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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on January 12, 2012, 07:58:56 PM
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http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/romney-should-make-conservatives-squirm?CID=examiner_alerts_article
Romney SHOULD make ‘conservatives squirm’
David Codrea
, Gun Rights Examiner
January 11, 2012 -
“Romney secures front-runner status with New Hampshire win, looks to take momentum into South Carolina,” Fox News reports. This follows the former Massachusetts governor’s win in Iowa.
Not escaping media notice is a new meme: “Conservatives squirm.”
The thing is, they’re right—and no one is squirming more than gun owners. That’s because, in spite of trying to clean up his image with the help of the NRA, they will never forget his words and deeds when he had the political power to make a difference:
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“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts,” Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony on July 1 with legislators, sportsmen’s groups and gun safety advocates. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”
He has never apologized, said he was wrong, asked for forgiveness, articulated his understanding of the right to keep and bear arms or sworn to never again betray freedom.
No matter. If his momentum holds, we’ll no doubt see a move to bestow “favorite son” status on him once more. As a way to celebrate “American Values,” NRA Leadership-style…
“But if we don’t vote for Mitt, Obama will win!” we’ll no doubt be told.
“We’re one Supreme Court vote away from a reversal of Heller!” we’ll be warned. “We’ll lose our Second Amendment rights!”
A couple things—if Republicans realized we are in a cold civil war against ideological enemies and stopped acting like…nah, no use even going there. For the most part, they are, always have been and always will be the party of negotiable "principles." Still, there’s nothing that says a Senate with guts couldn’t just block any unacceptable Supreme Court nominees indefinitely. The weak point is the “guts” part.
Also, they’re not “Second Amendment rights.” No one can take them from you unless you surrender them. Some of us will not.
Really.
And here’s another thing: A Romney candidacy will play right into the hands of the Democrats, who believe his advancement is “good news” because they consider him “the weakest candidate” against their man, which will then bring about that which his apologists tell us we should most fear. Besides, you know when MTV throws out a puff piece, the talking points have been passed out and the complicit media fix is in.
It’s not like he isn’t falling for it, pledging back how he can be the biggest compromiser.
The late Republican strategist Lee Atwater is reputed to have said about gun owners something to the effect of “Who else are they going to vote for?” They relied on taking our votes for granted and for the most part, they've been proven right. And we’ve seen the disastrous results of swallowing principles and voting for the likes of Bob Dole and John McCain.
Here’s a reality for those who would dismiss everything I’ve written so far and come back with the conclusion that if we don’t hold our noses and vote for Romney, Obama will retain the presidency. Forget everything else and focus on this:
What coach inspires his team to the championship with a plea for them to not suck too bad?
Can you really expect to win if you can’t galvanize and motivate your base? Will those who might grudgingly and ashamedly vote for the RINO be enthusiastic enough to donate money to the campaign, work for it, put up signs, volunteer for phone trees and poll watching, write persuasive letters to the editor, or do any of the innumerable things needed for victory?
Can it be done without a critical mass of true believers who have fire in their bellies and a message to inspire their friends and neighbors?
How?
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I'm not voting for Mitt,...in the FL primary,....If he is the "presumptive nominee" I will vote for him to spare another 4 years of BHO.. (God Willing)...
But I will not support the NRA any longer, I don;t need them to secure my 2nd Amendment Rights....
Enough of the games,..
"If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA)
Spoken from a true anti-gun-assclown,...and mirrored by our Presumptive Nominee.....
Sorry,....nothing about Mass...gives me warm and fuzzies...
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I beg all forum members to vote for any body but that POS Romney in your state primaries.
But get used to the idea of voting for him in Nov or else get used to the idea of for more years of BO.
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But I will not support the NRA any longer, I don;t need them to secure my 2nd Amendment Rights....
That's a shame.
While no one agrees with everything any organization does, I think we would have lost our 2A rights long ago if it had not been for the NRA. And the NRA serves many roles other than the legislative and political roles. The training and educational programs reach millions of folks... just think of one - the Eddie Eagle program. Firearm related accidents and deaths are at an all-time low and I believe the NRA deserves some of the credit for that. The kids' camps and NRA-sponsored competitions are responsible for introducing thousands of new shooters to the shooting sports. These are all good things.
There are things I wish the NRA would do differently but I will continue to support them just as I have for many years.
