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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on January 06, 2012, 04:18:35 PM
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New Year's Eve. From the local paramedic's perspective in broken down Ambulances,.....listen to all that gunfire!!! :o....Sounds like Iraqi war footage...
Video at link.
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/detroit-ems-rig-stranded-as-gunfire-rings-in-the-new-year-20120103-ms
Forget escape from New York,....build a wall around Detroit, and let them sort it out.
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Long-time Dummycrap stronghold...
The Detroit Dummycrap gubmint, in concert with the yoonyuns has managed to drive every legitimate business out of the city leaving it to the gangsters and drug sellers. And all of them are on some sort of welfare.
I'm not sure a wall would do the trick--some of 'em might escape. I think the place needs a tactical nuke strike.
Sheesh...
Crusader
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Just make sure the wind isn't blowing my way when they nuke it.
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Just make sure the wind isn't blowing my way when they nuke it.
You know it rarely blows to the northwest Frank! It'll blow into Canada, Ohio and Upstate NY!
;) No worries!
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But.....but.....wait a minute? According to all of the shows on (libtard) TV networks, Detroit is doing great, a revival even!!!
<Notice the not so subtle appropriation of a religious term in how they describe the wonders of Detroit City?>
Unpossible!!!!
[/sarcasm]
I love the reporter, you could tell he was pissed. Maybe a professional act, but I think not. The butthole "News Anchor" tried to gloss it over, saving face for the city, and when he asked the reporter about the ambulances, saying "So when will they (new ambulances) get here?" the reporter responded "They ain't coming!" with a wonderful, honest tone of disdain. Love it.
Bet that reporter gets lots of face time with the Mayor of Detroit - NOT!!!!! ;D
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Ah ya wusses! It's been like that since the early eighties. (when I was old enough to notice.) Hell everyone there knows that on New Years Eve and the Fourth that all the cops park under the freeway overpasses for an hour to let the shooting die down.
The cops had to run in packs of three just for routine traffic stops because of drive by's on them. In 1994 EMTs were being shot at everynight for a few months.
Besides, this is a great example of what a smaller government gets you.
PS: I bet the mayor gets re-elected.
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Ah ya wusses! It's been like that since 1968! (when I was old enough to notice.) Hell everyone there knows that on New Years Eve and the Fourth that all the cops park under the freeway overpasses for an hour to let the shooting die down.
The cops had to run in packs of three just for routine traffic stops because of drive by's on them. In 1994 EMTs were being shot at everynight for a few months.
Besides, this is a great example of what a smaller government gets you.
PS: I bet the mayor gets re-elected.
Fixed it for ya...
I remember like it was yesterday living in Grand Rapids! About 150 miles away we had an 8:00 pm curfew in the city!
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Besides, this is a great example of what a smaller LIBERAL government gets you.
Now its fixed....
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I do recall when the Tigers won the 1984 World Series about a dozen Detroit Police cars got turned over and torched as a celebration!
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In 1961 Detroit was an industrial showcase for the world.
That was the year the Dems and unions took over.
Now they are bulldozing abandoned neighborhoods.
They have the most costly school system in the country and a 25% graduation rate.
A kid starting High School in Detroit has a better chance of being jailed or killed than of graduating.
And we must never forget.
They brought it on themselves, this is how they want us all to live.
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As Chrysler touts the 300 as the thugmobile from Dtrroit, I can't help but wonder how broad their target market was intended to be..
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In 1961 Detroit was an industrial showcase for the world.
That was the year the Dems and unions took over.
Now they are bulldozing abandoned neighborhoods.
Actually they started dismanteling Detroit after WW-II. See it was built up heavily during and just after WW-I because it was "safely" inland, yet in a spot where the building resources could easily be shipped by multiple routes. It was the proverbial basket full of eggs.
After Pearl Harbor, many companies moved out of Detroit leaving the big three. That made Detroit just like any other city that has one resource supporting it. Think of any coal mining town. All the other businesses ther were built main to support the auto industry and/ or the people working for it. Kinda like the big boom up in North Dakota for work on the oil reserve. Now throw in the competition from imports that also came after the war. Just like the big three tv channels lost revinue and markets to cable so did the big three auto companies. (like anything else would happen in a free market society.)
Even if there weren't any riots or rapid bugging out of the city, it would've shrank. The big three held their monopoly and refused to let anyone threaten their power.
And forget the whole "Liberal" angle. The corruption in Detroit will happen to every city, state, and country that has their government "Downsized" because those high up in office will make sure that they and their buddies keep as much as they can and will finangle, weasel, and red tape their way into getting it. I don't care what side of the party line your on. This will happen.
They have the most costly school system in the country and a 25% graduation rate.
A kid starting High School in Detroit has a better chance of being jailed or killed than of graduating.
