The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: jnevis on October 26, 2011, 10:58:57 AM
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The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group, is playing a key role in the self-proclaimed “leaderless” Occupy Wall Street movement, organizing “guerrilla” protest events and hiring door-to-door canvassers to collect money under the banner of various causes while spending it on protest-related activities, sources tell FoxNews.com.
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NYCC’s connection to ACORN isn’t a tenuous one: It works from the former ACORN offices in Brooklyn, uses old ACORN office stationery, employs much of the old ACORN staff and, according to several sources, engages in some of the old organization’s controversial techniques to raise money, interest and awareness for the protests.
Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day - to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.
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Multiple sources said NYCC is also using cash donations through canvassing efforts in New York’s Harlem and Washington Heights neighborhoods for union-backed campaigns to fund the Wall Street protests.
“All the money collected from canvasses is pooled together back at the office, and everything we’ve been working on for the last year is going to the protests, against big banks and to pay people’s salaries—and those people on salary are, of course, being paid to go to the protests every day,” one NYCC staff member told FoxNews.com.
Those who contribute don't know the money is going to fund the protests, the source said.
“They give contributions because we say if they do we can fix things - whatever specific problem they’re having in their area, housing, schools, whatever ... then we spend the contributions paying staff to be at the protests all day, every day. That’s where these contributions - the community’s money – is going,” the source said.
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“What people don’t understand is that ACORN is behind this — and that this, what’s happening now, is all part of the May 12 and Beyond May 12 plans to go after the banks, Chase in particular,” a source said.
Sources said NYCC was a key player behind a series of recent Occupy Wall Street events, including the Oct. 11 Millionaires March, which brought protests and union and community groups on walking tours of Upper East Side homes of wealthy New Yorkers; and the launch of the “Occupy the Boardroom” website, registered to Kest, which encouraged protesters to contact high-profile bankers, among others.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/exclusive-acorn-playing-behind-scenes-role-in-occupy-movement/#ixzz1bu4gmZRa (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/exclusive-acorn-playing-behind-scenes-role-in-occupy-movement/#ixzz1bu4gmZRa)
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And we thought the Occupiers didn't have jobs.....
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This is my shocked - shocked I tell you! - face. . . . . .
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Well, really, nobody should be shocked that a left-of-center organization is expressing support for and trying to help a left-of-center protest movement. The surprising thing would be if it weren't.
But to jump from that to a conclusion that ACORN is not only in support of, but somehow "behind" the Occupy movement, so that without ACORN's support the movement wouldn't exist, is a leap of illogic.
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Well, really, nobody should be shocked that a left-of-center organization is expressing support for and trying to help a left-of-center protest movement. The surprising thing would be if it weren't.
But to jump from that to a conclusion that ACORN is not only in support of, but somehow "behind" the Occupy movement, so that without ACORN's support the movement wouldn't exist, is a leap of illogic.
No, it's a documented fact. Lerner of the SEIU and some wanker whose name I lost along the way but one of the original founders of ACORN planned the Occupy ___________ movement back in January/February. This was discussed in a number of threads, go look them up. Or search teh interw3bs with Lerner's name and "Occupy".
BTW, my "shocked" comment was heavily sarcastic! ;D
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Well, really, nobody should be shocked that a left-of-center organization is expressing support for and trying to help a left-of-center protest movement. The surprising thing would be if it weren't.
But to jump from that to a conclusion that ACORN is not only in support of, but somehow "behind" the Occupy movement, so that without ACORN's support the movement wouldn't exist, is a leap of illogic.
“What people don’t understand is that ACORN is behind this — and that this, what’s happening now, is all part of the May 12 and Beyond May 12 plans to go after the banks, Chase in particular,” a source said.
Not a big leap in that sentence if you ask me.
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All this is just an appetizer for next year's election....
Vote Early, Vote Often,...will take on a whole new meaning with ACORN involved....Frances Fox Piven has taught them well...
I am not predicting the dawn of global democracy or global socialism. What I am predicting is an era of turmoil and uncertainty.