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It wasn't NRA behind either the Heller or McDonald cases.
Those were both the Second Amendment Foundation.
The NRA urged not rocking the boat.
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The ILA folks piss me off on a regular basis, but even if the NRA got out of the politics business altogether (and I hope they don't), I'd still support the NRA, as without the firearms safety classes and the like we'd have a lot fewer new members in the community.
FQ13
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The ILA folks piss me off on a regular basis, but even if the NRA got out of the politics business altogether (and I hope they don't), I'd still support the NRA, as without the firearms safety classes and the like we'd have a lot fewer new members in the community.
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Every time the ILA tries to pull some business like it (tried) in 08 with Harry Reid, I lose more "faith" in the whole organization.. I don't see it not waiting and endorsing Romney rather than going ahead and supporting Perry now, (beause Perry really is the best friend the gun owner has in this race), because ILA tends to want to curry favor with the winner rather than standing up to try to win, itself, in the front end..
I'm still pissed about Reid.. It takes me a loooong time to forget..
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It wasn't NRA behind either the Heller or McDonald cases.
Those were both the Second Amendment Foundation.
The NRA urged not rocking the boat.
Actually, although the NRA was not involved in the planning or filing of the Heller case, it was the NRA brief that seemed to move the SCOTUS more than Gura's arguments. Still, right on, the NRA was a Johnnie come lately to the party. Guess if the .gov rolls over and stops trying to do anything against our guns, ol' Wayne will have to take a huge cut in pay.
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If you don't like NRAILA and the political side of NRA don't give to it!
NRA has three main branches, and while membership provides most of the staffing dollars for all three it is donations to NRAILA that funds the politics. To dump NRA means a devastating blow to education, safety, and recreational shooting, competitive shooting, carry permit certification and hunting in this nation.
The way to fix NRA is the same as fixing government - get involved.
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NRA is like any other " mature" organization.
They are more concerned with maintaining the status quo and perpetuating their jobs and revenue than they are with actually being effective.
It's why they will endorse Romney, he can be used to perpetuate the fear, thereby justifying continued calls for donations.
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I live in a state with an assault weapon ban, New York. I will NOT be able to vote for Romney. If it's him or BHO, I will not vote. That or third party. IF Romney wants the gun owners vote, he needs to address his past, and make a pledge for the future. I emailed his office not once, but three times asking his 2A stance, and have yet to get an answer.
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saltydogbk,
Vote! Don't look at the parties or who the media says the winner will be or who you should vote for. Look at the record of the candidate and their explanations of that record. Then vote for the candidate you want the most.
From now until the election let the parties and candidates know what you want, after the election make sure those voted in know what you want and why, and never back down from your principals!
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I live in a state with an assault weapon ban, New York. I will NOT be able to vote for Romney. If it's him or BHO, I will not vote. That or third party. IF Romney wants the gun owners vote, he needs to address his past, and make a pledge for the future. I emailed his office not once, but three times asking his 2A stance, and have yet to get an answer.
Salty, here's a deal.
I'll forgo voting for the Libertarian Candidate, as I do most elections to reduce the parties ballot access hurdles next election, and vote for the Republican Candidate, whoever it might be, to do as much as I can to ensure we don't have another BHO term.
If you aren't going to vote against BHO, you can vote Libertarian and give them that needed help.
Deal?
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I'm not "dumping" the NRA.. If I don't get loud when needed though, they do seem to respond the way Congress critters do.. It wasn't till a Nevada FFL promised every membership in the State would be turned in till they backed off of endorsing Reid though.. The ILA can be worse than tone deaf at times.. They always come off with that "but you don't understand how it works" line that sounds like Obamas wife did this last week, talking about folks not realizing how grateful we should be...
No comparison beyond that. Don't get rattled.. That part of the PR effort sounds alot alike sometimes.. That's all..
To the degree that they can intimidate a Member of Congress into not going off the rails it's a good thing..
Seeing that they haven't put any skin in the game to this point tells me that they will "get in line" come about June, telling me what everybody else in the Moderate Media tells me, at which point, I'll tell them again what I just said here.. Silence in the first part will cost them dearly in the latter end..
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I'm going to echo what Tom said about not voting for that POS Romney. At least in the primaries. If he gets the nomination (and I suspect he will) when I enter the voting booth for the general election will hold my nose and pull the lever. At that point in time, my only hope will be that he can win and actually slow the descent of our once-great-nation.
