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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on December 15, 2011, 07:48:38 PM
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http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/12/it-begins-predatory-regime-of-both.html
Thursday, December 15, 2011
It begins. Predatory regime of both parties provides citizenry with another reason to shoot first and ask questions later when a raid party comes to your home.
Barack Obama has abandoned a commitment to veto a new security law that allows the military to indefinitely detain without trial American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil who could then be shipped to Guantánamo Bay.
Human rights groups accused the president of deserting his principles and disregarding the long-established principle that the military is not used in domestic policing. The legislation has also been strongly criticised by libertarians on the right angered at the stripping of individual rights for the duration of "a war that appears to have no end". . .
But another conservative senator, Rand Paul, a strong libertarian, has said "detaining citizens without a court trial is not American" and that if the law passes "the terrorists have won".
"We're talking about American citizens who can be taken from the United States and sent to a camp at Guantánamo Bay and held indefinitely. It puts every single citizen American at risk," he said. "Really, what security does this indefinite detention of Americans give us? The first and flawed premise, both here and in the badly named Patriot Act, is that our pre-9/11 police powers were insufficient to stop terrorism. This is simply not borne out by the facts."
Paul was backed by Senator Dianne Feinstein.
"Congress is essentially authorizing the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens, without charge," she said. "We are not a nation that locks up its citizens without charge."
Paul said there were already strong laws against support for terrorist groups. He noted that the definition of a terrorism suspect under existing legislation was so broad that millions of Americans could fall within it.
"There are laws on the books now that characterize who might be a terrorist: someone missing fingers on their hands is a suspect according to the Department of Justice. Someone who has guns, someone who has ammunition that is weatherproofed, someone who has more than seven days of food in their house can be considered a potential terrorist," Paul said. "If you are suspected because of these activities, do you want the government to have the ability to send you to Guantánamo Bay for indefinite detention?"
What then shall we do? A predatory regime of both parties has provided the citizenry with another reason to shoot first and ask questions later when a raid party comes to your home. Must we wait for a Supreme Court decision that comes months, if not years, after the first attack before we begin shooting at every federal officer or soldier who approaches our homes? The inalienable right of self defense says no. These unprincipled idiots are playing with matches in a powder magazine. And the first match of this new box just got struck.
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Food for thought.....
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I had an 18 year old girl ( with piercings, and tattoos) ask me the other day if this were as bad as it sounded.
It's not just people like us that think this is crap.
But the sheeple will do no more about this than they have done about any other Govt usurpation.
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But the sheeple will do no more about this than they have done about any other Govt usurpation.
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And neither has anyone else except the Tea Party supporters.
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I can't believe Feinstein backed up Rand Paul! Let's just keep the seven that voted AGAINST this bill and SH*TCAN all the rest!
Friggin' unbelievable!
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Kelly Ayotte, has not been impressing me since she took office as my Sen.
With this vote (she voted for it ) she guaranteed I will vote for any Rep who challenges her.
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I had an 18 year old girl ( with piercings, and tattoos) ask me the other day if this were as bad as it sounded.
It's not just people like us that think this is crap.
But the sheeple will do no more about this than they have done about any other Govt usurpation.
These kids are a BIG segment of the RP support. It's too bad that Perry or Newt haven't given this thing the thought or speech time it deserves.. If Newt did it, he would sew up the nomination. If Perry did it, he would make it to the convention, and maybe VP..
BUT HOW DOES ONE, OR A SMALL GROUP OF FOLKS GET THEIR ATTENTION, (without a big, fat check to the campaign)?!
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ole painless is waitin, let them come.
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These kids are a BIG segment of the RP support. It's too bad that Perry or Newt haven't given this thing the thought or speech time it deserves.. If Newt did it, he would sew up the nomination. If Perry did it, he would make it to the convention, and maybe VP..
BUT HOW DOES ONE, OR A SMALL GROUP OF FOLKS GET THEIR ATTENTION, (without a big, fat check to the campaign)?!
In Ireland before 1921 they used "non compliance".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance
Then of course if you have wider connections that will allow for nation wide, coordinated action, there are violent options such as targeted assassinations of offending politicians and officials.
I suggest you read Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals", and John Ross's "Unintended Consequences".
I'm sure methods will suggest themselves.
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I never thought of combining those two books.... :o
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Why not ? Tactics that work for communists, Nazi's and Democrats work for us just as well.