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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on January 02, 2012, 06:15:44 PM
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Links to .gov websites at link...Not that there is anything to worry about....
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/new_nationwide_fema_camps_should_raise_eyebrows.html#ixzz1iJZm2t2Q
January 2, 2012
New Nationwide FEMA Camps Should Raise Eyebrows
By Alan P. Halbert
Of all the rumors flying around on the internet, one just refuses to die, and it concerns America's FEMA camps.
In a nutshell, there seems to be a solicitation of bids occurring for the staffing of FEMA camps within 72 hours of implementation by an order from either Homeland Security or the president. This situation begs to be investigated, with special consideration paid to the motives of the present administration.
I went to the source, the FedBizOpps.gov, and searched for the solicitation number HSFEHQ-10-R-0027, titled National Responder Support Camp.
A search of the history of the amendments to this Solicitation for Contract showed that it had been modified several times, with the last modification -- number 0008, with an original date of letting out to bid with a synopsis of May 13, 2011 -- occurring on December 16, 2011. This last modification rescinded the solicitation, with said modification's purpose noted as follows:
1. Cancel Solicitation HSFEHQ-10-R-0027.
2. A new draft solicitation will be issued on January 2012 for industry comment.
3. A Pre-Solicitation Conference will be held approximately two week post draft solicitation.
Okay...score one for the internet and the vigilant citizens who perform an invaluable service to our nation by monitoring the actions of our government and its various agencies.
I began the laborious task of reading the Invitation to Bid -- this tome is 116, pages with many canned and boilerplate requirements for doing business with Uncle Sam duly enshrined amongst the pages. The Task Order Request (TOPR) under Scenario I & II under Section J of the Appendix made for another 42 pages. The required size of the camps was fluid, though they had the required capacity of 301 to two thousand, including security and camp cadre.
The staffing requirements or cadre for FEMA personnel for these camps -- which are identified as being located in five (5) distinct regions throughout and within the borders of the USA, with camps located in each and every state -- was three to fifteen each. The size of these camps will vary around 5 acres per 1,000 inhabitants, though they will never be less than 3 acres for populations of 500 or fewer inhabitants within the camps' boundaries.
This requirement also had a minimum square footage for each inhabitant: either the camp's cadre and first responders of 63 square feet, or approximately 8 feet on each side. This is slightly less than current Federal Court(s) requirements for housing prisoners, which is approximately 72 square feet. Perimeter fencing or barricades is required to be six feet high, enclosing the camp, with all traffic in or out to be recorded on a daily log and with security restricting all traffic and access. The contractor shall also provide fencing and barricades around areas which are "off limits" to occupants. ID Badges are required and are either blue or red, depending on the carrier is temporary or considered an occupant of the camp.
The first of several anomalies in the solicitation for bid was in the contractor staffing requirements, which puzzlingly required staff to be fully operational within 72 hours. Furthermore, "[w]henever practical, displaced citizens will be given the first opportunities for employment within the camp, assuming skills and capabilities are pertinent for the open positions."
This led me to question the stated purpose of these camps, considering that the successful contractor would need to have personnel ready to go on such short notice, with notification from FEMA, Homeland Security, or the president within 72 hours. So the question arises: how could the camp utilize "displaced citizens" in the initial staffing unless the contractor knew where and when a disaster, man-made or otherwise would occur beforehand?
Another anomaly was the requirement that the "off limits" area was to be enclosed before anything else:
The contractor shall also provide fencing and barricades around areas which are "off limits" to occupants. Fencing and barricades are required within 36 hours for "phased" setup timeframes, and 72 hours for the rest of the initial setup timeframe.
Next question: just what is this "off limits" area to be used for, since the bid proposal specified only two (2) classes of occupants of the camp -- temporary or occupant as first responder? Furthermore, it indicates that there may be a camp within the camp, or an area that is to be utilized by another group that is not revealed in the bid solicitation...your guess is as good as mine. Most Americans would not like the ambiguity of this area's function!
Another question arose on the Term of the Contract (F.3), which reads as follows:
The contract shall be effective as of the execution date of the base contract, and shall continue up to five years if all four one-year options are exercised, except that delivery orders placed prior to the expiration date shall remain in full force and effect until deliveries have been completed and payments, therefore, have been made. The final delivery order shall not exceed two years.