The hungry and diseased mobs who terrified the burghers of late-medieval Europe were not enlightenment thinkers, nor are the suicide bombers thrust forward by a resurgent Islam.
Frances Fox Piven
Quite the cocktail, with the Saul Alinsky playbook in hand as well. I'm sure BHO's buddy Bill Ayers, and Jeremiah Wright are just waiting for the "chickens to come home to roost"...
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Rocasalami, This is where Path got the, "shocked I tell you!"
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But of course, and "round up the usual suspects".... ::)
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But of course, and "round up the usual suspects".... ::)
They're all occupying Wall Street. ::)
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Oh, their not socialists.
Their just like the Tea Party.
Yeah, right.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47941
John Hayward
Occupy San Diego Holds Communism Seminar
The continuing appeal of history’s worst idea.
by John Hayward
12/05/2011
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The San Diego chapter of the “Occupy Wall Street” movement has always been one of its more… colorful outposts. They’re the ones who held a moment of silence in solidarity with the guy who shot at the White House, after all. In the twilight of the Occupy saga, when only the hardcore crazies are left, places like San Diego are giving us a closer look at the “core beliefs” of the movement.
To that end, Occupy San Diego held a little seminar on the virtues of communism on Sunday. The fun begins about six minutes into the clip.
There are a few things to be learned here, besides the astonishing historical ignorance and poor critical thinking skills of the Occupiers. (Remember, a lot of these people are students.) The enduring romantic appeal of a heavily sanitized communism should not be underestimated. Communism and fascism were history’s worst ideas, but they experienced very different fates in the postwar era. Communism evaded the deep grave in which fascism was rightly buried in Western society, and is still credited with marvelous good intentions, not least because it promises to free gullible young people from material concerns… by robbing them blind.
Thus, when the introductory speaker in San Diego repeats the hoary old promises that communism “seeks to eliminate the conditions in which the majority of workers live only to increase capital to fulfill the interests of the ruling class,” and “under communism, society’s wealth would be used in the interests of the workers,” she’s making it sound like advanced Obamanomics.
Those ideas have not been discredited in the public mind, after causing a century of poverty and bloodshed, because Western academics will not allow them to be discredited. Instead of reviewing the grisly wreckage of communist dungeon states and examining why those glittering visions of “everyone sharing everything” lead directly to gulags and enforced starvation, they ask their students to forget about all the unpleasant “mistakes” of totalitarian rulers who didn’t really understand the true communist genius, and restore full faith and credit in the good intentions of an invariably brutal and squalid system.
Later, the featured speaker muses that under socialism and Marxism, “everybody has a say, and all working-class people run society.” Nothing could be further from the truth, and this delusion lies at the core of everything from the 80-proof Marxism sold at university lectures, to the white-lightning bathtub brew guzzled by the Occupiers… and the watered-down and focus-grouped socialism Barack Obama sells on a daily basis. These people are simply ignoring the staggering amount of compulsive force necessary to make collectivist systems function. The more “re-distributive” society becomes, the more force it must deploy against its people, and the less of a “say” they have in what occurs.
No amount of political activism, during the increasingly rare and ineffectual trips to the ballot box afforded under collectivist systems, can possibly replace the “say” working-class people exercise through the full ownership of their private property, and the accompanying economic liberty this provides. What a dismal cultural and educational failure it is, to see so many young people who not only fail to understand this, but believe their ignorance makes them morally superior. The Occupy Wall Street tragedy lies in its loss of appreciation for economic liberty, and the failure to appreciate that all other liberties ultimately spring from it, because if you own nothing, you can refuse nothing.
Of course, since their defining act is the forcible appropriation of property they don’t own, and the refusal to contribute to its maintenance and repair, that’s not really a surprise. The approval of compulsion for “righteous” ends is written into this movement’s DNA.
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“What people don’t understand is that ACORN is behind this — and that this, what’s happening now, is all part of the May 12 and Beyond May 12 plans to go after the banks, Chase in particular,” a source said.
Not a big leap in that sentence if you ask me.
Soros pulls the strings on both.. Follow the money.. It leads back to Soros through his tentacles...