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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on November 11, 2011, 06:51:34 PM
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Gee, some folks must be "stunned",... I however, am not.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cbs-poll-shows-gingrich-on-the-rise-now-tied-with-romney-behind-cain/
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Two National Polls Show Gingrich on the Rise, Now in Second Place
* Posted on November 11, 2011 at 4:28pm by Tiffany Gabbay Tiffany Gabba
In a somewhat unexpected development, GOP presidential contender Newt Gingrich is now gaining momentum as two newly released national polls — one from CBS and one from McClatchy-Marist – shows the former House Speaker surging ahead to second place.
In the CBS poll, Gingrich is tied with Mitt Romney for second place behind Herman Cain. The McClatchy-Marist poll, on the other hand, places Romney in the lead with 23 percent, and Gingrich close behind with 19 percent while Cain trails with 17 percent.
CBS reports:
The field of Republican candidates now has three candidates within striking distance of each other at the top of the list: with 18 percent, Herman Cain is in the top spot, followed by Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich with 15% each. Support for both Cain and Romney has declined since late last month, and Gingrich is the only one of the top three whose support is steadily – if slowly – on the upswing.
The CBS poll of 382 GOP primary voters was taken Nov. 6-10. It had a margin of error of 5 percentage points. The McClatchy poll of 347 Republicans and GOP-leaning independents was taken Nov. 8-10. The margin of error was 5.5 percentage points.
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IMHO, I don't think Newt or Cain is un-electable. Not this time around...Stakes are too high.... The anti-McRomney voters are growing.
The RINO factor isn't going to work anymore.
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Not really surprised!
All of his skeletons have been well vetted years ago! He's an awfully bright fellow, student of history, great orator and under most circumstances would make a decent candidate. I think his past may still come back and bite him on the butt though.
At this point, I'm not thrilled with any of them but if Newt is the guy, he'll get my vote. We've a long way to go yet. Once the caucus' and primaries start, it'll get a bit easier. We may not like who we bring to the party but the party is going to happen none the less!
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As a local radio host here cleverly pointed out. (paraphrasing)...
We need a street fighter of a candidate to beat BHO's Chicago Way Machine....Axelrod, and BHO's re-election team, have unlimited resources, and will tear your testicles off to assassinate your character, and smear your very existence.
Dumpster diving and rummaging through personal trash is acceptable. (ask Sarah Palin)....
So who are the GOP "street fighters"?
Cain
Newt
Romney is a Lib in RINO clothing. Folks are paying attention. (GOP voters anyway)...(not the useful idiots, and uninformed voter).
I kinda agree with this analysis. Slick Willy is the rock star of the Left. Years after Jennifer Flowers, Monica, a stained dress, a flat out lie to Congress. etc,...
Newt can hold his own with facts and history. The Dems can't utilize either to their advantage. Cain is not from politics and can mix it up just fine.
I still would LOVE to see Newt debate BHO under the lights.... Additionally, a real Black Conservative from humble beginnings, who made his name without gov't intervention, scares the hell out of the Dems....
One year to go folks.....Bottom line is BHO cannot be re-elected.
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I'm surprised, pleasantly so.
I did not think Newt could pull it off, but he is the one who seems to use reasoning the closest to my own.
The one question I have is how much of it is due to Newt's increasing popularity and how much is a retreat from the other 3, dumb comments by Bachmann, brain fart by Perry, and suspicious accusations against Cain.
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if he gets the nod, it will be 4 more years of BHO
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For one of the reasons I would never vote for John Edwards, is the same reason I will never vote for Newt Gingrich.
I know I can hear it now, his ex wife was a bitch and so that makes it OK. But it doesn't make it OK in my book. I think he is the most dangerous candidate of the bunch. If you like the whole idea of global governance, then Newt's your man.
Keep in mind he pushed NAFTA through with Clinton, which helped kill alot of the manufacturing industry in this country. It all sounded like a good deal at the time, but it wound up being a raw deal for the American worker in manufacturing, just like Ross "Hand Grenade with a Bad Haircut" Perot said it would.
