBUwF_VA/TF_u_e0snYI/AAAAAAAAd-s/1wvqxc8O4hI/IMG_2770.JPG)
I would think little "tombstone" signs sticking up in the rear of each compartment with the make/model/caliber would the a great way to mark the container.
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On some pistol mag models you can get colored floor plates for identification.
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If you have the same pistol in 2 calibers you could put bumpers on the mags of one caliber and leave them off the other.
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One question, why pull the bolt out of the gun? The gun for that bolt makes a really nice holder for it.
If they are locked in the safe what difference does it make except to add to the confusion?
If I need extra mags, they are all stored in a bin. 1911 mags are NOT seperated by gun - they work in all of them or they are trashed.
Choose what you want in a BOB and fill it with whatever you think you need. Hunting around for shotgun barrels seems like a terrific waste of time and effort. The shotgun has a place ready built for holding the barrel - in the gun where it should be.
Nearly all my guns are stored fully loaded. If I have any of it, I have all of it.
If you are going to re-invent the wheel, make sure it is still round. If it isn't, reevaluate your plan.
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One question, why pull the bolt out of the gun? The gun for that bolt makes a really nice holder for it.
If they are locked in the safe what difference does it make except to add to the confusion?
If I need extra mags, they are all stored in a bin. 1911 mags are NOT seperated by gun - they work in all of them or they are trashed.
Choose what you want in a BOB and fill it with whatever you think you need. Hunting around for shotgun barrels seems like a terrific waste of time and effort. The shotgun has a place ready built for holding the barrel - in the gun where it should be.
Nearly all my guns are stored fully loaded. If I have any of it, I have all of it.
If you are going to re-invent the wheel, make sure it is still round. If it isn't, reevaluate your plan.
I have to agree here. The ONLY time any of my firearms are disassembled to any degree is during cleaning. I have spare parts for all of them, but when I reach into the cabinet, no matter what weapon I grab, I get a working firearm. Aside from my carry gun, I only keep a few mags loaded for emergency use. (Rotating which ones every few months to keep the springs happy) The only 2 rifles in my safe that are not good to go the second I grab them are my AR series rifles. That is only because I don't keep a magazine in them when they are stored. That is quickly remedied by reaching to the top shelf.
Back to the point. I can understand why you disassemble for storage, but I would suggest that it would be prudent to at least have your survival weapons ready to go at a moments notice.
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Either I am completely off base here with my storage or I am being confusing.
The removal of the bolts is to install cable locks. This is a third line of defense against unauthorized use or child accidents. This I am sure is debatable to many but it is the path DW and I have chosen, Guns were bad until 2 years ago. On one there is physically no other place to mount a breach locking system.
The extra barrels are just that extras. As my shotguns spend most of their time as trap and bird guns they are stored in that configuration. Changing out the ventilated rib 28in barrel for the ironed sighted cylinder bore is not always done before putting the weapon back into the safe.
With that said few addressed my actual question, so I must have worded it poorly.
How do you segregate your accessories? To be more clear for those of you that have 3 9mms, 40s, or 45s (not 1911s) what do you do to make sure that you get the correct mags to go with the correct gun?
In the ideal world we would only have one brand of firearm, all of the same bore, and the magazines would be interchangeable. It seams that many people have strayed away from ideal and manufacturers are using magazine capacity to differentiate themselves. This make reality having to stay with a family. This may or may not give you the flexibility to have different guns for different tasks/situations. Looking at the top of the screen I see an add for the SR9c and CR40c. The SR9 family has 2, unless I missed an announcement, members the SR9 and the SR9c the full sized 17 round magazine will fit either, yet the 10 round compact will not seat into a the full size. So if you chose to have both a full sized for "duty" open carry use and the compact for the times where concealment is necessary you run the risk of getting somewhere and having a percentage of magazines that do not work in the gun you are carrying. This is made worse if you and the misses have decided to both carry 1911s, but she wants the reduced recoil of the 9mm. I am not yet here but I am looking to avoid confusion and mistakes.