The nature of the duration seems to belie a long-term use for these camps, which is also not fitting the transitory nature of natural disasters, with most communities being habitable again after a relatively short period of time. We're talking months, not years.
Under the Principal Place of Performance (F.4), this solicitation implies that all of the areas outlined below must be staffed:
The effort required under this contract shall be performed in the United States. Task Orders will designate the exact locations where services will be provided. The five (5) areas of coverage are broken down as follows:
Area 1: Includes the states of CT, DC, DE, MA, MD, ME, NH, NJ, PA, VT, NY, WV, VA, RI
Area 2: Includes the states of KY, TN, MS, AL, GA, SC, NC, FL
Area 3: Includes the states of CO, IA, IL, IN, KS, MI, MN, MO, MT, ND, NE, OH, SD, UT, WI, WY
Area 4: Includes the states of AR, LA, NM, OK, TX
Area 5: Includes the states of AZ, CA, ID, NV, OR, WA
The language is specific in that all requirements are performed in the United States. However, the language does not specify that it would be a phased approach or even a localized area that experiences a natural disaster -- simply the entire nation.
In the Task Order Proposal Request, there is a specific requirement for large vehicle parking:
Special Requirements:
- Outsized Vehicle Parking within Security Area (> 2.5 ton vehicles): Estimate required space and add to acreage requirement.
- Outsized vehicle parking outside security area (> 2.5 ton vehicles): Estimate required space and add to acreage requirement.
- Mission Support Work Area(s): Minimum square footage, Accessibility
These requirements suggest that the type of vehicle(s) will be either solely high-occupancy (i.e., buses) or large trucks or heavy equipment combined with buses. The interesting point about this section is that the authors allude to a "Security Area" and an "Unsecured Area" with no specific requirements coming forth.
To sum up: the solicitation to bid for the staffing of FEMA camps within 72 hours is a curious proposition, since it appears to predict a calamity that will affect the entire nation simultaneously --completely unlike a location-specific natural disaster.
This may be nothing more than a preparedness exercise by Homeland Security to see if anyone besides the military would be able to meet these stringent requirements for rapid deployment. However, what I found most striking was the "off limits" areas within each camp and staffing with "displaced persons" and the "Mission Support Work Area(s)," all undefined. As citizens, we need to know the exact purpose of these camps, given President Obama's propensity to bend our constitutional republic to his own purposes!
(All documents can be found at this website for the GSA Federal Business Opportunities.)
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/new_nationwide_fema_camps_should_raise_eyebrows.html#ixzz1iLiRIs6v
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Sure am glad I got that extra tinfoil.........
AND 1000RDS!!!
Go to the links, check it out for yourself.....Somethings afoot.......and to quote Mel Brooks,...."It stinks on ice"....
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After Katrina, according to the 1st Responders from our area who went down to LA to help, FEMA had entire sections of buildings and open spaces allocated to them and theirs - with armed FEMA guards (not rent-a-cops from Joe's Security and Screen Door Company) not allowing anyone near, and were really rather rude to the ambulance drivers and EMTs who had the temerity to even approach the guards.
Something is up, folks. Each of these little glimpses (FEMA camps, NDAA, all of the clauses to the Patriot Act, FEMA's power to suspend the Constitution, etc.) are like pieces to a puzzle, a puzzle I do not want to see finished. The folks running this show are putting all of the pieces on the table so they can assemble it very quickly, and we will never know what hit us.
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After Katrina, according to the 1st Responders from our area who went down to LA to help, FEMA had entire sections of buildings and open spaces allocated to them and theirs - with armed FEMA guards (not rent-a-cops from Joe's Security and Screen Door Company) not allowing anyone near, and were really rather rude to the ambulance drivers and EMTs who had the temerity to even approach the guards.
Something is up, folks. Each of these little glimpses (FEMA camps, NDAA, all of the clauses to the Patriot Act, FEMA's power to suspend the Constitution, etc.) are like pieces to a puzzle, a puzzle I do not want to see finished. The folks running this show are putting all of the pieces on the table so they can assemble it very quickly, and we will never know what hit us.
