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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: philw on October 03, 2011, 06:48:37 AM
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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/02/business/wall-street-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
New York (CNN) -- A spirited and leaderless protest in the Wall Street section of New York has entered its third week, helping to inspire a growing number of demonstrations united in their passion if not necessarily their reasons for hitting the streets.
The hub of the movement, in Lower Manhattan, was abuzz with activity on Sunday as activists continued to vent their frustrations with everything from "corporate greed" to high gas prices to insufficient health insurance.
No single group or person heads the effort, which has adopted the name "Occupy Wall Street." While a "general assembly" is held daily for those gathered -- be it for a few short hours or by camping out long-term -- to discuss the goings-on and work toward a common mission, the stances being touted currently are diverse.
"We've gathered here in this place ... to shape a statement of what it is we want, and how we're going to get to it," said Robert Segal, one of the New York protesters.
The lack of coherent message has not stopped similar efforts from popping up elsewhere in the United States.
"Occupy Chicago," for instance, entered its 10th day on Sunday, a day after an associated website touted "a huge afternoon march."
The motto atop a website for "Occupy Los Angeles," which kicked off Saturday with a march from Pershing Square to City Hall, reads: "The revolution is happening ... It's just not in the news."
Wall Street protests enter week 3 Hundreds arrested in Wall St. protest
There are 34 organizations -- from unions to ethnic organizations to activist groups focused on everything from foreclosure prevention to climate change to justice-related issues -- listed as being involved in a like-minded activist coalition in Boston. This group, which held a festival and march Friday and Saturday and has explicitly targeted Bank of America in recent weeks, states on its website that its aim is to "stop their greed," "fight for an economy that works for all of us" and "build cities that are democratic, just and sustainable."
The website of Seattle demonstrators describes the nationwide effort as "a leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions."
"The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%," the statement continues, referring to what it sees as a sharp divide between the wealthiest Americans and the rest of society.
Most demonstrations thus far have been peaceful and uneventful, though in a few cases they have led to numerous arrests.
The most high-profile such incident came Saturday, when New York police arrested more than 700 protesters who had occupied the iconic Brooklyn Bridge. They were cited for blocking the roadway, authorities said, and eventually released after being given tickets.
The confrontation came as protesters along the road banged drums and chanted, "The whole world is watching" as police moved in.
Paul J. Browne, the deputy commissioner for the New York City Police Department, said they were given "multiple warnings" to stay on the pedestrian walkway and not the main roadway. The incident led to a shutdown of Manhattan-to-Brooklyn bridge traffic for several hours.
Demonstrators have said they take their inspiration from the Arab Spring protests that swept through Africa and the Middle East this year.
The protest campaign -- which uses the hashtag #occupywallstreet on the microblogging site Twitter -- began in July with the launch of a simple campaign website calling for a march and a sit-in at the New York Stock Exchange.
It has gained steam since early September, with crowds taking up residence in a park in New York's financial district and calling for 20,000 people to flood the area for a "few months." In recent weeks, the New York demonstrators have addressed various issues, including police brutality, union busting and the economy.
Could we see another massive Egypt style revolt in the making?
Record unemployment
Rising gas prices
Jobs being sent overseas
Trillion dollar taxpayer bailouts
Massive bank collapses — yet noone has gone to jail over it
Obama – The man people thought could change everything, now on his 3rd year.... and what has he really changed...
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I think it's naive for CNN to say, 'No single group or person heads the effort, " While perhaps one no has stepped forward to take leadership, it certainly is being promoted and perhaps directed from behind the scenes. MoreOn.Org has sent several email encouraging support (if not direct participation) in this "event".
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They're trying to make it sound like it's a spontaneous grass-roots movement, instead of the highly organized, promoted and financed theater it really is.
CNN is just following orders.
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saw this posted somewhere else
http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
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http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-protesters-call-totalitarian-government-re-election-of-obama/ (http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-protesters-call-totalitarian-government-re-election-of-obama/)
Despite their honest intentions, many of the Occupy Wall Street protesters are being suckered into a trap and calling for the very “solutions” that are part of the financial elite’s agenda to torpedo the American middle class – higher taxes and more big government.