On my way home from work tonight I was listening to a back issues of Downrange radio, from July 4 2007 I think, where Micheal was telling of watching a professional shooter running a stage with a Glock 40 loaded with a 9mm mag and ammo. I would like to hear the story of how this shooter ended up with the wrong mags. This is the justification I see for this question. in a real life and death situation stupid mistakes cost more than embarrassment and a match. Perhaps I am the only one who sees this as a potential or it could be an empty safe that I want to fill telling me stories of what could go wrong if I set myself up with a duty and a carry gun.
Thanks alfsauvefor giving an answer to the asked question. Your identification of the 40 Cal XD mags with the green paint is an answer. Do you have a green mark on your XD so you get a green gun and a Green Mag?
I am sorry if I was short tempered with my long winded answers to the responses.
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On my way home from work tonight I was listening to a back issues of Downrange radio, from July 4 2007 I think, where Micheal was telling of watching a professional shooter running a stage with a Glock 40 loaded with a 9mm mag and ammo. I would like to hear the story of how this shooter ended up with the wrong mags.
Thanks alfsauvefor giving an answer to the asked question. Your identification of the 40 Cal 9mm XD mags with the green paint is an answer. Do you have a green mark on your XD so you get a green gun and a Green Mag?
I'd like to know more about that shooting story also. Glocks will eat up pretty much any ammo.
RE: Green paint. Sort of. My XD is two tone, black over tan, not exactly green but close. My .40S&W was all black. Not that I actually planned it, I just happen to have that paint handy. I lucked out in that it sort matches the gun. I haven't done the same with my Glock mags. I have both 9mm and.40 mags for my G23 which is convertible. I really should stick with green for all the 9mm. I'm going to go down and paint theothers now as a matter of fact.
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I see where you are going.
I would segregate my safe as much as possible. Use bins, shelves, and dividers in order to organize all my pieces and parts. then wherever the rifle/shotgun/handgun goes, all the accessories associated with that firearm are with it. Color code if you desire.
For example: say you store your 870 shotgun. It goes in the slot labeled with green tape. All barrels for the shotgun also go in a slot with green tape. Any other spare parts go in a green bin. The Mossberg gets red. Your 1911 gets blue, and so on.
Ammunition is stored in surplus ammo cans and labeled.
Not sure if that helps, but it's what works for me.
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I see where you are going.
I would segregate my safe as much as possible. Use bins, shelves, and dividers in order to organize all my pieces and parts. then wherever the rifle/shotgun/handgun goes, all the accessories associated with that firearm are with it. Color code if you desire.
For example: say you store your 870 shotgun. It goes in the slot labeled with green tape. All barrels for the shotgun also go in a slot with green tape. Any other spare parts go in a green bin. The Mossberg gets red. Your 1911 gets blue, and so on.
Ammunition is stored in surplus ammo cans and labeled.
Not sure if that helps, but it's what works for me.
Sounds like a good a system. I wish I had that much room in my safes!
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I have decided to write up my plan and the thinking behind it. I will post it when I get done. Actually I am hoping that when Mr. Bane finishes his survival guns book that he keeps talking about he actually devotes a chapter or two to this kind of topic. After seeing the handgun content of his safe on a old episode of shooting galley I am sure that he has to have a system. Do you think i am giving him too much credit.
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I have decided to write up my plan and the thinking behind it. I will post it when I get done. Actually I am hoping that when Mr. Bane finishes his survival guns book that he keeps talking about he actually devotes a chapter or two to this kind of topic. After seeing the handgun content of his safe on a old episode of shooting galley I am sure that he has to have a system. Do you think i am giving him too much credit.
Credit? Not at all, he is a fine writer and knows his stuff.
The timeline for getting the next book published, however . . . . . . . . ??? ::) :o
;D