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Title: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: tt11758 on December 05, 2011, 09:30:21 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377450_253210718074111_100001555530051_719639_908652433_n.jpg)

Tip of the hat to Sheriff Jim Wilson for the photo.
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: Pathfinder on December 05, 2011, 09:54:31 AM
ABOMINATION!!!!!!!!!!!

Wonder whose grip angle they used, JMB or Gaston'?
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: Timothy on December 05, 2011, 10:03:50 AM
Is it real or just Caspian parts roll stamped with the logo and a few grip panels.

Seems that even Perfection needs to make a profit!

BTW....Hitler was Austrian!
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: santahog on December 05, 2011, 10:34:46 AM
I wish!.. I need a SA trigger, and the grip angle of a 1911 is perfect. I have smaller hands that make a 1911 diameter/shape just work.. Accurate Point (retention position) Shooting is a snap with a 1911, for me. If I had the reliability and capacity of a G-21 in a 1911 package, I'd give up my Kimber in a heartbeat..
Blasphemy..
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: billt on December 05, 2011, 11:26:38 AM
That's been floating around the Internet for over a year now. Great Photoshop job.
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: Pecos Bill on December 05, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
I wish!.. I need a SA trigger, and the grip angle of a 1911 is perfect. I have smaller hands that make a 1911 diameter/shape just work.. Accurate Point (retention position) Shooting is a snap with a 1911, for me. If I had the reliability and capacity of a G-21 in a 1911 package, I'd give up my Kimber in a heartbeat..
Blasphemy..

BLASPHEMER! You are hereby excommunicated from 1911dom for ever.

Pecos
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: Solus on December 05, 2011, 03:12:56 PM
Nothing special.  Looks like it is just some markings that have changed.

External controls are still the same which would indicate it's still only a 1911 on the inside too.   ;D ;D



Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: Conagher 45 on December 05, 2011, 05:27:22 PM
Evil Spirit Depart from us and return to your dark master.   ;D
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: mauler on December 05, 2011, 06:09:41 PM
That is awesome.
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: kmitch200 on December 05, 2011, 06:12:34 PM
That's been floating around the Internet for over a year now. Great Photoshop job.

True, yet it still gets the natives in a tizzy every time it pops up.  ;D
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: twyacht on December 05, 2011, 06:51:52 PM
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/07/08/glock-1911-real-or-fake/

True, yet it still gets the natives in a tizzy every time it pops up.  ;D



Yep.... 8)
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: Solus on December 05, 2011, 07:18:37 PM
Well, I do have to admit it would be the best looking Glock in production.

Start with a Glock 21 and wrap it up to look/feel like that and you will have something.

Performance and reliability of a Glock and the look and feel of a 1911    ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: JC5123 on December 05, 2011, 07:55:07 PM
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Tip of the hat to Sheriff Jim Wilson for the photo.


HERITIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: Ichiban on December 05, 2011, 08:18:29 PM
Look at it this way - that is the only way Glock could get the grip angle right.
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: Solus on December 06, 2011, 08:09:08 AM
Look at it this way - that is the only way Glock could the grip angle right.

At one time there was a third part Glock frame manufacturer and they I believe they did make one with a 1911 grip angle.  I'll see if I can find any historic info.

Here is the one I was thinking of.   It does offer a 1911 grip insert for it's frame.  The frames are steel, aluminum or titanium and are replacement frames for Glocks.   Now you can have a Glock and make it as heavy as a 1911.  

http://www.ccfraceframes.com/home.php

I also found this from Lone Wolf.   Seems to be a polymer frame with the feel of a 1911 grip angle...so the ad says.  

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/non-xd-handguns/153916-change-your-glock-grip-angle-1911-a.html

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3168


Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: tt11758 on December 06, 2011, 09:26:05 AM
Nothing special.  Looks like it is just some markings that have changed.

External controls are still the same which would indicate it's still only a 1911 on the inside too.   ;D ;D






Speaking of blasphemy......there is no such things as ONLY a 1911!!!
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 06, 2011, 09:33:01 AM
At one time there was a third part Glock frame manufacturer and they I believe they did make one with a 1911 grip angle.  I'll see if I can find any historic info.

Here is the one I was thinking of.   It does offer a 1911 grip insert for it's frame.  The frames are steel, aluminum or titanium and are replacement frames for Glocks.   Now you can have a Glock and make it as heavy as a 1911. 

http://www.ccfraceframes.com/home.php

I also found this from Lone Wolf.   Seems to be a polymer frame with the feel of a 1911 grip angle...so the ad says. 

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/non-xd-handguns/153916-change-your-glock-grip-angle-1911-a.html

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3168




I would question the wisdom of "just" changing the grip angle since that effects the angle the rounds are presented to the chamber.
It could lead to some severe feed issues.
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: Solus on December 06, 2011, 09:48:30 AM
I would question the wisdom of "just" changing the grip angle since that effects the angle the rounds are presented to the chamber.
It could lead to some severe feed issues.

That would be a consideration.  

It is possible it might still work...and it is possible the angle of the magazine well would not need to be changed as much as the grip angle...giving a non-concentric mag well.  There is a lot of "dead space" in a standard Glock grip so some canting of the mag well in the grip would be possible....rather, keeping the mag well in the same or close to the same orientation as possible while shifting the grip angle around it.

Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: Big Frank on December 06, 2011, 11:51:58 AM
I think only the backstrap is a differnt angle on those frames. They eliminate the hollow part.
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 06, 2011, 11:55:30 AM
Both good answers.
I'm not against the idea, but I would want to test it strenuously before I trusted it.
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: Solus on December 06, 2011, 02:59:26 PM
Never checked the grip angles before...don't have a problem with the Glock....but when I did compare them, there is not much if any difference.  It could easily be changed without changing the mag well angle.  But there is a pronounced difference in the grip at the top back.  The Glock does have nearly an inch less "depth" than the 1911.  This is comparing a G23 and a Government Model Series 70.
Title: Re: The Debate Can Now Be Put To Bed
Post by: TAB on December 06, 2011, 03:51:13 PM
there are more then a few companys out there that will reshape your glock grip.  most use a combo of heat and machine work.