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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: santahog on December 17, 2011, 01:11:12 PM
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What would it take to create a primary challange to Obama? How do you get JOE MANCHIN, D. W.VA. in the race??? If the GOP "party guys" get their way, Romney will have the nomination. I can't vote for him. (Yell all you want. I just can't do it.) I could go along with Gingrich, but keeping a leash on him would be a BIG job.. Manchin could win his nomination. If that took place, we would win, too..
How do you actually field that one and have it noticed, (from a computer)?...
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I'm not FQ and I'm not answering the question because of that and because I don't know.
But I'd like to make an observation.
Not voting for the Republican candidate is a vote for Obama no matter who that candidate is.
Any vote that goes anywhere except the candidate who has the greatest chance of beating Obama IS a vote for Obama.
And believe me, I am not one to vote for the lesser of two evils. But is this race, the Democratic Evil is overwhelming.
This is not the election to make "protest votes" or "party support votes", as I do for the Libertarian Party....
We are now in the handbasket gathering speed towards the fire at the bottom of the hill.... not voting to put on the brakes because you don't like the brakeman is not the wise thing to do.
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Is trying to beat him in the primary a protest vote? Just askin..
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Gotta agree with Solus on this. The only way that sitting this out will be acceptable is if you can prevent at least three votes for the further ruination of our country.
Sticking to your principles and not voting for the R candidate because he/she isn't exactly what you want would be fine if it effected only you and yours. Kind of like paying higher prices to not shop at a store you don't like for whatever reason. I do that.
But this effects all of us as well as your children and generations to come. I fear that we may already be too late to save what is left of the great country we once knew.
If there was going to be a D primary the only person that has the backing to take on Obama is the Hilary. I don't see that happening - she is bidding her time and will emerge as a major force to be dealt with in 2016.
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What he said. The only way to get a real primary challenger is if the party bosses get scared. They would be, except the GOP is putting up yahoos. No offense, but Mitt and Newt don't have the establishment DNC or even the DLC quaking in their boots, and no one wants to stage a coup unless they think they can win. Plus BO is black, no way are they going to piss off that constituency by running a white candidate in the primary, because if blacks sit out the general the party loses. It would have been like running a pro-choice jewish candidate against W. in 2004. The Christian right would have stayed home and Kerry would have won. The last two major party primary challengers, Kennedy against Carter and Buchanan against Bush sr. went down in flames, and both were blamed for making the incumbent a one termer. Not many want to follow in their footsteps. As nice as the idea is, it won't happen.
FQ13.
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I've come to similar conclusions on Romney as the rest. If he's the guy, I'll vote for him even though I don't like him.
Anyone that's interested in where he was on the MA weapons ban should do the research before they judge him based on that alone. Things could have been much worse for us here had the legislature gotten what they originally wanted. Romney, according to our local GOAL chapter, managed to get some compromise out of the commies on Beacon Hill. GOAL supported his efforts through it all.
If anyone is interested, I'll try and find the article again.
http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html
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If Romney gets the nomination I will vote against BO.
Until then I'm pushing Newt or any one else who looks like they can beat Romney.
You will not get a primary challenge to BO,even if the party bosses didn't have a vested interest in keeping him in office it's to late to start a viable campaign to replace him.
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If Romney gets the nomination I will vote against BO.
Sadly, that's what most of my votes are - a vote against someone. It's been a long, long time since I voted FOR someone.
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Remember the "numbers" right now have over half of the country NOT willing to give BHO a second term....Gallup had 52% NOT re-electing him...
And his approval is in the LOW 40%. NO POTUS, was re-elected less than a year to elections that low.
THOSE numbers scare the DEMS...
Many wold LOVE if the Hildebeast would jump in.....Plus there is the puppetmaster Soros angle,....as time goes on, if the numbers stay consistent, or even get BHO into the 30% approvals,.....
You'll see something,....BUT BHO is too arrogant to go down quietly....Than there is the Chicago Way,......
Should be interesting, but we gotta get BHO out whether it's Ken Doll, or Newt. Also, we need the Senate Back!!!!! Those Congressional votes would at least be a firewall if Republicans controlled BOTH houses....
Too many executive orders, with a Rep. controlled Congress? You'll see demands for impeachment pretty quick, if he's re-elected.
Or we'll just start a second Civil War....
