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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Conagher 45 on December 26, 2011, 12:05:16 PM
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I know it has been mentioned here before but does anyone shoot GSSF matches and what calibers do you like to shoot in them?
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Haven't shot any yet and don't own a Glock yet but one of the clubs I shoot USPSA at is talking about starting GSSF matches. I have looked at the GSSF site, rules and etc. and have decided that I would probably go with a 17. You don't need anything more but can use just about model/cal and etc. you want as long as it is within the rules. I am not sure how it works, but one of the perks of joining on-line is that you get a coupon or whatever for a discount on one model that year and I guess another each year you are a member.
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Haven't shot any yet and don't own a Glock yet but one of the clubs I shoot USPSA at is talking about starting GSSF matches. I have looked at the GSSF site, rules and etc. and have decided that I would probably go with a 17. You don't need anything more but can use just about model/cal and etc. you want as long as it is within the rules. I am not sure how it works, but one of the perks of joining on-line is that you get a coupon or whatever for a discount on one model that year and I guess another each year you are a member.
I joined just to get the discount. ;D Got my gen 4 G22 for about $425. I think Alf shoots GSSF.
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I have 3 Glock 17 mags left over from when I carry a 17 for a duty weapon, I have been thinking about turning back to the dark side and purchacing a 17 and maybe a 20sf. I thought the matches looked cool and 9mm is cheaper to reload for. I have be using 124 gr. bullets for 9mm but have never experimented with 147's. Would the 147 gr. be better for knocking the plates ? :-\
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not an answer to the question, but I shoot USPSA and 3 gun with a G34 (9mm)...you get a little better sight radius, and better trigger than the G17 ....not familiar with the GSSF rules, but would suggest changing the sights to metal ones if allowed (I like Heinies) but had to go to a much taller front sight (Dawson Precision .285") to get point of aim... did not have a problem with the Heinie set with my G35 (.40SW)... also if allowed the JP mag release button is great if you have small hands.... I would suggest the Gen 3 guns if you choose 9mm...and a hardened stainless quide rod and non captured ISMI spring...147 bullets are a must for accuracy at over 25y...
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Conagher 45... a Delta Precision 147 fmj and 4.1 grains of WinSuperField gives you right around 1000fps... has taken over all the steel it has hit
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Does the G34 accept G17 mags ?
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I have 3 Glock 17 mags left over from when I carry a 17 for a duty weapon, I have been thinking about turning back to the dark side and purchacing a 17 and maybe a 20sf. I thought the matches looked cool and 9mm is cheaper to reload for. I have be using 124 gr. bullets for 9mm but have never experimented with 147's. Would the 147 gr. be better for knocking the plates ? :-\
Remember, the dark side has better cookies. ;) As for 147s, they are new to me. I usually shoot 124s, but bought a box of the heavier Golden Sabers because they were on sale. They group the same, and working on the theory that bigger is better for SD, I'll probably stick with them. For range work though, if its ringing plates I can't imagine it would make much difference (though this depends on the range, more foot pounds vs more drop and less velocity at the extended ranges). I might even look at Speer Lawman TMJ. They are supposed to very accurate and as a bonus they are fairly inexpensive. I've shot some and like them, but I generally shoot double taps at silhouettes, so I'm not trying to measure dime size groups. Just a thought.
FQ13
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Just thought the 147's would knock over the falling plates a little better if they were not hit very square. I have been looking at some of the GSSF match setups, even the rules seem to be easy enough for my simple mind to wrap around. ;D
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Does the G34 accept G17 mags ?
Yes, same frame, same mags
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I have shot both indoor league and one outdoor (the big one).
OUTDOOR:.
9mm is the best entry level, especially in Amateur Divisions. Anything else is just a handicap. Of course a .452 size hole might bump you up a point or two on the scoring rings.
Plates are gonna fall even with the most anemic 9mm. I watched plates for an hour at the nationals and never saw one that was hit that didn't fall.
Of course if you gonna shoot in the heavy metal division you must have a 10mm, .45GAP or ACP.
You can only re-enter a division if you use a different model gun on each entry. You can use the same gun in multiple divisions though. e.g., G17 for Amateur, Competitive and Unlimited. I entered Competitive and Amateur divisions. Shot my Competitive first as practice, since I didn't stand a chance there, then shot my Amateur targets. SCORES ARE FINAL from September, BTW. I officially placed 37th out of 402 and didn't win a single drawing.
INDOOR:
They don't have all the divisions in indoor, so you're best to shoot 9mm. Each re-entry must be a different gun. All must be stock. No 3rd party parts,with few exceptions. I don't think long-slides models are allowed here either. I might have to get a G19 so I can enter twice. My G23 with a conversion barrel can't be used since it isn't "stock". One gun is awarded by drawing. Other prizes are awarded by Lewis system of classification. Top third, middle third, bottom third, so even if you don't shoot well, you could still get a hat or t-shirt. Also the number of entries for the random drawings is based on the number of times you enter, (minimum 2, btw), hence the incentive to own multiple Glocks. Don't forget an indoor league is 3 different shoots over 3 months, so even with one gun you can get 3 entries.
Of course, see http://gssfonline.com (http://gssfonline.com) for details.
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I found a significant difference in accuracy with the 147s when the distance gets out to the 35 yard range, assuming due to the longer bearing surface....the 115s were 2x larger groups
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I haven't looked at the bearing surface of hollow points. Could that be why so many chose HPs, because for a given weight they are slightly longer to make up for the hollow section? Think of 9mm 124gr.
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I normaly load 124 gr. in my 9mm with titegroup. According to GSSF rules all matches are lost brass so maybe using factory CCI Blazer might be the way to go, the thought of leaving good brass lay is hard for a reloader to get past. The more I read about some of the matches , the more fun they seem to be. Any match I shoot in I just want to have safe fun, winnig the match has never occured to me. ;D
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Ah, there's a simple way around the brass issue.