The ignorance displayed in these interviews knows no bounds. The protesters just don’t get it. They are calling for the government to use force to impose their ideas, all in the name of bringing down corporations who they don’t realize have completely bought off government regulators. Corporations and government enjoy a mutually beneficial relationship – getting one to regulate the other is asinine and only hurts smaller businesses who are legitimately trying to compete in a free market economy that barely exists.
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http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/2011/10/occupy-boston-protestors-march-through-downtown-boston/UbKPQupUEKS6wuuMlSgHpI/index.html
About 100 people are marching through downtown Boston this morning as part of the Occupy Boston protest.
Accompanied by Boston Police officers who stopped traffic at key intersections, the protesters first gathered in the city’s Financial District this morning and then marched to the State House where they stood on the steps, chanting slogans and holding signs.
Some of the signs included “capitalism is organized crime” and “where’s my golden parachute?”
Most of the protesters appeared to be in their 20s. As they walked through the streets they called out to passersby.
“We are the 99 percent,” one group would shout.
“So are you,’’ another group shouted in response.
During the walk, a handful of people apparently heading to work, briefly joined the protest. One woman handed over to the marchers the cookies she had made for co-workers.
The group, called Occupy Boston , is inspired by Occupy Wall Street, a demonstration entering its third week in Manhattan’s Financial District that led to the arrest of 700 people Saturday on charges of blocking the Brooklyn Bridge. The effort has spread to dozens of communities nationwide, with tens of thousands of people participating.
In Boston, the protests had been building for several days, and on Friday swelled to about 1,000 in Dewey Square. Police arrested 24 people on trespassing charges when they refused to leave the Bank of America building nearby.
The demonstration, largely fueled by social media, is aimed at calling attention to what protesters call the ‘‘bottom 99 percent’’ of America who are hammered by rising costs for education, housing, and health care.
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The big problem is that "Capitalists" are not to blame for our situation.
The cause is the Govt trying to implement the same theories of "Command economics" that lead to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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College kids who been brainwashed into thinking that making a profit is illegal by their professors!
Top down, bottom up movement orchestrated by radical libs in Govt using the easily swayed minds of the misinformed.
I have no problem with the rich, some may have fallen into their wealth but, I believe for the most part, they've worked hard for what they have. It's funny how many of the Hollywood elite support this crap considering that without the technology required to make their films/TV and other projects, they'd just be a bunch of insecure, unemployed douche bags unable to make their own beds.
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These people need to ask themselves, "When was the last time a poor person gave you a job ?"
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These people need to ask themselves, "When was the last time a poor person gave you a job ?"
stolen !! ;D
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The definition of "useful idiots" in action.
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There is one of these "Occupy" demonstrations scheduled for this Friday in downtown Minneapolis. The location is right across the street from where I work. My office cube overlooks the area of the demonstration. I need to review an episode or two of Best Defense - Survival.
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These people need to ask themselves, "When was the last time a poor person gave you a job ?"
for 3 years straight, I had employees that made more money then I did as a contrctor. Granted I was not exactly poor, but my hourly rate had to have been in the single digits. They were also very highly paid,( about $10/hr over union scale and $15/hr over the going rate) but they busted thier ass and earned every penny they made, if they didn't they knew they were getting a pink slip.
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for 3 years straight, I had employees that made more money then I did as a contrctor. Granted I was not exactly poor, but my hourly rate had to have been in the single digits. They were also very highly paid,( about $10/hr over union scale and $15/hr over the going rate) but they busted thier ass and earned every penny they made, if they didn't they knew they were getting a pink slip.
Yeah alot of poor people hvae to pay $7000 in taxes for just one quater.
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personal taxs are nothing, payroll taxs are what hurts. Not only do you have to give them the withholdings, but thier are addional charges on top of that.
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Its posts like these and others that show you are out of touch. with the average person. Such as now, you want to act like your a poor guy giveing someone a job because that goeas against the others ideas but you just recently had a post bitching about paying $7000 in taxes in just one quater. So are you the poor guy giveing somone a job or the rich guy whining about paying taxes?
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Yeah, TAB, we all know how taxes work. Thanks. ::)
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/seius-stephen-lerner-invokes-bill-ayers-days-of-rage-to-take-down-wall-street-this-september/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/seius-stephen-lerner-invokes-bill-ayers-days-of-rage-to-take-down-wall-street-this-september/)
FTA: "Who Is Behind the ‘US Day of Rage’ to ‘Occupy’ Wall Street this September 17th?