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Is trying to beat him in the primary a protest vote? Just askin..
I wasn't saying that. I was referring to your statement that if Romney got the nomination you couldn't vote for him.
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I wasn't saying that. I was referring to your statement that if Romney got the nomination you couldn't vote for him.
Like many who voted for McCain, we held our nose and voted, because we KNEW what BHO would bring, and he did not let us down in that regard....
It will only get worse, if he's re-elected....
No one should "stay home" this time.....
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The very fact of BO's reelection, even if it's only by 1 vote, will be hyped as a "mandate from the people" to continue on his Socialist, anti American, corrupt, racist agenda.
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The very fact of BO's reelection, even if it's only by 1 vote, will be hyped as a "mandate from the people" to continue on his Socialist, anti American, corrupt, racist agenda.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we need to yank the big "R" handle at the poles even if the candidate is a one eyed, three toed, syphilitic, tick infested primate with a speech impediment!
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we need yank the big "R" handle at the poles even if the candidate is a one eyed, three toed, syphilitic, tick infested primate with a speech impediment!
That Sir, wins the Comment Of The Day Award!!!!
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I am already practicing my "nose-holding" technique.
The country will not survive another 4 of Odamna.
If the Rs ran A CIGARETTE BUTT IN AN EMPTY BEER BOTTLE, I'd vote for the bottle. Then, I'd hit one of my own.
Sheesh...
Crusader
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we need to yank the big "R" handle at the poles even if the candidate is a one eyed, three toed, syphilitic, tick infested primate with a speech impediment!
Hey, I LIKE THE DAMN TEXAN!!!! Gimme a break!! He beats the hell out of the last one!!
Okay, look.. Romney is pro abortion. I know most here don't care, but I've got to face the Lord after you beat me to death for it..
I'll tell you something else too. I DID hold my nose last time. It wasnt' even counted because it was a mail in. Help me fix the local bunch, to figure out that votes are supposed to be counted before you go off on me for being more afraid of God than I am you.. I mention Romney as an aside, and to motivate the reader that I'm not "following" this time. This time, I lead..
My question was about what it would take to run Joe Manchin against Obama, because I think he could win their primary. That way, we're better off no matter who wins.. Support Romney of you want! I can't do it! I can't vote for paul, either. He'll get us all killed! (Although, I'd rather die fighting than be led to the slaughter..)
Joe
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Santahog, there will not be a Dem primary, it is to late for a dem to register, in about half the primary states and even if some one tried in the remainder the party leadership would go to court to keep him off.
Basically no matter what happens no Dems will vote before Nov.
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We are now in the handbasket gathering speed towards the fire at the bottom of the hill.... not voting to put on the brakes because you don't like the brakeman is not the wise thing to do.
That would presume that the R candidate would do something different than what we are currently doing, and I'm not convinced of that.
Something to consider is that people will actually stand up and fight against Obama. Nobody cared about bailouts under Bush. Under Obama, they were viewed as bad. McCain could've gotten (and would've tried to get) Obamacare passed with a lot less of a fight than Obama. With an R in the seat, folks are likely to go back to sleep for 4 more years.
Would a Romney SC nominee look fundamentally different than an Obama one?
Bottom line--I'm just not sure that a .0000000000000001 degree course correction is gonna make that much of a difference in our ultimate destination.
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That would presume that the R candidate would do something different than what we are currently doing, and I'm not convinced of that.
Something to consider is that people will actually stand up and fight against Obama. Nobody cared about bailouts under Bush. Under Obama, they were viewed as bad. McCain could've gotten (and would've tried to get) Obamacare passed with a lot less of a fight than Obama. With an R in the seat, folks are likely to go back to sleep for 4 more years.
Would a Romney SC nominee look fundamentally different than an Obama one?
Bottom line--I'm just not sure that a .0000000000000001 degree course correction is gonna make that much of a difference in our ultimate destination.
While I agree that the goal of both parties is to get as big and grab as much power as they can, The R's have been doing it at a slower rate than the D's and they don't yet have such a strong Marxist/Socialist focus.
It is no wonder much of what one party condemns the other for doing while they were in control is ever reversed....both parties what it done...but love to blame the other for making those nasty encroachments on our right....but they both rub their hands with anticipation of taking control with the added power the previous party took the fall for.
In any case, a change in administration will slow down the encroachment while they dick around getting everything in DC arranged the way they like it.