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if he gets the nod, it will be 4 more years of BHO
Who, TAB, should get the nod and will beat BHO?
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Newt may be the brightest guy on the dais, and I kind of like his conservative credentials. But, I have trouble with someone who seems unable to comprehend the concept of commitment. It's just not kosher to cheat on your wife.
I have a similar problem with Huntsman. He went to work for Odamna, then quit to run against him. I have always believed if you work for someone, you WORK for them. Of course, I have other problems with Huntsman, too.
At the moment, I am still hanging with the Hermanator. If the charges against him turn out to be true, he will lose my support. But at this point, I think this is classic Dummycrap character assassination.
FWIW,
Crusader
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Newt may be the brightest guy on the dais, and I kind of like his conservative credentials. But, I have trouble with someone who seems unable to comprehend the concept of commitment. It's just not kosher to cheat on your wife.
I have a similar problem with Huntsman. He went to work for Odamna, then quit to run against him. I have always believed if you work for someone, you WORK for them. Of course, I have other problems with Huntsman, too.
At the moment, I am still hanging with the Hermanator. If the charges against him turn out to be true, he will lose my support. But at this point, I think this is classic Dummycrap character assassination.
FWIW,
Crusader
All these accusations against Cain are coming from the Chicago area which raises major red flags.
By the same token much is being made about Perry's brain fart, while no one mentioned the clips of Obama losing his TelPrompter becoming incoherent.
As for Newt cheating on his wife ?
Who gives a sh!t ?
I'm looking for a capable President, not a saint.
I'm a Protestant, I don't care about saints any way. ;D
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Who, TAB, should get the nod and will beat BHO?
given the current state of the GOP, I dont think any of them will.
Cain is out, rommie is not liked by the bible thumpers and perry just made a fool of himself.
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Cain is far from out...McRomney is the media's candidate for the rank and file GOP, and the establishment RINO's go to guy....
(kinda like McCain), how did that work out?
Perry still has Millions of dollars, and a year to go. (but is not likely going to be the nominee)
Newt, regardless of his past/personal indiscretions, and "f" ups, were in his personal life. Nothing to do with his ability to present solutions, and plans, that will actually work to improve this economy, and be an exponential improvement than our current POTUS.
Knows foreign policy, better than any other candidate, is a walking Library of Congress historically, to know what has worked and what hasn't.
That is the voters bottom line this election... Fool me once with McCain shame on you, fool me twice with McRomney, shame on me.
It ain't gonna be a normal election....By all the talking heads standards, Cain should have been gone already....NOT...
and Newt is gaining....and will tear BHO a new one in a head to head debate.
The RINO Romney is a McCain re-run...and the true Conservative voters are not going to be duped again...the Bible thumpers are smart enough to know this country can't withstand another 4 years of BHO, and have had enough with RINO's.
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As somebody pointed out before, Romney = "Obama - now 50% less black." My dislike of Romney has nothing to with religion (mine or his) and everything to do with him being a statist.
@ twyacht -- I don't think McCain fooled very many people. That's why he lost.
Also, I think it's important to note that "Somebody Else" and "Not Sure" account for almost 1/3 of those polled, and that nobody is pulling 20%.
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@ twyacht -- I don't think McCain fooled very many people. That's why he lost.
He was chosen by the MSM and RINO's....All by design. The same MSM, and talking heads are all on the Romney is the Candidate train.....Just like last time.
I say BS on that....I held my nose at McCain, just like a whole lot of voters did.
The point I was making is the Conservative Voter, is not going to be fooled to let "them" pick our candidate.
By their logic, Cain should have already quit. Yet he still holds the lead...(for now)...50+/- days before the first Primary. We'll see.
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Trouble with Newt is four fold.
First, he's an arrogant A-hole, and most Americans of both parties realize it.
Second he is an unfaithful A-hole, who was unfaithful to not one, but two wives whom he traded in on younger model. The first while she was recovering from cancer, the second while he was going after Clinton's infidelity while sleeping with his own ex-intern (and PS, he gave Mrs. Gingrich version 2.0 the boot by phone while she was at her mother's 80th birthday) :P.
