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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: philw on November 10, 2011, 06:35:42 AM
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with in the last 2 weeks
we have lost 3, and just a day ago 3 more were injured by so called rouge ANA members
there was also a shooting earlier in the year with similar incident,
how are we meant to train them to look after them selves if they are trying kill our men and women of AFD??
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with in the last 2 weeks
we have lost 3, and just a day ago 3 more were injured by so called rouge ANA members
there was also a shooting earlier in the year with similar incident,
how are we meant to train them to look after them selves if they are trying kill our men and women of AFD??
Okay, I'll start the discussion. ANA, AFD, WTF? ??? ;)
FQ13
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Okay, I'll start the discussion. ANA, AFD, WTF? ??? ;)
FQ13
ADF Australian Defence Force
ANA Afghan National Army
FQ aren't you meant to be the edumicated one with all that uni learning?
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ADF Australian Defence Force
ANA Afghan National Army
FQ aren't you meant to be the edumicated one with all that uni learning?
Too many acronyms. I kind of liked the days when people actually spelled things out with real words. KWIM? ;)
FQ13
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Too many acronyms. I kind of liked the days when people actually spelled things out with real words. KWIM? ;)
FQ13
tomatato; tomatah...let's just call the whole thing off XD
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with in the last 2 weeks
we have lost 3, and just a day ago 3 more were injured by so called rouge ANA members
there was also a shooting earlier in the year with similar incident,
how are we meant to train them to look after them selves if they are trying kill our men and women of AFD??
There in lies the problem with Afghan and Iraqi security forces/military. They need people so they'll look the other way on certain "indescretions." Then you add to it that no one over there identifies themselves as Afghan, Iraqi, or Suadi. It's tribe, sect, province, THEN country. Now you have guys from opposing tribes or sects in the same unit and they hate eachother enough to go blasting around the compound at each other. No concern for who's in the crossfire. Oh BTW, the Taliban, Iran, and any one of a number of other insurgent groups are more than happy to plant people into the security forces to wreak havoc.
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Oh BTW, the Taliban, Iran, and any one of a number of other insurgent groups are more than happy to plant people into the security forces to wreak havoc.
That's the biggest understatement of the year.
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Oh BTW, the Taliban, Iran, and any one of a number of other insurgent groups are more than happy to plant people into the security forces to wreak havoc.
Or women teachers in girls only schools, female sucide bomber groups....Wait that was the last NCIS.... But still it shows what extents they are percieved to go to.
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There in lies the problem with Afghan and Iraqi security forces/military. They need people so they'll look the other way on certain "indescretions." Then you add to it that no one over there identifies themselves as Afghan, Iraqi, or Suadi. It's tribe, sect, province, THEN country. Now you have guys from opposing tribes or sects in the same unit and they hate eachother enough to go blasting around the compound at each other. No concern for who's in the crossfire. Oh BTW, the Taliban, Iran, and any one of a number of other insurgent groups are more than happy to plant people into the security forces to wreak havoc.
We have seen the same thing here in Police Depts. NY and Miami both suffered major corruption scandals due to volume based hiring.
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Or women teachers in girls only schools, female sucide bomber groups....Wait that was the last NCIS.... But still it shows what extents they are percieved to go to.
It isn't a perception. A large percentage of "insurgents" in Iraq and Afghanistan are not in fact FROM Iraq or Afghanistan. The Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps is chartered to protect Iranian Islamic power, with the Quds Force tasked with spreading it abroad. There are ties between Quds Force, the Kurds in Iraq, and the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan going back decades. They don't care who the enemy is as ong as their version of Islam is the victor. The shaped charge IEDs being found all over Iraq are Iranian anti-vehicle mines.
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Aggravating the problem is the fact that both sides (or how many sides there may be) in Afghanistan, though they might fight each other bitterly, still see the US (and all infidels) as the greater enemy, to be used, when possible, to their advantage.
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Aggravating the problem is the fact that both sides (or how many sides there may be) in Afghanistan, though they might fight each other bitterly, still see the US (and all infidels) as the greater enemy, to be used, when possible, to their advantage.
It's not even that, it's just like switching from bullseye targets to silhouettes.
After feuding for 500 years with the clan across the valley, you're ready for a change.
Besides, the clan across the valley will still be your fall back when you run out of strangers.
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Afghanistan, always was, is and will be a sh**hole, backwards tribal stoneage country.
Time to get the hell out of there, and leave pictures of B-52's and mushroom clouds for the next time...I would even detonate a "small" nuke as a farewell gesture...
Or at least a six pack of MOAB's...
Very Sorry philw for the loss of the Australian Troops trying to make a difference over there.
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It's not even that, it's just like switching from bullseye targets to silhouettes.
After feuding for 500 years with the clan across the valley, you're ready for a change.
Besides, the clan across the valley will still be your fall back when you run out of strangers.
Bingo!!!!
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Afghanistan, always was, is and will be a sh**hole, backwards tribal stoneage country.
Time to get the hell out of there, and leave pictures of B-52's and mushroom clouds for the next time...I would even detonate a "small" nuke as a farewell gesture...
Or at least a six pack of MOAB's...
I was going to make a comment about turning it to Glass ;)
Very Sorry philw for the loss of the Australian Troops trying to make a difference over there.
;)
they laid to rest Captain Bryce Duffy today one of the Diggers killed the other week from that attack, today being remembrance day
he was only 26 and was just accepted in to the SAS as well
may they all rest in peace
I have not heard any reports has the USMC had any similar problems, the word is from a few serving here is they don't trust and can not trust them and they have no idea of safe handling of firearms or any idea at all really.
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It's not even that, it's just like switching from bullseye targets to silhouettes.
After feuding for 500 years with the clan across the valley, you're ready for a change.
Besides, the clan across the valley will still be your fall back when you run out of strangers.
The real fine points....
They will aid the clan across the valley to whack the strangers that are fighting with the their clan on this side of the valley and assist them in avoiding the strangers fire.
Even if you, the stranger, are fighting for them against the clan on the other side of the valley, they see you as the greater enemy to be used to gain a few points on the team across the way......expendable resources...
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Afghanistan, always was, is and will be a sh**hole, backwards tribal stoneage country.
Time to get the hell out of there, and leave pictures of B-52's and mushroom clouds for the next time...I would even detonate a "small" nuke as a farewell gesture...
Or at least a six pack of MOAB's...
Very Sorry philw for the loss of the Australian Troops trying to make a difference over there.
Spot on.
As far as I am concerned their is no value to be gained from their land, their society nor their culture.
Wipe the festering shit hole from the world maps and leave it smouldering and uninhabital, small tactical nukes were designed for a reason wasnt they?
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There nothing worth blowing up, you could bomb them back to the stone age with 2 M-80's and a roman candle.
Islam in general is why they invented Bio weapons.
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Sad thing is they used to be a thriving nation waaay back in the day. They were know as Bactria, the most extended point of Hellenistic civilization, and a cross roads on the spice routes with Hindu culture during the BC and Chinese Buddist culture after that. Then the warlords took over and things spiraled downhill, only getting worse when Islam showed up. The country is full of old Greek style buildings and lots of buried gold and artifacts. They tend to blow them up as being un-islamic, just like those giant Buddhist statues. Sad really, but not our problem.
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