When all they see is what's inside the city and no role strong positive role model, what do you expect? Again it's the same in small mining towns that went bust. (Crystal Meth)
And we must never forget.
They brought it on themselves, this is how they want us all to live.
No. This is how the ideas of Police States become popular. (If we had a cop on every block with full auto AR's we'd be safe and could walk around unafraid.)
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As Chrysler touts the 300 as the thugmobile from Dtrroit, I can't help but wonder how broad their target market was intended to be..
I love their positioning statement: "Imported from Detroit". That's as close as they can get to the truth without ripping off Texas' positioning statement with, "Detroit, it's like a whole other country."
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They should do "The Best Defense: Detroit" if it's filmed in the summer it'll have that Katrina aftermath feel without having to deal with all the water and the national guard.
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The neighbor hoods being bulldozed were built in the 60's and 70's.
Even Allentown Pa has not become the shithole Detroit has.
So none of that stuff about "downsizing" rings true since it has not repeated else where.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GKXj_CVNjPo/Tf0yb_1gFKI/AAAAAAAAAD8/JkVyMZOVqeA/s1600/NukeOrbit.jpg)
Remember that Rudy Reyes guy, the Marine Corps guy who also acted in Generation Kill and was like a military consultant for the mini-series...he went on to do that show Apocalypse Man???
From what I understand, that was filmed in Detroit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyZuvLo4eJA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLA316FAB742BF0530
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Remember that Rudy Reyes guy, the Marine Corps guy who also acted in Generation Kill and was like a military consultant for the mini-series...he went on to do that show Apocalypse Man???
From what I understand, that was filmed in Detroit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyZuvLo4eJA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLA316FAB742BF0530
Umm, No
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well, click on the link. that's why I provided it.
I think Apocalypse Man came out on Discovery or History Channel about the same time Michael Bane and a few other experts were being interviewed for a during the apocalypse bird flu/regular flu outbreak "documentary". it showed a family trying to flee Los Angeles.
that's why I was thinking you guys might remember it.
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Quote from: tombogan03884 on Today at 05:05:03 pm
"And we must never forget.
They brought it on themselves, this is how they want us all to live."
No. This is how the ideas of Police States become popular. (If we had a cop on every block with full auto AR's we'd be safe and could walk around unafraid.)
What are you talking about??? Detroit is result of Liberals, Democrats and Unions soaking the Big Three for the last 50 years. Look at the taxes on housing, the first house that sold for $1 that made the papers everywhere paid $3000 in property taxes a year-FOR 1300 SQFT IN THE HOOD!
Forget increasing the police force, you need to arm the EMTs and civilians.
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Actually they started dismanteling Detroit after WW-II. See it was built up heavily during and just after WW-I because it was "safely" inland, yet in a spot where the building resources could easily be shipped by multiple routes. It was the proverbial basket full of eggs.
After Pearl Harbor, many companies moved out of Detroit leaving the big three. That made Detroit just like any other city that has one resource supporting it. Think of any coal mining town. All the other businesses ther were built main to support the auto industry and/ or the people working for it. Kinda like the big boom up in North Dakota for work on the oil reserve. Now throw in the competition from imports that also came after the war. Just like the big three tv channels lost revinue and markets to cable so did the big three auto companies. (like anything else would happen in a free market society.)
Even if there weren't any riots or rapid bugging out of the city, it would've shrank. The big three held their monopoly and refused to let anyone threaten their power.
And forget the whole "Liberal" angle. The corruption in Detroit will happen to every city, state, and country that has their government "Downsized" because those high up in office will make sure that they and their buddies keep as much as they can and will finangle, weasel, and red tape their way into getting it. I don't care what side of the party line your on. This will happen.
When all they see is what's inside the city and no role strong positive role model, what do you expect? Again it's the same in small mining towns that went bust. (Crystal Meth)
No. This is how the ideas of Police States become popular. (If we had a cop on every block with full auto AR's we'd be safe and could walk around unafraid.)
Um, no?
Most of the car makers were NOT in Detroit to begin with. For example, Studebaker (yeah, gone now but a big company in its day) was in South Bend, IN. Stutz was in Indiana too.
Detroit failed due to the arrogance of the politicians thinking nothing could ever change the situation. Even as it changed, like when Packard moved out to South Bend, the politicians sat on their asses and did nothing to bring in unrelated industries or adapt in any way. Then the libtards took over, hand in hand with the unions, and we see the result today.
Yes corruption is rampant in cities, even in "successful" cities like LA, NYC or Chicago. That alone cannot and does not explain Detroit - this is the result of incompetence, self-interest voting by the poor (i.e., the "gimme" factor when there was no money for the gimme but the .gov gave anyhow - classic libtard behavior), and the utter intransigence of the unions and the city .gov.