Third, he is a neo-con. He favors a military strike in Iran. :o :o :o Just in case Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, possibly Syria now, aren't enough fun for all the family.
Fourth, while he is a smart guy who thinks big, he seems to be in love with the last good idea he heard. He has established consistent (mostly) ideals, but rarely consistent policies that have survided the years.
He's better than BO, but I'd hate to bet against his proven ability to piss off a majority of the American electorate.
FQ13
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Alright FQ,
Arrogant A-holes are the standard for modern Presidential Candidates...(I still think BHO takes top marks for arrogant A-Holeishness)..
He (was) unfaithful,.....OK, than why is Slick Willy, a Rock Star among Democrats? BFD....it changes nothing about his ability to be a better POTUS than 4 more of BHO.
Just what is a neo-con,....as much as he relies on history, where does the "neo" come from? Iran? Just back Israel up, and let them do like they have already done in Syria. His ideals were changed by a Dem Majority, and establishment RINO's...
The perfect candidate days are waaaayyyy over.....McRomney? is a wind-sock....Ron Paul lives in a happy place the majority of voters won't go. Huntsman? Please... Santorum? Angry Republican. (not that there is anything wrong with that),...Bachmann,...(well too many Palin flashbacks for you),....
It leaves Cain and Newt. The anti-establishment candidates. Want Obamacare repealed? Like totally gone? Romney and the others don't have the belly or balls for it. Newt had to work with 534 members of Congress. Kinda like a pack of rugrats in Pre-School. From the Bully Pulpit, perhaps the RINO's, and the ass whippin the incumbent Dems will face in the House and Senate will put this country back on a better path...
He's better than BO, but I'd hate to bet against his proven ability to piss off a majority of the American electorate.
FQ13
Than as long as Newt's been around, and pissing off the electorate, why are his numbers going up?
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Neo - con is a liberal catch phrase that means absolutely nothing, like "assault weapon". and only the college indoctrinated, or really stupid, fall for it.
As for his ideas, FQ's opinion is meaningless because he believes in the same failed stupid crap that screwed the country up in the first place.
Come on, with all the information that was available before the '08 election would any one with anyone other than a college victim or idiot have voted for an empty suit like what these assholes elected ?
He cheated on his wives ? BFD, FQ, you ever been married ? I'd give him a pass if he'd killed one of them.
Besides, like I posted before, the election is for a President, not a saint.
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Neo - con is a liberal catch phrase that means absolutely nothing, like "assault weapon". and only the college indoctrinated, or really stupid, fall for it.
He cheated on his wives ? BFD, FQ, you ever been married ? I'd give him a pass if he'd killed one of them.
Besides, like I posted before, the election is for a President, not a saint.
Lets take these in reverse order. If it were just cheating I'd agree. Its why no one cared about BJ. But well, Newt is the marrying kind. He dumps his wife, mother of his children on her sick bed to marry a trophy wife. Then, when she gets a bit long in the tooth, he dumps her and marries an intern. Ask any woman over 35 whether he should be elected President or castrated. Its not the sex, its the betrayal and the saying "you're old and ugly, see'ya" that's the electoral problem. I doubt Palin and Bachman would vote for him sober. Think I'm wrong, ask M'lette.
I'll give you the definition of Neo-con later, right now I have to take a call. I will be back. As a teaser, four words :Bill Krisol, John McCain.
FQ13
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Here's Newt on individual mandates for health insurance. BTW sports fans, that issue is at the heart of the lawsuit 26 states filed against the feds; which one appeals court judge in FL said was unconstitutional.
Is this kind of like this video?:
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Historically, Newt was much worse than you guys may be aware of.. Remember the old saw about "A dead woman or a live boy"? He respected those guardrails. Anything short of that was fair game... "Was" being the operative word.. He's not like that anymore. Jesus can change a man.. I still have serious reservations about Newt and "Free Trade", but that horse has already left the barn. It took 25 years to get to this point on that business and until we get our currency and debt under control, we can't even begin to the economy and trade policy of the 1950s model.. IMO.. We can start fixing our economy by taking trade policy decisions away from the pervue of the State Dept..