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:20am by Tiffany Gabbay Tiffany Gabbay
What, exactly, is a “US Day of Rage?” Well, on September 17th we may find out for certain, but until then, The Blaze is revealing what information does exist about this very nefarious-sounding campaign.
A US Day of Rage is the title given to a day of ostensibly “non-violent” civil disobedience orchestrated by a group of radicals — that reportedly include SEIU’s Stephen Lerner and ACORN founder Wade Rathke (who, coincidentally, formerly served as president of SEIU’s local New Orleans branch) — targeting Wall Street and U.S. capitalism. It’s worth noting that the title of the movement — if its intentions are indeed non-violent in nature — appears to contradict itself slightly.
But what is perhaps even more interesting than its title is who is allegedly behind the movement.
You may recall that back in March The Blaze exposed Lerner for stating his aspirations to destroy JP Morgan Chase and cause the collapse of the entire stock market.
Now, the US Day of Rage protests, staged by a collective of activist groups allegedly in conjunction with Lerner and Rathke, are planning the actual “occupation” of Wall Street September 17, complete with a tent city set smack-dab in the middle of Manhattan’s financial district. Similar protests are purportedly set to take place across the nation — and even world — at the same time. Some Day of Rage organizers are even calling on activists to squat in Manhattan’s financial district for months at a time."
It was known as far back as July, if not earlier, that Lerner, Rathke, et al. were planning on taking down Wall Street. More at the link, highlights above mine.
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Yeah, TAB, we all know how taxes work. Thanks. ::)
Actually most people have no clue. Nor do they know about the addional costs
Back to the OP -
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/seius-stephen-lerner-invokes-bill-ayers-days-of-rage-to-take-down-wall-street-this-september/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/seius-stephen-lerner-invokes-bill-ayers-days-of-rage-to-take-down-wall-street-this-september/)
FTA: "Who Is Behind the ‘US Day of Rage’ to ‘Occupy’ Wall Street this September 17th?
Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:20am by Tiffany Gabbay Tiffany Gabbay
What, exactly, is a “US Day of Rage?” Well, on September 17th we may find out for certain, but until then, The Blaze is revealing what information does exist about this very nefarious-sounding campaign.
A US Day of Rage is the title given to a day of ostensibly “non-violent” civil disobedience orchestrated by a group of radicals — that reportedly include SEIU’s Stephen Lerner and ACORN founder Wade Rathke (who, coincidentally, formerly served as president of SEIU’s local New Orleans branch) — targeting Wall Street and U.S. capitalism. It’s worth noting that the title of the movement — if its intentions are indeed non-violent in nature — appears to contradict itself slightly.
But what is perhaps even more interesting than its title is who is allegedly behind the movement.
You may recall that back in March The Blaze exposed Lerner for stating his aspirations to destroy JP Morgan Chase and cause the collapse of the entire stock market.
Now, the US Day of Rage protests, staged by a collective of activist groups allegedly in conjunction with Lerner and Rathke, are planning the actual “occupation” of Wall Street September 17, complete with a tent city set smack-dab in the middle of Manhattan’s financial district. Similar protests are purportedly set to take place across the nation — and even world — at the same time. Some Day of Rage organizers are even calling on activists to squat in Manhattan’s financial district for months at a time."
It was known as far back as July, if not earlier, that Lerner, Rathke, et al. were planning on taking down Wall Street. More at the link, highlights above mine.
btw have you seen the list of demands?
Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Demand four: Free college education.
Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
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Oh. If they want communism, lets put them on a boat to China.
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Where exactly do they think the money for all this is going to come from? Oh, that's right, the evil rich. Silly me.
My favorite: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
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Where exactly do they think the money for all this is going to come from? Oh, that's right, the evil rich. Silly me.
My favorite:
So, the first thing they want to do when they have all the worlds debts removed is lay new debt on the workers to pay the ones who don't?
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Was it Margaret Thatcher that said "...eventually you run out of other people's money."
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The ignorance displayed in these interviews knows no bounds. The protesters just don’t get it.
