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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: leatherman92 on March 28, 2008, 07:10:05 PM
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I'm thinking about getting a encore in 7mm rem mag.has any body shot one alot?
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The TC are good guns but I think somewhat over priced. I would look real hard at the KP1 and the CVA Optima Elite.
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thats made by knight right ;D
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thats made by knight right ;D
Yep, and I added the CVA Optima Elite. Bergara barrels!
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Leatherman, you did not say Encore pistol or rifle???
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Leatherman, you did not say Encore pistol or rifle???
HMMMM... Good question. I assumed (Yeah, I know :D ) rifle.
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That is why I lurk. But on the other hand, if you buy an encore pistol, it can later be made into a rifle, If you buy the rifle you cannot later make it into a pistol. I know Michael made exception to this on my previous post about the Ruger charger, but the Supreme court ruled on the TC carbine conversion for the contender, The atf claimed it was a kit for a short barreled rifle and therefore under NFA rules. The SCOTUS, ruled differently. Neither Knights or CVA have a pistol option.
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That is why I lurk. But on the other hand, if you buy an encore pistol, it can later be made into a rifle, If you buy the rifle you cannot later make it into a pistol. I know Michael made exception to this on my previous post about the Ruger charger, but the Supreme court ruled on the TC carbine conversion for the contender, The atf claimed it was a kit for a short barreled rifle and therefore under NFA rules. The SCOTUS, ruled differently. Neither Knights or CVA have a pistol option.
So, are you saying if I bought a TC pistol and the put a (oh, say) 12 inch barrel and a butt stock on it it would be legal??
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That is why I lurk. But on the other hand, if you buy an encore pistol, it can later be made into a rifle, If you buy the rifle you cannot later make it into a pistol. I know Michael made exception to this on my previous post about the Ruger charger, but the Supreme court ruled on the TC carbine conversion for the contender, The atf claimed it was a kit for a short barreled rifle and therefore under NFA rules. The SCOTUS, ruled differently. Neither Knights or CVA have a pistol option.
That may no longer be the case, My understanding is that ATF just said "oh fu$& it, do what you want"(Probably worded diferant ;D ) I was working there back in the late 80's when T/C had 2 things going on that drove ATF nuts, Carbine conversion for the Contender, and the .45/ .410 barrel, for a while ATF made them stop producing ANY .45 cal cartridge barrels. (Did not affect black powder) When I worked there in '01 - 04 you could buy JUST the Receiver, and mix and match the rest. I don't know if that is still true since S&W bought them.
PS DON"T WASTE your money on those "barrel stubs" and unblued / unfinished receivers that you see at gun shows on ocasion, They are rejects and scrap, good for nothing but paper weights. That is not opinion, they got taken home by some one who did not want to have to fill out the scrap tag, and then they dumped them on some one who was going to a gun show. Those things may only be available around here though.
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Leatherman, you did not say Encore pistol or rifle???
rifle
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rifle
Try to find one made before S&W bought them, ESPECIALY THE BARREL. Smith replaced all the machines in the barrel room when they took over, and the new barrels have quality issues. Let me put it this way, the scrap rate tripled in 6 months and T/C could not even keep the contract for M&P barrels. Those folks had been making barrels on those machines for 40 years and now some "Engineer" has told them " It will be better to do this"
Because of 20 years of incedents like this my opinion of "Engineers" is that just because you have the little blue hat that says Lionel DOES NOT mean you can drive the train.
Note- Actualy the scrap rate is worse than that, it WAS $1/2 Mil per year, at the time of the sale it was average, say $1/4 Mil so far that year, in the NEXT 6 MONTHS it went to $ 1.5 MIL, buy an older barrel.
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So, are you saying if I bought a TC pistol and the put a (oh, say) 12 inch barrel and a butt stock on it it would be legal??
And the answer to this is???
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So, are you saying if I bought a TC pistol and the put a (oh, say) 12 inch barrel and a butt stock on it it would be legal??
Probably not but if you're not robbing banks or shooting with ATF agents I doubt any one would notice. How ever I don't think the Rifle stock would allow you to use a pistol fore end and the pistol Barrels won't take the rifle fore end. the screw holes are not located the same . I KNOW this, because I spent 18 months putting the sight and fore end screw holes in Encore and contender barrels.
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Probably not but if you're not robbing banks or shooting with ATF agents I doubt any one would notice. How ever I don't think the Rifle stock would allow you to use a pistol fore end and the pistol Barrels won't take the rifle fore end. the screw holes are not located the same . I KNOW this, because I spent 18 months putting the sight and fore end screw holes in Encore and contender barrels.
Tom,
I am NOT doubting your knowledge of this gun. I am just obsessed with a gun like 'Angle Eyes' used in "For a few Dollars More".
I Really want a pistol (preferably my Redhawk 45) with a rifle butt. I know it take a stamp but at the same time I have seen black powder set ups like this. And you can buy conversion cylinders for the BPs that allow you to shoot center fire, SOOOO.......
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Tom,
I am NOT doubting your knowledge of this gun. I am just obsessed with a gun like 'Angle Eyes' used in "For a few Dollars More".
I Really want a pistol (preferably my Redhawk 45) with a rifle butt. I know it take a stamp but at the same time I have seen black powder set ups like this. And you can buy conversion cylinders for the BPs that allow you to shoot center fire, SOOOO.......
Lewis arms lewisarms.homestead.com In Bow NH had a revolver rifle, last fall. I did not notice the price. It was a revolver action .357 if I remember right, with a 16 inch barrel and a RIFLE stock, NO PISTOL GRIP this was a RIFLE, not a buntline with add on stock. otherwise you are talking a seriuos custum job, but it would definitly get peoples attention at the range !
Just reread your post, guess this isn't quite what you are looking for. What you want would be a custom made stock and a slot in your grip frame to attach it, like on the old Mauser Broomhandles and Lugers