I'll offer the name of a man who has a knowledge of the Constitution that outstrips even Newt, the integrity of a George Washington, the grace of Ronald Reagan and roots like a Juniper tree..
His name is David Barton. I think he ought to be drafted at the Convention..
Again, IMO..
If I can go a little farther afield here.. I believe that in large part, we can thank Huckabee and Romney in SC last time around for McCain getting the nomination in the end last time..
I will not vote for Romney if he gets the nomination, but before I start to rant...
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Neo - con is a liberal catch phrase that means absolutely nothing, like "assault weapon". and only the college indoctrinated, or really stupid, fall for it.
Actually it means a lot, and it means more to conservatives than liberals who just stop at the word "con". Neo-conservatism started in the '60's and '70's with liberals (mostly academic types) who got fed up with the Dem's over many issues, but mostly foreign policy. They were hawks on the Cold War and strongly pro-Israel. What sets them apart from traditional conservatives (think Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Barry Goldwater etc.), is they are avidly interventionist and internationalist. They reject a realist FP and spit at isolationism. Wars of choice are ok, and entangling foreign alliances are good things. They like nation building, and will regale you with the wonders of the Marshall plan till you want to strangle them. Israel is the 51st state, and inside every rag head (or insert Cuban or Chinese if you want) is a good American waiting to come out. We just need to dazzle them with American sunshine and maybe a small military intervention (for their own good, and they'll thank us for it, really ::)). The WTO is the future, globalism means prosperity, and border security; well, maybe, but how about focusing on strengthening regional ties with Mexico? Their intellectual leaders would be Bill Kristol and Marty Peretz,. Their magazine is "The Weekly Standard". Their candidates would be McCain and especially W., who was the poster boy for the neo-con agenda both as governor and as President. Its not a smear used by liberals as much as it is by libertarians and traditional conservatives.
FQ13
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You mean they started as "Liberals Gone Wild"? ;D
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Sounds like a bunch of Trotskyites to me.
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Two more polls show Newt on top
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/newt-gingrich-rises-top-tier-two-polls-183313193.html
Two national polls released Monday show former Speaker Newt Gingrich surging from the bottom tier to double digits in the past week, replacing businessman Herman Cain near the top with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
A CNN/ORC International Poll conducted from Nov. 11-13 shows 22 percent of Republicans and independents who lean Republican saying they now support Gingrich. With a sampling error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points, that puts Gingrich in a statistical dead heat with Romney, the longtime frontrunner. In a Public Policy Polling survey also released Monday, Gingrich rose to the lead, a full 10 percentage points ahead of Romney.
The data suggest that Gingrich's presence in the top tier comes at the expense of businessman Herman Cain, whose support dropped by 11 percentage points in the CNN poll and five points according to PPP amid accusations of sexual harassment made over the past two weeks.
As support for other candidates has fluctuated, only Romney has consistently remained in the top tier. Over the past five months of PPP surveys, support for Romney has shifted by just 2 percentage points. In the CNN poll, Romney polled as high as 35 percent when the campaign season first got off the ground in June, but he has never fallen below 18 percent.
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Romney is also stagnant. His numbers are there, but they don't move much. Certainly in the top tier, but not lighting a fire of a surge, even after 10 debates....
Cain is causing sleepless nights for the attack Dems, as his numbers remain and fundraising increases.
Newt is now tightening it up.
I think the writing is on the wall this time, unlike 2008...(thankfully)....
Would you feel more comfortable about your 2nd Amend. rights with Newt or Cain,....or Romney?
Let's review.
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Gosh....Newt sounds pretty good in this one...
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Gee,....NO TELEPROMPTER!!!!
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There is a breaking point in this country coming up fast. I pray we even make it to the 2012 elections. Newt continues his rise in the polls. He is connecting with an engaged electorate this time. Spelling it out in simple terms, and not letting the MSM dictate who the Conservative Candidate should be.
The fear mongers, character assassins, the dumpster divers, and political hacks, need to understand, that the majority of voters are pissed. Like really freakin' pissed. The whole kitten' kaboodle needs to be "reset", before we end up like Greece.