That power does not exist, and if they think it does they are in for a rude awakening >:(
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where do I submit my bids on this contract?
;)
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That power does not exist, and if they think it does they are in for a rude awakening >:(
Actually the legal mechanism has been in place since carter formed FEMA.
And before you go off on a rant it is perfectly Constitutional.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Article1
Section 9 - Limits on Congress
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.[/color]
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
It is also worth note that while the 12th Amendment specifies the States it makes no mention of the federal Govt.
Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
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Now that is interesting.
It seems the founding fathers gave the government the means to resist revolt and at the same time, gave the citizens the means and the responsibility and the example to rebel against a government gone bad.
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I've often said that despite what the ACLU would have you believe, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.
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if you go to the original article and read all the comments, at least to me, it sounds like a center for the FEMA employees to be staged from or based out....rather than, bringing "refugees" and "people in need of re-education".
Having been in the military, this does not sound a whole lot different than ....IIRC, War Reserve Materiel (WRM) that is US equipment stationed at pre-positioned locations all over the globe...and especially in Saudi Arabia.
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if you go to the original article and read all the comments, at least to me, it sounds like a center for the FEMA employees to be staged from or based out....rather than, bringing "refugees" and "people in need of re-education".
Having been in the military, this does not sound a whole lot different than ....IIRC, War Reserve Materiel (WRM) that is US equipment stationed at pre-positioned locations all over the globe...and especially in Saudi Arabia.
I agree, from the wording I would say that they are looking for contractors that can come in at a moments notice to secure a site for first responders, and refugees. They would use locals for labor that are being displaced by the formation of this site.
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hmmm, anyone have a link to the project specs? will bid this mofo out.
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That power does not exist, and if they think it does they are in for a rude awakening >:(
The people in New Orleans who were disarmed at gunpoint by the military "for their own safety" would probably disagree with you. I particularly recall a 70 year old lady thrown to the ground and robbed of her snub nose .38 while in her own home harming no one. Katrina was a great test run for the feds.
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I wish I had paid more attention when that whole Katrina thing went down. I remember the NRA did an article or two in their American Rifleman magazine about a gun toting civilian or two who used their guns lawfully to chase off ne'er-do-wells so they could get out of NOLA. I wish I had kept those magazines are clipped out the articles. Well, I probably still have the magazines but wouldn't even know where to start looking.
anywhooo...considering how heavily subsidized Amtrak is, I have to wonder why the NOLA residents weren't just put on trains and take out of NOLA.
(http://www.mapsofworld.com/images2008/printable-maps/louisiana-railway-map.jpg)
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This video provides just a glimpse of the abuse of authority that occurred during Katrina... I followed this story and the NRA's involvement very closely. Watching this still makes me angry enough to spit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4)
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I wish I had paid more attention when that whole Katrina thing went down. I remember the NRA did an article or two in their American Rifleman magazine about a gun toting civilian or two who used their guns lawfully to chase off ne'er-do-wells so they could get out of NOLA. I wish I had kept those magazines are clipped out the articles. Well, I probably still have the magazines but wouldn't even know where to start looking.
anywhooo...considering how heavily subsidized Amtrak is, I have to wonder why the NOLA residents weren't just put on trains and take out of NOLA.
Might have been a several reasons.
1. Were the rail lines intact/
2. Was there enough capacity to handle the evacuation in the time frame as it developed?
3. Who orders the engineers to man trains going into a major disaster area? The folks who were at the stadium refused to evacuate till it was too late.
4. Even if they did manage to find engineers and had the capacity, they would need to find communities willing/able to absorb the influx when they might have been stretched already.
I did read unfavorable stories about those who were eventually moved to Houston, but I do not know if the incidents related were true....but if they were, it would be a deterrent to any community to try to assist them.
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anywhooo...considering how heavily subsidized Amtrak is, I have to wonder why the NOLA residents weren't just put on trains and take out of NOLA.
Mayor Ray "Chocolate city" "Nogun" Nagan told the empty trains and buses that were sent that they would not be needed and sent them away empty.
(Before the A holes strike I will clarify. He said it to represetitives of Amtrak and Greyhound. I realize vehicles don't listen well. ;D )