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What are you talking about??? Detroit is result of Liberals, Democrats and Unions soaking the Big Three for the last 5 45 years. Look at the taxes on housing, the first house that sold for $1 that made the papers everywhere paid $3000 in property taxes a year-FOR 1300 SQFT IN THE HOOD!
Forget increasing the police force, you need to arm the EMTs and civilians.
FIFY
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Really Path?
And what personal experience of living in Detroit do you have to point all this out? I've got 25 years under my belt. Life experiences from 1969 to 1994. I'll even shave off 6 of those years and go from when I first really stared noticing things at 6 years old. You got that kind of personal experience there?
Anyone else?
Yes in the 1900 many auto companies were outside of Detroit. What percentage of them outside Detroit made it to the roaring twenties? What percentage made it past the depression? With the factories in one general area, it was more cost efficient to build in Detroit for three to five companies under each big three listing. Less overhead, more profit, more cusion to undercut the in country competition.
The Big Three own Detroit. You complain about the unions screwing up Detroit, how about when Henry Ford built his Model T factory in Highland Park. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=highland+park+mi&hl=en&hnear=Highland+Park,+Wayne,+Michigan&gl=us&t=h&z=13&vpsrc=0 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=highland+park+mi&hl=en&hnear=Highland+Park,+Wayne,+Michigan&gl=us&t=h&z=13&vpsrc=0)
He build all these apartments and houses for his worker's and would have his "Jack booted thugs" go into each one of them on a scheduled basis in search of boose or anything else he felt "unsavory" or "morally corrupt". If they found it, the worker was fired and the family immediately eivicted! This mentality caused the creation of unions in the first place. And this is coming from a guy that's never worked for a union in his entire life!
Detroit failed due to the arrogance of the politicians thinking nothing could ever change the situation
Wrong.
Detroit became what it is because Mayor Colman A. Young did have a vision to change it... into a wierd hybrid of his own country and reservation. Government money would come in and he would use it anyway he deemed right. He built up a strong machine to get the most money for him and his friends while keeping the areas where the Big Three kept their buildings safe. Everything else didn't matter to him.
Mayor Young ran Detroit like the mafia. Don't like it? Pttthp! Bang! Nobody of importance ran against him, until Archer back in 92 or 93. Throw in the stagflation of the seventies, Chrystler's bankrupsty in the early eighties, near bankruptsy in the mid eighties, more annd more market share lost to imports, lack of letting outsiders in due to a threat to Mayor Young's power, the whole Libtards vs. Conservaturds mentality... You get it yet?
Path's own words and viewpoints, which were said by many in the outer suburbs, were used as a rallying cry for Mayor Young. When things eroded, he just pointed to the conservative politicians and claimed that they were the reason why Detroit was falling. He'd state the conservatives wanted Detroit to fail and that they were doing their best to make it happen. And it was an easy sell. After all, most of the people living there were there before the riots and saw the discrimination first hand or, later on, heard it from their parents. There was still a lot of misguided anger and it was used as a tool to keep Young in power (and inheritants of his political machine in power today).
Now to answer Magoo.
What are you talking about??? Detroit is result of Liberals, Democrats and Unions soaking the Big Three for the last 5 years. Look at the taxes on housing, the first house that sold for $1 that made the papers everywhere paid $3000 in property taxes a year-FOR 1300 SQFT IN THE HOOD!
Forget increasing the police force, you need to arm the EMTs and civilians
First of all the big three don't buy or own those houses. Ordinary people do and they are the ones taxed. The big three get tax breaks on their buildings and more security than the average person.
Second, Did you check the back taxes on that house? Many people just let the taxes slide.
Third, to explain the "Police State" statement. You say arm the EMTs and the civillians. You forgot one thing. Getting the civilians to work together. You need a sense of community and that ain't there. It's street over street and groups over groups. Plus they don't want to be the ones to take that first step. It's much easier to get the police or national guard to do the dirty work any way. That's the mentality.
To reply to Tyler. Yes it was filmed in Detroit. That was in the upper warehouse/factory district along I-94. And anyone can just give up and say, "Nuke it." Let's see some real skills and see how to fix it.
And to Devzal. To survive Detroit is easy. Stay low. Stay quiet. Don't have kids. Keep inside. Use the busses to the suburbs if you don't have a car. And turn out the lights when the shooting starts.
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Actually, Ulmas's opinion is no better than an eye witness statement (notoriously flawed).
He has been a long time resident therefore his objectivity is in serious doubt compared to others who have watched the news and dispassionately compared results.
Also, several of his statements do not track with reported news stories over the decades.
I am NOT calling Ulmas a liar.
I am saying his connection to the city distorts his perspective.