Who is passing out the stupid pills to these idiots? I've never heard such foolishness in my life. They act like drug crazed hippies without the drugs. It all comes natural for them. All you have to do is look at 90% of them, and it's painfully evident why they don't have a job. If they're organized by someone or some group, what the hell did they tell them? "I'll park the bus, you run over there and call them a$$holes!" Bill T.
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You guys are thinking like normal, rational, republican (small r) types. You are not thinking like these statists.
The demands were never ever intended to be met, they are purposely over the top and completely asinine. They are intended to make one side (ours) look like insensitive and obstinate assholes for not capitulating - after all, who can argue with a "living wage" or "health care".
No, these wankers like Lerner are out to destroy us, destroy this country and everything it has ever stood for. Why? Who knows what compels these brainless but uber-intelligent people. It sure ain't reason or real human intelligence. Maybe they were dropped on their heads as babies?
Apropos of absolutely nothing, I need to go find that thread where someone talked about "people just needed killing" being a bad thing. I'm not sure I read that right. >:(
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It reminds me of when the Republican convention was in New York. A busload of protesters pulled up outside Fox News and started marching. They sent a reporter out to ask what they were protesting and one of them told him "They haven't told us yet."
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Maybe they were dropped on their heads as babies?
I didn't know that many Pediatricians could have slippery hands. Bill T.
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It's Marxist theory.
We are seeing the final stages of the communist take over of the US.
Remember how GM was stolen and given to the UAW ?
It's called "placing the means of production in the hands of the worker's and peasants".
What it really means is the Party faithful, in this case Union bosses, make a killing while the rest of us get screwed.
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It's Marxist theory.
We are seeing the final stages of the communist take over of the US.
I would say they still have a long way to go to "take over". The problem with these types is as always. Rats and cockroaches breed faster than Thoroughbred race horses, or seeing eye dogs. Bill T.
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A relevant quote about those greedy capitalists that a friend just posted on FB.
Is it really true that political self-interest is nobler somehow than economic self-interest? - Milton Friedman
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http://news.yahoo.com/unions-lend-muscle-resources-wall-st-protests-070702582.html
NEW YORK (AP) — Unions lent their muscle to the long-running protest against Wall Street and economic inequality Wednesday, fueling speculation about how long the camp-out in lower Manhattan — and related demonstrations around the country — will continue.
Thousands of protesters, including many in union T-shirts, filled lower Manhattan's Foley Square on Wednesday and then marched to Zuccotti Park, where the protesters have been camping since Sept. 17. Labor leaders say they will continue to support the protests, both with manpower and donations of goods and services.
"The great thing about Occupy Wall Street is that they have brought the focus of the entire country on the middle class majority," said George Aldro, 62, a member of Local 2325 of the United Auto Workers, as he carried the union's blue flag over his shoulder through lower Manhattan.
"We're in it together, and we're in it for the long haul."
The protesters have varied causes but have spoken largely about unemployment and economic inequality, reserving most of their criticism for Wall Street. "We are the 99 percent," they chanted, contrasting themselves with the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans.
Ed Figueroa, a janitor in a public school in the Bronx and a shop steward with Local 32BJ of the Service Employees International Union, said the march was "the first time in these weeks that unions have shown their face."
"But it won't be the last time," he said. "We'll be back."
The unions were donating food, blankets and office space to the protesters, said Dan Cantor, head of the Working Families Party. But he said the young protesters would continue to head their own efforts. The movement lacks an identified leader and decisions are made during group meetings.
"They're giving more to us than we're giving to them. They're a shot in the arm to everybody," Cantor said.
"The labor movement is following the youth of America today and that's a good thing."
Victor Rivera, a vice-president for the powerful 1199 Service Employees International Union, which represents health care workers, said the union had donated "all the food they need for this entire week" to the Zuccotti Park campers. Union leaders had also assigned liaisons from their political action committee to work with demonstrators.
"We are here to support this movement against Wall Street's greed," he said. "We support the idea that the rich should pay their fair share."
Late Wednesday, some demonstrators marched toward the New York Stock Exchange but were stopped by police about two blocks away. Police said about 28 arrests were made, mostly for disorderly conduct. One person was arrested for assaulting an officer; police said the officer was pushed off his scooter.
The Occupy Wall Street protests started Sept. 17 with a few dozen demonstrators who tried to pitch tents in front of the New York Stock Exchange. Since then, hundreds have set up camp nearby in Zuccotti Park and have become increasingly organized, lining up medical aid and legal help and printing their own newspaper.