I already know what Odamna has done and I think I have a handle on what he wants to do. I am convinced that we cannot survive as the United States of America if he gets another term.
I think we could get through 4 years of Mitt--even though I think it would be pretty ugly. The guy is no friend to gun owners.
On the NRA question--that's kind of like the Mitt question. It's kind of like all we've got. Yes, I know there's the SAF and I am a member. But they're small potatoes in comparison. So, I hold my nose and send in my NRA dues.
FWIW
Crusader
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Why hasn't the 2nd Amend. been brought up at ANY debates,...(how many have we had now?)....Just the MSM tow the line social issues to avoid the financial policy screwed up and FUBAR'D, with BHO....
Where is the challenge to Romney? Newt spoke at the NRA convention, and received standing "O"'s, instead he's burning a bridge with the Bain Capital angle....
In SC, and FL, if Newt would just keep it real, using Romney's own words, he would influence more voters than turn them off, and let Romney slide to the nominee....
It's a rigged game,....with assahat's running the show,..... for US the actual voters,.....to validate, and let US the voters, feel privileged in voting for who was pre-destined to be the nominee is a farce and a sham...
Wait til BHO start spending his Billion dollar war chest....
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I think nobody wants to do the 2A thing (except Perry, who is glad to make it plain) because they expect whatever they say to be used as a hammer in the general, like abortion has been treated for so long by thier respective sides.
As an aside here, I really don't think Romney can beat O. I don't think Santorum can either.
I do (as I head for the door) think that Paul could beat O.... I'd have never said that two weeks ago, but if what everybody says here is true and will lock arms behind the eventual nominee, whoever it is, Paul brings the MTV/Child/OWS vote with him, along with every listener to Coast to Coast..
Chew on that one for a while..
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I've posted before that Paul isn't BO which means if he got the nomination I'd vote for him.
Besides, it would be fun watching "the establishment " freak out. ;D
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If Paul was elected and just 25% of what he wants to get done did, with the other 75% including the off the wall stuff left out in the Rose Garden, the country would be a much better place.
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Just a reminder . . . .
From today's MB Blog (http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2012/01/great-read.html (http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2012/01/great-read.html)):
The election of 2012 ain't a conservative popularity contest. It's a war to, first, last, and always, destroy any possibility of a second term for Barack Hussain Obama.
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I've posted before that Paul isn't BO which means if he got the nomination I'd vote for him.
Besides, it would be fun watching "the establishment " freak out. ;D
It would be fun to watch, souldn't it..
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I'd love to see Paul get the nod rather than Romney. I was convinced that if he didn't win or come close in Iowa, people would drop him. I was wrong. He did well in NH and seems tied for second in SC. I will say Santorum won't last in States like Florida, NY, or Ca., but Paul might if he gets the money. It would amuse the hell out of me, and at least folks would get a choice rather than an echo. I might have to get out my checkbook. Where's F/A when he'd get to gloat? :'( ;)
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If the GOP nomination goes to Paul or Gingrich or even Santorum, I'll vote for the GOP candidate.....
....if my two choices are Obama and Obama-Lite, I'll find a third option.....
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If the GOP nomination goes to Paul or Gingrich or even Santorum, I'll vote for the GOP candidate.....
....if my two choices are Obama and Obama-Lite, I'll find a third option.....
If you do go with a third option, make it the Libertarian Party. At least your vote for Obama would then do some bit of good.
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If you do go with a third option, make it the Libertarian Party. At least your vote for Obama would then do some bit of good.
At least I'm not being hypocritical with my political views......
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At least I'm not being hypocritical with my political views......
If change begins with me, but I refuse to change, nothing changes, does it?
I GET WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS..
As far as Romney goes, I have a few problems..
First is abortion. I have to face God with my vote.
Second is that "Business as usual" will not save us, and folks, we need savin'..
Third is that he can't win.
Fourth is that I'm sooo tired of being told that I don't know what the f**k I'm talking about, while those who are apparently ordained to do the tellin are wrong or just plain lying, EVERY TIME.. (For those who need a translation of that, Bill Kristol no longer impresses me..)
I could go on but if you don't accept these, you won't accept the rest and if you do, that's enough to make the point..
Sorry..