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So, my view that New Hampshire is full of rude anti-social cranks is more valid than that of a resident opposing me, since I don't live there and can therefore be objective? ;D
FQ13
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So, my view that New Hampshire is full of rude anti-social cranks is more valid than that of a resident opposing me, since I don't live there and can therefore be objective? ;D
FQ13
No. because he is a witness trying to convince us.
I on the other hand am a participant and don't give a hoot what you think. ;D
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Ok. Convince you of what? I want to see if my message is clear.
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Ok. Convince you of what? I want to see if my message is clear.
That Detroit is just victim, not a pit of liberal incompetence and union greed.
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Thanks Ulmus, I know how to survive in the D, I moved to the northern suburbs.
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Good for you Devzal. ;D
Tom, It looks like you didn't get my message. Some of the people in Detroit are victims. Some are incompetent. Some are greedy. Some are generous with what they have. Some are lazy. Some are hard working. Some are good. Some are bad. Most are inbetween.
I pointed out various reasons as to what collectively had caused the situation and is causing it's continuation. It's not just one or two things. It's way more complex than that.
You say that my being from innercity Detroit compromises my judgement. By your own arguement, it could be said that your open antagonism to liberals and unions slants your judgement to the point of allowing facts that show problems caused by people of the conservative side and or corporations. All sides contribute to the problems. Inside the city, outside. In the state and in the country. Each to a lesser degree.
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I forgot.
Go Lions!
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Ulmas, we've had this debate before and I laid out the historical facts backing my position, complete with refrences.
I'm not wasting my time doing it again.
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We always got a "hostile fire bonus" working Dispatch on New Years in Fresno. There were more than one hole in the tops of peoples cars New Years Day.
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I lived in and around Detroit from 1966 to 2008 (with time out for the Army in 1984 and my trip to Europe in 1991). I drove an Armored car and worked security for 14 years. A lot of my families friends were cops and city workers back in the day as well, so I got a better perspective on a lot of the crap going on.
Detroit was run into the ground by a corrupt political system as long as I was there, with Colman and his cronies looting the city budget and running various criminal enterprises and then being replaced by inept people with better intentions (Archer) and thugs who thought they could do like Colman (Kilpatrick).
The real problem was Detroit was always divided into what were essentially ethnic enclaves. Black neighborhoods, Hispanic, Italian (my own 'hood), Polish, you name it. People always looked for what they could get for their area and screw the rest. The downtown area was what the city wanted to improve to make it a showpiece for the city. Everyone was out for themselves and figured that anything anybody else got was coming out of their hides. Colman was the master of playing off the various areas against one another to get reelected and to get more money from the state and Fed's, too much of which went into the pockets of him and his buds. The shift of whites out of the city reduced the ethnic diversity of the neighborhoods in the '70's and '80's but the neighborhood identities stayed.
The unions, both the UAW as well as the city unions and whatnot played into the mess, mostly to increase their own power-base and fatten their wallets. The auto industry didn't care about anything but their profits as well, which is why they only did anything inside the city when they got huge incentives to do so.
The effect was to create a jumbled mess with each area fighting for what it could get, political power devolving into 'how much loot can we get' and the actual people in the neighborhoods not giving a damn about anything but what might happen in their own few square miles. The idea that people see themselves as 'Detroiters' except when one of the local sports franchises is playing is ridiculous. Ask a native where they are from and they will tell you which area they are from, Del-Ray, Dexter-Davidson, Downtown or Southwest, Northeast or whatever, which means nothing at all to anyone who is not a local.
The dependance on the automobile industry is again more a function of politics than reality. Most of the plants have been in the suburbs for years and the few workers who live in the city commute to work, the ones who didn't leave the city to escape the higher taxes and crime. GM headquarters might be in the Ren-Cen, but that is only because they got a huge deal from the city to move there. I laugh at the Chrysler commercials, they only have the Jefferson plant in the city since the Conner plant closed. They ought to say 'Assembled in Detroit and it's suburbs, from parts from Mexico, Canada and Thailand'.
The bottom line is that only a few real people care about the city as a whole and they are outnumbered by the people who just want what they can get for themselves or just want to get the hell out. The shift in demographics as new people enter the city to take advantage of the cheap real-estate and who have a vision for what the city could be might change this in the future, but I doubt it. The city would be much better off if they busted it up into 6 or 10 smaller cities (Detroit is huge geographically at 139 sq. miles) but of course that will never happen as the political parties do not want to have to spend more money on taking over a half-dozen cities when they can just win one election.
Detroit is doomed under the current conditions. The high taxes and corrupt nature of the cities political system will not allow real change politically and the isolationist nature of the neighborhood system will always pit the people against one another. Crime cannot be cured as long as the city maintains a monopoly on force and the police department itself is filled with budding politicians at the top and semi-reformed street-thugs at the bottom (I won't go into the dozens of examples of the cops being no more than an official street-gang but it is nothing but the truth and the few good cops can only keep their heads down and do their best).