On Saturday, about 700 people were arrested and given disorderly conduct summonses for spilling into the roadway of the Brooklyn Bridge despite warnings from police. A group of those arrested filed a lawsuit Tuesday, saying officers lured them into a trap before arresting them.
Several Democratic lawmakers have expressed support for the protesters, but some Republican presidential candidates have rebuked them. Herman Cain called the activists "un-American" Wednesday at a book signing in St. Petersburg, Florida.
"They're basically saying that somehow the government is supposed to take from those that have succeeded and give to those who want to protest," the former pizza-company executive said. "That's not the way America was built."
On Tuesday, CBS reported that former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney called the protest "class warfare" at an appearance at a Florida retirement community.
Activists have been showing solidarity with the movement in many cities: Occupy Providence. Occupy Los Angeles. Occupy Boise. More protests and sit-ins are planned across the country in the days ahead.
On Wednesday, more than 100 people withstood an afternoon downpour in Idaho's capital to protest, including Judy Taylor, a retired property manager.
"I want change. I'm tired of things being taken away from those that need help," she said.
In Seattle, demonstrators tussled with police officers and clung to tents as they defied orders to leave a park. Police said they made 25 arrests. The reception was warmer in Los Angeles, where the City Council approved a resolution of support and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa's office distributed 100 rain ponchos to activists at another days-long demonstration, according to City News Service.
In Boston, hundreds of nurses and Northeastern University students rallied together to condemn what they called corporate control of government and the spiraling costs of education. The students banged on drums made of water jugs and chanted, "Banks got bailed out, and we got sold out."
"This is an organic process. This is a process of grassroots people coming together. It's a beautiful thing," said David Schildmeier, spokesman for the Massachusetts Nurses Association.
Many of those protesting are college students. Hundreds walked out of classes in New York, some in a show of solidarity for the Wall Street movement but many more concerned with worries closer to home. Protests were scheduled at State University of New York campuses including Albany, Buffalo, Binghamton, New Paltz and Purchase.
Danielle Kingsbury, a 21-year-old senior from New Paltz, said she walked out of an American literature class to show support for some of her professors who she said have had their workloads increased because of budget cuts.
"The state of education in our country is ridiculous," said Kingsbury, who plans to teach. "The state doesn't care about it and we need to fight back about that."
2 comments, first, you don't see Tea Party people getting arrested because they are not liberals, they respect the rule of law, they also clean up after themselves.
Second, you will notice that this is all BO's cronies . The ones who have already made a killing off this regime, SEIU got billions and UAW got GM.
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FTA:
"The labor movement is following the youth of America today and that's a good thing."
If they all have jobs in labor somewhere, where do they find the time to protest? I mean HEY the carts are piling up in the wal-mart parking lot. ::)
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FTA: "The labor movement is following the youth of America today and that's a good thing."
The labor "movement" is following a bunch of idiots today that have all become victims of their own stupid ideology. These people have chosen to embrace a system that, much like themselves, has failed everywhere it has been applied. You cannot legislate prosperity. They need to worry less about ideology and more about simple arithmetic. You don't create wealth by dividing it. They know this but won't admit to that fact. So instead rather than risk being self reliant idiots who cannot achieve prosperity on their own, they instead choose to turn to a government that will take it from someone else, and give it to them. Haves create wealth. Have nots create more have nots. Proof of this well forgotten fact, is this country is now broke and heavily into debt. Much like the protesters it is trying to support. This country is turning into an over sized animal shelter without enough donors.
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When did it stop being taught that if you want something, you go out and you work your butt off and you earn it? Also when did it stop being embarrassing to stand there with your hand out? I know I'm young, but WTF? It wasn't like this when I was a kid.
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The " labor movement" is nothing but a front for Marxist subversion.
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When did it stop being taught that if you want something, you go out and you work your butt off and you earn it?
When this country was stupid enough to get behind our current ass hat of a President. Telling the youth of America it's better to get wealth from someone else, as a direct of his failed policies to, "spread it around", as opposed to relying on yourself to become wealthy. Instead of admiring the wealthy and trying to emulate them, today's young crowd are taught they are the enemy, and want them destroyed. Talk about killing the host. If they succeed then who's fault will it be?
