Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: JohnJacobH on March 30, 2008, 09:14:45 PM
Title: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: JohnJacobH on March 30, 2008, 09:14:45 PM
Enjoy......
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bqOLjEli6yY
When I have time I want to come back and spank Jim Shepard for evoking that hoariest of hoary misconceptions: you can't shout Fire! in a crowded theatre.
Best regards to all,
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: CLP on March 30, 2008, 09:27:47 PM
Good video, shows ultimate stupidity.
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: NYPD13 on March 30, 2008, 10:22:42 PM
Does anyone know which company dropped the ball in designing or at the very least producing such a dangerous product to meet TSA requirements. If so I doubt any gun owner with a shred of common sense should buy anything they produce.
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: Hazcat on March 30, 2008, 10:39:00 PM
Does anyone know which company dropped the ball in designing or at the very least producing such a dangerous product to meet TSA requirements. If so I doubt any gun owner with a shred of common sense should buy anything they produce.
From the Michael Bane Blog...
Michael Bane said... ADDITIONAL INFORMATION!
The holster is a DeSantis FDO, apparently first trotted out in the Clinton era. And no, don't blame Gene DeSantis for this travesty...it's built to a government spec, purchased by the government and issued to various and sundry federal agencies.
The holster was issued with a padlock and the instructions to keep the gun locked in the holster when it was not on the belt.
The smart ones threw the padlocks away...
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Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: leatherman92 on March 30, 2008, 11:52:01 PM
great video
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: twyacht on March 31, 2008, 05:23:41 AM
You want to screw up a fundamentally "good" idea of armed pilots?
Get a Government Agency involved to regulate it and put policies in place made by non-firearm familiar idiots.
Just wait until the Gov. takes over healthcare! AH! it will be beautiful.
Great video.
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: gunman1911 on March 31, 2008, 09:14:34 AM
Don't blame the holster or the gun blame the idiot who pushed on the gun when it was obvious the the lock goes through the trigger guard and in front of the trigger and any moron would know if you push down on the gun you are going to push on the whole thing . If its not right in the first place go back and re do the whole thing. Guns, holsters and locks are inanimate objects . The lock was meant to be used on a unloaded gun. At least that's how that's my slightly egdemucated mind works.
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: MikeBjerum on March 31, 2008, 10:40:10 AM
Gunman is correct. It is still operator error (seems like that is the most common thing we hear when ever anything goes wrong on a plane), and regarless of how stupid the system is we are charged with being safe. If the video is an accurate reinactment of what happened it just shows the areas where the pilot oooopsed.
Looking at these procedures I have one question: Where is Todd Jarrett, and why don't I hear him screaming "SERPA, SERPA, SERPA!" I know that they don't have one with a key or combination, but I bet that holster could be better adapted than anything else on the market. I would think that they could adapt a level 3 pretty clean and easy.
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: mosbear on March 31, 2008, 11:38:08 AM
Guys, guys! You are all wrong. The weakest link here is the lock! TSA burrocrats didn't do their due diligence when they picked the lock design. This is the one to use http://www.padlock.s-a-w.net/seiten/9977.htm (http://www.padlock.s-a-w.net/seiten/9977.htm) Who needs the gun when you can wear the lock like this?! ;D
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: Hazcat on March 31, 2008, 11:42:10 AM
Guys, guys! You are all wrong. The weakest link here is the lock! TSA burrocrats didn't do their due diligence when they picked the lock design. This is the one to use http://www.padlock.s-a-w.net/seiten/9977.htm (http://www.padlock.s-a-w.net/seiten/9977.htm) Who needs the gun when you can wear the lock like this?! ;D
Good Lord! I bet that thing weighs 5 lbs!
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: TAB on March 31, 2008, 12:07:37 PM
I personally think the idea of arming pilots is very, very bad. Think about it for a second. The cockpit of a plane is not some where you want to have a fire fight, also, if a fire fight were to break out, guess which direction the pilots bullets are going? Then again, if you don't fly 1st class you don't have to worry about that. ;D
Don't get me wrong, I am a firm beleaver in every one( assuming they have decent training) being armed. I just can't see a pilot being armed as a good thing.
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: jaybet on March 31, 2008, 12:20:34 PM
Guys, guys! You are all wrong. The weakest link here is the lock! TSA burrocrats didn't do their due diligence when they picked the lock design. This is the one to use http://www.padlock.s-a-w.net/seiten/9977.htm (http://www.padlock.s-a-w.net/seiten/9977.htm) Who needs the gun when you can wear the lock like this?! ;D
How about the Ruger locks they're shipping with guns...do they provide one of them with the new LCP? I think the one I got with the last gun weighs more than the gun (GP 161- 6" barrel)
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 31, 2008, 03:27:04 PM
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Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: DDMac on March 31, 2008, 06:39:31 PM
Nor do you, my Dear Lady! ;D Mac.
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: twyacht on March 31, 2008, 08:51:56 PM
I'll bet the pilots on 9/11 would have liked to have ANY firearm in the cockpit.
Granted the cockpit is no place for a firefight, against hijackers with boxcutters, I'll take a Raven .25 over nothing.
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: Rastus on March 31, 2008, 08:53:42 PM
I personally think the idea of arming pilots is very, very bad. Think about it for a second. The cockpit of a plane is not some where you want to have a fire fight, also, if a fire fight were to break out, guess which direction the pilots bullets are going? Then again, if you don't fly 1st class you don't have to worry about that. ;D
Don't get me wrong, I am a firm beleaver in every one( assuming they have decent training) being armed. I just can't see a pilot being armed as a good thing.
Hmmm...Overpowered pilot flying into a building killing everyone on board or an untimely demise for one or two people with an errant shot?
Take those locks off!
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: wisconsin on March 31, 2008, 09:47:05 PM
Air Marshals are armed!
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: CurrieS103 on March 31, 2008, 09:51:11 PM
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Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: TAB on April 01, 2008, 12:35:39 AM
Hmmm...Overpowered pilot flying into a building killing everyone on board or an untimely demise for one or two people with an errant shot?
Take those locks off!
And one bullet in the wrong spot and the plane will go down... I'm not talking about shooting a hole in the plane, that will do very little to a modern aircraft. Lots of other stuff it could hit that would be very, very bad. In this day and age, firearms have no place in the passenger compartment of comm'l airliners.
Title: Re: Guess I Scooped Michael Bane with TSA Video
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 01, 2008, 02:03:34 AM
And one bullet in the wrong spot and the plane will go down... I'm not talking about shooting a hole in the plane, that will do very little to a modern aircraft. Lots of other stuff it could hit that would be very, very bad. In this day and age, firearms have no place in the passenger compartment of comm'l airliners.
The Israeli's would disagree with you, Not only are all their pilots armed they also have Air Marshals who use pretty much the same Fragible ammo ours do. Worst case with that stuff in the cockpit is it MIGHT crack a computer screen, all of which have back ups be cause airplanes are designed on the theory that crap happens. I don't know what TSA allows for ammo for pilots, probably +P FMJ, But thats because they are beurocratic a$$holes.