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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: Solus on November 08, 2011, 04:35:47 PM
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Saw these offered at Brownell's. Anyone tried them?
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=42026/Product/AR-15-M16-60-100-ROUND-MAGAZINES?mc_ID=3057&sp_rid=MjM3MDQzNDM1NTMS1&sp_mid=3753491
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Funny, the military went with the 5.56 poodle shooter round to lower the weight caused by ammo but since the round is not a 'stopper' everyone wants to carry more ammo which does away with the whole 'weight' thing.
Build a decent caliber military weapon (.308 anyone?) and ya don't need to hit the guy 5 times to put him down.
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They might also be able to be used with the 300 BLK round?
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Barry Dueck (SureFire rep) had a couple at Ft Benning 3 gun match last year (2010), and talked to him at the sight in range, naturally his worked fine.... I shoot 30rd PMags that have been absolutely reliable, and save a welded DPMS 45rounder for the odd ball stage....I'm a game player, 30 is usually more than necessary
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$180.00 for stamped, sheet metal magazine?? ::)
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They're still $40 cheaper than a Beta C-Mag.
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I'd be worried about the follower binding where it necks down.
+10 to the Blackout, 5.56 casing, 308 bullet, only change is the barrel itself .
Whats not to love ? ;D
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I'd be worried about the follower binding where it necks down.
+10 to the Blackout, 5.56 casing, 308 bullet, only change is the barrel itself .
Whats not to love ? ;D
I'd worry that no bottle neck in the case might not work with the bottleneck in the magazine.
The taper in the mag might be spec'ed for the bottleneck in the case.
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I'd worry that no bottle neck in the case might not work with the bottleneck in the magazine.
The taper in the mag might be spec'ed for the bottleneck in the case.
It wouldn't matter, because the rear of the case has no bottleneck and it has to feed as well.
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I've got one of the 60rd surefire mags in my 300 blackout right now. I haven't run it on that rifle yet but have about 50 loadings of 5.56 through it. I got it from a buddy about 9 months ago, it was one of the early prototypes they gave to LEO/Military for evaluation. It's nice but I'm not dropping $120 on it. When they come down to about $75 where they should be I'll get a few more. I do like that it will fit in my double mag pouch much better than 2 mags do, much easier to get out. It weighs about the same as 2 loaded P-Mags but is slightly lighter than 2 loaded metal mags.
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I'd be worried about the follower binding where it necks down.
+10 to the Blackout, 5.56 casing, 308 bullet, only change is the barrel itself .
Whats not to love ? ;D
Read the info on it and they say they have a "nested follower" that handles that concern.
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Read the info on it and they say they have a "nested follower" that handles that concern.
Surefire makes good products. For what they're charging for that thing, it should run like a Rolex!
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They will (already have) sold them as fast as they can make them.
With the talk of the SAW going to 556, SF saw an opportunity to make a much more usable mag for the guys in the sandbox.
It fits the mag pouches they already have, cut the reload downtime in half, and (supposedly) run as well as a standard mag.
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They will (already have) sold them as fast as they can make them.
With the talk of the SAW going to 556, SF saw an opportunity to make a much more usable mag for the guys in the sandbox.
It fits the mag pouches they already have, cut the reload downtime in half, and (supposedly) run as well as a standard mag.
If you're talking the M249 Squad Auto Weapon, it's always been 5.56 Nato...
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Surefire makes good products. For what they're charging for that thing, it should run like include a Rolex!
FIFY ;D
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If you're talking the M249 Squad Auto Weapon, it's always been 5.56 Nato...
Sorry, I was thinking IAR mag fed AKA the HK416.
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Read some comments about why these would not be good for non-special weapons troops.
Only two made sense to me.
One was that the 100 rnd mag could not be used well prone because of length.
Another was that it would limit ammo sharing if your last 60 rounds was loaded, you had no mag to toss your buddy.
The rest seemed to be a matter of training....
Like one mentioned that if you did a tactical reload, you might be dropping 40 rounds instead of 10....sigh..I guess it is harder to keep count to 60...
And another was something about will all those round on board, over heating the barrel would be easier....
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Read some comments about why these would not be good for non-special weapons troops.
Only two made sense to me.
One was that the 100 rnd mag could not be used well prone because of length.
Another was that it would limit ammo sharing if your last 60 rounds was loaded, you had no mag to toss your buddy.
The rest seemed to be a matter of training....
Like one mentioned that if you did a tactical reload, you might be dropping 40 rounds instead of 10....sigh..I guess it is harder to keep count to 60...
And another was something about will all those round on board, over heating the barrel would be easier....
It can already be a problem with the 30 round mag.
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Yep. In basic training they gave us 20 round mags when we went to the range.
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It can already be a problem with the 30 round mag.
This is the whole thing with these big magazines. When I shoot AR's at the range I generally go with 20 round P-Mags because of the length, and also the fact I never shoot more than 10 shot strings. I don't like getting my barrel and other components that hot. A 10 shot, slow fire string will still allow me to keep my hand on the barrel after without burning it.
I know this doesn't matter to a lot of guys, but running a barrel smoking hot is the fastest way to shorten it's life, and destroy it's accuracy. In that regard these 60 and 100 round magazines are self defeating. I can possibly see them in combat supporting a full auto weapon, or to "just have one". But it isn't something I'd run on my weapons everyday at the range.
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This is the whole thing with these big magazines. When I shoot AR's at the range I generally go with 20 round P-Mags because of the length, and also the fact I never shoot more than 10 shot strings. I don't like getting my barrel and other components that hot. A 10 shot, slow fire string will still allow me to keep my hand on the barrel after without burning it.
I know this doesn't matter to a lot of guys, but running a barrel smoking hot is the fastest way to shorten it's life, and destroy it's accuracy. In that regard these 60 and 100 round magazines are self defeating. I can possibly see them in combat supporting a full auto weapon, or to "just have one". But it isn't something I'd run on my weapons everyday at the range.
The left brain agrees with you, the right can only think how kewl it would have been to have a 60 or 100 round magazine full of tracers at the night range on a brisk December evening in Germany when all the "pogs" went back to the bus after qualifying and chosing not to participate in the training. 3000 rounds, their weapons , full magazines and an order to burn up all the live ammo ;D
Most fun I had over there sober!
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This is the whole thing with these big magazines. When I shoot AR's at the range I generally go with 20 round P-Mags because of the length, and also the fact I never shoot more than 10 shot strings. I don't like getting my barrel and other components that hot. A 10 shot, slow fire string will still allow me to keep my hand on the barrel after without burning it.
I know this doesn't matter to a lot of guys, but running a barrel smoking hot is the fastest way to shorten it's life, and destroy it's accuracy. In that regard these 60 and 100 round magazines are self defeating. I can possibly see them in combat supporting a full auto weapon, or to "just have one". But it isn't something I'd run on my weapons everyday at the range.
Agreed. Of course, just because you have 60 rounds loaded doesn't mean you have to shoot them all as fast as you can.
I also agree that a 60 round mag at the range would only serve to make the weapon unwieldy to no purpose since you have all the time you would need to reload.
Even in a home defense situation it could be cumbersome where a loaded 20 and 2 spares should get most any job done.
It's use would be in a SHTF situation where you were defending a stronghold, or out at the range where you are practicing defending your stronghold ;D ;D
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FYI if anyone is looking for a deal on these JoeBob Outfitters (www.joeboboutfitters.com - good company with a kind of dumb name) has the 60rd model for $99.95 with free shipping. I've bought stuff from them before after I won a gift card for them on gear hog. They shipped fast and have some good prices on the stuff they carry.