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The 'Idealists" want the Garden of Eden back again.
They want an environment where it is always warm, always pleasant, where food it plentiful and there for the taking. Where their entire occupation can be to contemplate their navel (or what ever else they choose to contemplate) or the navel (or what ever else they choose to contemplate) of the attractive partner with whom they are spending time.
It is a wonderful Ideal. It is also not possible.
The fact THEY choose to ignore is that, in reality, someone has to work, struggle or fight for every bite of food or comfort that is obtained, and that if THEY don't work for it, someone else has to do the work for THEM and themselves too.
THEY have to know this, but it acknowledge it would be to destroy the "Ideal" and force a confrontation with reality.
THEY might not be basically evil, but they are wrong, and it should be fatally wrong if they fail to learn self reliance, but the means used to further the "Ideal" are evil.
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The " labor movement" is nothing but a front for Marxist subversion.
Which is EXACTLY what today's "entitlement" generation is all about!
Folks, it seems some parents have failed miserably at raising yesterday's youth!
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When this country was stupid enough to get behind our current ass hat of a President. Telling the youth of America it's better to get wealth from someone else, as a direct of his failed policies to, "spread it around", as opposed to relying on yourself to become wealthy. Instead of admiring the wealthy and trying to emulate them, today's young crowd are taught they are the enemy, and want them destroyed. Talk about killing the host. If they succeed then who's fault will it be?
You can't just blame this on Obama. The Socialists, Marxists, Communists, and Anarchists have been preparing the ground work, slowly subverting American values since at least the late 1800's.
I keep repeating, we lost the cold war because when our troops were deployed on the Fulda Gap they should have been in Berkley.
The Cold war was not between Russia and the US. Where does Red China fit into that ?
The Cold war was a borderless conflict between the ideas of Capitalism and personal liberty on one side, and the Socialist command economy Nannie state on the other.
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You can't just blame this on Obama. The Socialists, Marxists, Communists, and Anarchists have been preparing the ground work, slowly subverting American values since at least the late 1800's.
McCarthy was vilified and made fun of, yet recently unclassified documents show the State Department was riddled with not just communist/socialist sympathizers but people on Stalin's payroll.
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McCarthy was vilified and made fun of, yet recently unclassified documents show the State Department was riddled with not just communist/socialist sympathizers but people on Stalin's payroll.
Exactly ! He claimed to know of "100" people who's communist affiliations made them a threat to national Security considering the Govt. jobs they held. Declassified KGB documents identify over 300 code named Soviet assets in the FDR and Truman administrations, including at least 2 with Oval office access, Harry Dexter White, and Laughlin Curry.
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You can't just blame this on Obama. The Socialists, Marxists, Communists, and Anarchists have been preparing the ground work, slowly subverting American values since at least the late 1800's.
I place the bulk of the blame on this nations liberal, socialist college structure, which has been pumping the brains of our young people full of this kind of stupid, fruitless ideology for the last half century or more. In the 60's it was no different except the kids had more sense. Sure, they tried "Making love and not war", along with, "Tuning in, turning on, and dropping out." The problem was after 15 minutes of living in a commune, they discovered it was better to actually work for a living and keep your own stuff, instead of being forced to share it all with a bunch of lazy, worthless a$$holes. They proved to themselves the system they were preached to about how wonderful it was, in actuality wasn't worth a damn when applied.
Today the kids are graduating dumber, and follow along like Lemmings swimming out to sea. They have example after example throughout Europe, of how this type of government won't work, but they don't care. They listen to these morons who preach this kind of nonsense, and are willing to march lock step right off the proverbial cliff trying to make it happen. It is all but unbelievable the total lack of common sense they don't possess. They are taught Capitalism is evil, along with the productive who have earned a good living from applying it. They feel the "Robin Hood Principal" should be applied. Take from the haves, and give to the idiot have nots. The have nots will then produce more have nots, because most know how to only screw and eat.
You wouldn't feed the cockroaches in your kitchen if they showed up. Yet these young Wall St. whiners want to reward the losers, and punish the winners of society. Their brains are running in reverse. They elected an idiot who proved how lousy the whole system is, along with how it's set up to fail. But none of them see the error that is starring them in the face. They keep wanting to grab the $h!t end of the stick. They've been "educated" to like the feel, along with the smell of it.