And if it is a big enough defeat (doubtful) it might send some type of message that "The People" won't tolerate becoming slaves this quickly.
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The lesser of two evils is still evil. Whether it is a marxist/socialist/communist outright like we have now or a RINO, the result is still the same. It's the time on the path that changes. All that "worker's paradise" guarantees is that wealthy people stay wealthy and in power.
I'd rather see it blow up sooner than later. The slow path to enslavement means there are proportionately more koolaide drinkers who think they are free but can't recognize their chains. Better for it to come all at once...that get's the sheep's attention. This really is akin to putting the bullfrog in a pot of warm water then turning the fire up on him...by the time he realizes he's being cooked it's too late. Drop the frog's behind in a pan of hot oil and he get's it right off the bat.
I've watched this slow boil turned up for 40 years. It isn't going to get better with a RINO; just proceed more slowly. At end of a slow boil people will try to stay unnoticed and keep what they have...good luck with that, it won't work. Being on the slow boil means someone else controls the timing and the actions enplaced...not good strategically if you love what it is we've been losing the last few decades.
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You have a point, Rastus.
Maybe another 4 years of BHO will see the Frog Pot boil over .... the fight has to come and maybe delaying it won't be doing our side any good.......
We have to believe we can start turning down the heat faster than both evils can turn it up...
One reason I am a Libertarian is that I do believe then will be turning the heat down....don't agree with all their policies, but I agree with more of theirs than either the D's or R's.
Of course, they have never been in power and who knows how well they would be able to resist the temptation to grab for more.
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Rule of thumb for you who would otherwise vote 3rd party ( a vote for BHO ).
Republicans are politicians, self serving, corrupt, flawed humans.
But they realize you shouldn't kill the goose laying the golden eggs.
Democrats on the other hand are agenda driven "Fabian's (look it up ) who not only want to kill the goose, they want to reserve the whole meal for themselves.
Go ahead and vote 3rd party, but don't expect any sympathy from me when you're bitching about the actions of BHO's 2nd term.
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In addition to what Rastus said, none of us are getting any younger...
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You have a point, Rastus.
Maybe another 4 years of BHO will see the Frog Pot boil over .... the fight has to come and maybe delaying it won't be doing our side any good.......
We have to believe we can start turning down the heat faster than both evils can turn it up...
One reason I am a Libertarian is that I do believe then will be turning the heat down....don't agree with all their policies, but I agree with more of theirs than either the D's or R's.
Of course, they have never been in power and who knows how well they would be able to resist the temptation to grab for more.
So you're saying vote for bho and hope the next 4 years brings on the boil? I'm not saying no, it is an interesting idea. As the Israelis say, if not now, when? If not me, who?
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So you're saying vote for bho and hope the next 4 years brings on the boil? I'm not saying no, it is an interesting idea. As the Israelis say, if not now, when? If not me, who?
No wasn't saying that at all... do all you can to stop him...it was more like a possible thin silver line on the darkest cloud.
Actually if he is defeated it will show enough frogs found it getting hot to quick.
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Some RINO's in Congress, have written off the POTUS, hoping and praying, the American voter gives them back the Senate...
As Rush puts it, the Rep. establishment, (which they deny exists), is scared of a Newt Nominee,...too much of a threat to their power base...and are hoping for a Rep. Congress....
Alright, that's at least something. However,
THEY ALL SUCK!!!...
Change comes from somewhere,...(like us lowly voters).... and if Newt pisses off/scares many a Carl Rove establishment RINO,,,,so be it....
Empty can rattles the most...
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So you're saying vote for bho and hope the next 4 years brings on the boil? I'm not saying no, it is an interesting idea. As the Israelis say, if not now, when? If not me, who?
I won't go so far as voting for the POS but.......
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So you're saying vote for bho and hope the next 4 years brings on the boil? I'm not saying no, it is an interesting idea. As the Israelis say, if not now, when? If not me, who?
For the record, that's a Palestinian, not Israeli slogan. Either way they are both PITAs who are too wrapped up in themselves to compromise even if it means they get to live to see tomorow. That slogan, whichever side you prefer, should be a reccomendation of what not to do. I'm thinking a Tee shirt: "The Middle East? Don't be like those guys". It should set the ground rules for any rreasonable political discourse in this country.
FQ13