Generally most places will divide the spent brass among the volunteers. I worked several matches and none of the volunteers wanted the brass, so all of it. Think 50 competitors at 50 rounds apiece...mostly 9mm.
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I noticed that GSSF had several matches schuelded with in close driving distance of my home state (Indiana) in 2011. I hope they have some this year too, might even run into PING at one of these. ;D
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I noticed that GSSF had several matches schuelded with in close driving distance of my home state (Indiana) in 2011. I hope they have some this year too, might even run into PING at one of these. ;D
Outdoor matches: If you only have 1 or 2 entries, pre-register and arrive early, you can be done in a couple of hours. I think 7 entries is the max and that would take both days to shoot. (Civilians can't shoot in the LEO categories and LEOs have to choose one or the other not both.)
An indoor match can be shot in 15 minutes, if there's no one waiting. It takes longer to signup than to shoot.
Obviously Glock is promoting their firearms, but it's a real basic entry into "action" shooting. Only a gun and 5 magazines is required. No holster, no reloading on the clock and no movement. Single target indoors and simple target arrangement outdoors.
And there is a whole community of GSSF groupies who travel around the country to shoot in these matches. Met a few and had a blast at the outdoor "nationals".
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I used my Glock 24 .40 S&W for GSSF matches. That will all change to Glock 21 and Glock 30 is .45 ACP. Love the people and the matches. Good times.
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I'm planning on shooting some this year as well. If I can make it I was going to do Clearwater next weekend but if not for sure Orlando in Feb. I was wondering, it looks like everything for the most part is 10rds, do you have to have 10rd mags or can you just download your hi-caps? Also I know it says no grip reductions or stippling is allowed so for the G17/34 I'll just use one of my Gen1/Gen2 frames but on my G19 it's a Gen3 with the finger grooves removed, no stippling no other mods, basically it's just a Gen3 frame modified to Gen2 specs. Anyone know if this is legal? If not I guess I won't be shooting G19 class.
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You can have as big a magazine as Glock makes (must be Glock), just can't have more than 10 rounds in it. I use standard G17 mags which hold 17(?). The 10 limit of course, is to make it fair to those who live in states limiting magazine capacity, and so they can conduct matches there.
I'm not clear on all the "stippling" details. You'll have to check the book.
Unless you're one of the "masters" nobody is probably going to check your gun that closely, though they could. The ROs are volunteers and they're primarily concerned about safety first, and then moving people through as quickly as possible second. Unless they see something obvious, they're not going to do any serious checking.
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You can have as big a magazine as Glock makes (must be Glock), just can't have more than 10 rounds in it. I use standard G17 mags which hold 17(?). The 10 limit of course, is to make it fair to those who live in states limiting magazine capacity, and so they can conduct matches there.
I'm not clear on all the "stippling" details. You'll have to check the book.
Unless you're one of the "masters" nobody is probably going to check your gun that closely, though they could. The ROs are volunteers and they're primarily concerned about safety first, and then moving people through as quickly as possible second. Unless they see something obvious, they're not going to do any serious checking.
That's what I figured/hoped for. The rule book seemed pretty vague since it says no reductions or stippling and even though removing finger grooves could easily be interpreted as a reduction, material is taken off after all, it doesn't fit into the "normal reduction" that people pay for, the grip angle. If you didn't know what you were looking at you'd think it was just some bastard hybrid Gen2.5, the grip of a Gen2 but with a frame rail. On another note does anyone have any idea how long it takes to get your GSSF membership package back once you join? I sent mine in a couple weeks ago but haven't received anything. If it's not back by next weekend I wonder if they have a way to look it up if I can make the Clearwater match.
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Don't quote me but I think the rules wanted everything to be stock with exception of a few items. Cannot remember what items they were??? ???
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That's what I figured/hoped for. The rule book seemed pretty vague since it says no reductions or stippling and even though removing finger grooves could easily be interpreted as a reduction, material is taken off after all, it doesn't fit into the "normal reduction" that people pay for, the grip angle. If you didn't know what you were looking at you'd think it was just some bastard hybrid Gen2.5, the grip of a Gen2 but with a frame rail. On another note does anyone have any idea how long it takes to get your GSSF membership package back once you join? I sent mine in a couple weeks ago but haven't received anything. If it's not back by next weekend I wonder if they have a way to look it up if I can make the Clearwater match.
Yep, for outdoor matches they bring laptops and can look up any registration up until the last minute. They're a pretty good bunch. I've called and talked to Melanie several times about some minor issues. (they forgot to mark me as a senior) I sent mine in the week of an indoor match and she emailed me my registration number. I suspect if your registration is "in process" they'll connect it with your scores after the match. BTW, they take up to 3 months to process match results to insure they get everything right. The "nationals" held in September weren't finalized until December.
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Indoor seems to be catching on at some of the indoor ranges.
Shot at the Bullseye-Marksman in Cumming, Ga. on Saturday. Here's the course of fire.
Target #1
10rnds @ 30' in 15 sec
10rnds @ 75' in 30 sec
Target #2
10rnds @ 75' in 15 sec
10rnds @ 30' in 15 sec
10rnds @ 21' in 15 sec
I did alright. Not a winning score but 463/500. Should have done better.
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Shot again last night at Hi-Caliber in Holly Springs, GA.
10 @ 10yds
10 @ 25yds
10 @ 25yds
10 @ 15yds
10 @ 7.5yds
A core group hung around and they did the drawing right there since this was the 3rd stage in the match. No, I didn't win. I was basically 2nd in Class B (473). Winning score was 491.