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I place the bulk of the blame on this nations liberal, socialist college structure, which has been pumping the brains of our young people full of this kind of stupid, fruitless ideology for the last half century or more. In the 60's it was no different except the kids had more sense. Sure, they tried "Making love and not war", along with, "Tuning in, turning on, and dropping out." The problem was after 15 minutes of living in a commune, they discovered it was better to actually work for a living and keep your own stuff, instead of being forced to share it all with a bunch of lazy, worthless a$$holes. They proved to themselves the system they were preached to about how wonderful it was, in actuality wasn't worth a damn when applied.
Today the kids are graduating dumber, and follow along like Lemmings swimming out to sea. They have example after example throughout Europe, of how this type of government won't work, but they don't care. They listen to these morons who preach this kind of nonsense, and are willing to march lock step right off the proverbial cliff trying to make it happen. It is all but unbelievable the total lack of common sense they don't possess. They are taught Capitalism is evil, along with the productive who have earned a good living from applying it. They feel the "Robin Hood Principal" should be applied. Take from the haves, and give to the idiot have nots. The have nots will then produce more have nots, because most know how to only screw and eat.
You wouldn't feed the cockroaches in your kitchen if they showed up. Yet these young Wall St. whiners want to reward the losers, and punish the winners of society. Their brains are running in reverse. They elected an idiot who proved how lousy the whole system is, along with how it's set up to fail. But none of them see the error that is starring them in the face. They keep wanting to grab the $h!t end of the stick. They've been "educated" to like the feel, along with the smell of it.
Eloquent!
And except for a picky possible double negative, perfect.
Double Negative or Catchy Phrasing?
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I place the bulk of the blame on this nations liberal, socialist college structure, which has been pumping the brains of our young people full of this kind of stupid, fruitless ideology for the last half century or more. In the 60's it was no different except the kids had more sense. Sure, they tried "Making love and not war", along with, "Tuning in, turning on, and dropping out." The problem was after 15 minutes of living in a commune, they discovered it was better to actually work for a living and keep your own stuff, instead of being forced to share it all with a bunch of lazy, worthless a$$holes. They proved to themselves the system they were preached to about how wonderful it was, in actuality wasn't worth a damn when applied.
Today the kids are graduating dumber, and follow along like Lemmings swimming out to sea. They have example after example throughout Europe, of how this type of government won't work, but they don't care. They listen to these morons who preach this kind of nonsense, and are willing to march lock step right off the proverbial cliff trying to make it happen. It is all but unbelievable the total lack of common sense they don't possess. They are taught Capitalism is evil, along with the productive who have earned a good living from applying it. They feel the "Robin Hood Principal" should be applied. Take from the haves, and give to the idiot have nots. The have nots will then produce more have nots, because most know how to only screw and eat.
You wouldn't feed the cockroaches in your kitchen if they showed up. Yet these young Wall St. whiners want to reward the losers, and punish the winners of society. Their brains are running in reverse. They elected an idiot who proved how lousy the whole system is, along with how it's set up to fail. But none of them see the error that is starring them in the face. They keep wanting to grab the $h!t end of the stick. They've been "educated" to like the feel, along with the smell of it.
I only read the first line.
That pretty much nailed it, Lenin and Stalin both said "Give us the children for 8 years and they will be communists for life".
If you look into the Red Scares of the 30's you will notice many of the accused were college professors.
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you can take a kid under 8 and convert them to anything you want.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/11/wall-street-protesters-plan-millionaires-march-to-tycoons-new-york-city-homes/
This is only going to get more violent. These idiots are going to wind up getting shot if they're not careful. I've never seen a bigger bunch of total dopes assembled in my entire life. Check out the sign the middle one is carrying. Why doesn't she march on the White House? That's where the guy lives she voted for. Idiots all.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/11/wall-street-protesters-plan-millionaires-march-to-tycoons-new-york-city-homes/
This is only going to get more violent. These idiots are going to wind up getting shot if they're not careful. I've never seen a bigger bunch of total dopes assembled in my entire life. Check out the sign the middle one is carrying. Why doesn't she march on the White House? That's where the guy lives she voted for. Idiots all.
The one on the far left (How ironic is that ? ;D ) has a sign that says "Not a jobless anarchist", If that's the case then why wasn't he at work Monday when the photo was taken ?
I'm just hoping a violent reaction will set in that allows real Americans to hunt down and kill their local "progressives".
After all, "All politics are local", and "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun".
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The one on the far left (How ironic is that ? ;D ) has a sign that says "Not a jobless anarchist", If that's the case then why wasn't he at work Monday when the photo was taken ?
I'm just hoping a violent reaction will set in that allows real Americans to hunt down and kill their local "progressives".
After all, "All politics are local", and "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun".
Well, he's not a Jobless Anarchist because he is a Jobless Leach. An Anarchist is too independent and self-sufficient to be waving a sign in a mass protest.
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Well, he's not a Jobless Anarchist because he is a Jobless Leach. An Anarchist is too independent and self-sufficient to be waving a sign in a mass protest.
True, they prefer spraying graffiti and rioting.
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Either way he still needs a sign to identify himself as such, so there must be something to suggest that he is what he says he's not.
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After all, "All politics are local", and "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun".
As the late Al Capone once said, "You can get farther with a kind word and a gun, than you can with just a kind word." True then, truer now.
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What worries me the most about this whole thing is this:
Most of these "protests" are being led by a bunch of older, radicalized, people that truly believe that communism is the way to go (even if most of them would probably deny that they are advocating communism) The rest are the lemmings that don't know ant better.
If it does get violent, we'd be defending the very people that caused all of this crap, although we'd be defending the Constitution, not the people. We've been trying to find a way to fix it from the inside instead of actively trying to overthrow it. These knuckleheads are actually looking to make it all go away.
The news here (DC) had a piece on the one here getting thier permit extended and a handful of the people had "Capitalism is dead" buttons/shirts. Then there is this I saw on Fox News yesterday:
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Another demonstrator spoke out to say that while he respects Lewis' contribution to society, the protesters were trying to start "a democratic process in which no singular human being is inherently more valuable than any other human being."
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But it was not to be. Another person shouted: "John Lewis is not better than anyone! Democracy won!"
The leader closed by restating the rules. "This group makes its decisions by consensus. We do not have a consensus," he said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/10/occupy-atlanta-protesters-use-assembly-rules-to-prevent-rep-lewis-from-speaking/#ixzz1aUZg8yX8 (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/10/occupy-atlanta-protesters-use-assembly-rules-to-prevent-rep-lewis-from-speaking/#ixzz1aUZg8yX8)
It made my skin crawl.
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This will end the same here as it has in many foreign countries in the past. Through extreme violence. There simply is no other way. Liberals hate guns, while conservatives love them. Want to bet on the winner?
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Funny thing, they are protesting wall street, but the people that work there are not the ones causing the problems they are railing against. I have investments, and I play the market. So what? Does that make me an evil person who is oppressing someone else? It simply means that I am taking risk in order to better my life. The people on wall street are doing the same thing. I don't have the resources to manipulate the market. Government and people like George Soros do. But these clowns are too narrow minded to see that.
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No matter how you look at this it is all based on the haves vs. the have nots. Always has been, and always will be. The first thing the have nots do is blame the haves for their shortcomings. They cannot achieve financial success on their own. So instead of admitting it is they who are coming up short, they blame someone else. In this case it is always the haves, who they believe have "stolen" their slice of the pie.
No one has "stolen" a thing from them. They are worthless, lazy and stupid. Not everyone succeeds in a capitalistic society, which is why they hate it, and want it done away with. If you're a dumb ass in school, the first thing you want is a teacher who "grades on a curve", because it will make you look smarter than you really are. These people are the same. They just want the financial playing field to be more "on a curve" so they'll have more than they deserve. Just like the dumb kid in class who doesn't look so dumb after the curve has been applied to his grade. The problem is in order to accomplish this you have to knock the really smart kid down several pegs in order to falsely elevate the dumb ass.
These people are totally pathetic. They have no self pride, and or work ethic. All they can do is bitch and moan for someone else to give them something. This is what liberalism teaches. Laziness that comes from the fact they believe you shouldn't be punished for being stupid and non productive. It never works and never will. They prove their total stupidity by continually trying to make a bad idea good. All they do is define insanity in the process.