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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on February 03, 2012, 11:18:22 AM
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As we go through this primary season where we are saying that a compromising RINO is better than someone of true conviction and belief in our constitution I remind you that as important as it is to defeat Pres. BHO in November there is a more important issue. To the liberal crowd putting Pres. BHO back in office is a major victory; putting a RINO (Romney) in office is a victory; putting a RINO (Newt) in office is a lull in the battle giving them a chance to rest and regroup; but putting a true American that believes in the ideals of this nation is a loss to them.
We need to quit buying into the media coronation of Romney as the GOP victor! The more I read their stances and histories, and the more I follow their day to day debates and speeches the more I detest both Romney and Newt. These two are career "servants" that will bring us more status quo at best. I am not in full agreement with Santorum or Paul either, but I do see better ideas with them.
People say that government can't make major changes. It just doesn't work, it isn't practical, too many people and items are in the process to make major changes, blah, blah, blah ... When you are on a cross country trip you can pump green slime into a leaking tire to get by, and you can do it more than once, but at some point you need to stop and change the tire or get new tires. It is time we quit our duct tape politics, and fix the problem. Accepting a status quo anything will not fix the problem!
Keep the following quote in mind as you pull the lever:
The time is now near at hand which must probably determine whether Americans are to be freemen or slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their houses and farms are to be pillaged and destroyed, and themselves consigned to a state of wretchedness from which no human efforts will deliver them. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage and conduct of this army. Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of brave resistance, or the most abject submission. We have, therefore, to resolve to conquer or die.
General George Washington
Address to the Continental Army before the Battle of Long Island (27 August 1776)
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https://twitter.com/#!/CamEdwards/status/165105478693687296
For those who are thinking about not voting if their favorite is not running for President, open the link and read it. Then rethink your decision.
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I don't have a twitter account, so I didn't read your like. However, I will go on record of nearing brain damage from beating my head on the desk over these idiots that think it is better to not vote than to vote for the lesser of two evils >:(
I will vote, but I am pissed that we have already conceded that we must run a RINO rather to try and get someone worthwhile in office.
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M58, what it said was either vote or consider this, "Supreme Court Justice ERIC HOLDER" I hope this helps you to sleep at night.
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As we go through this primary season where we are saying that a compromising RINO is better than someone of true conviction and belief in our constitution I remind you that as important as it is to defeat Pres. BHO in November there is a more important issue. To the liberal crowd putting Pres. BHO back in office is a major victory; putting a RINO (Romney) in office is a victory; putting a RINO (Newt) in office is a lull in the battle giving them a chance to rest and regroup; but putting a true American that believes in the ideals of this nation is a loss to them.
We need to quit buying into the media coronation of Romney as the GOP victor! The more I read their stances and histories, and the more I follow their day to day debates and speeches the more I detest both Romney and Newt. These two are career "servants" that will bring us more status quo at best. I am not in full agreement with Santorum or Paul either, but I do see better ideas with them.
People say that government can't make major changes. It just doesn't work, it isn't practical, too many people and items are in the process to make major changes, blah, blah, blah ... When you are on a cross country trip you can pump green slime into a leaking tire to get by, and you can do it more than once, but at some point you need to stop and change the tire or get new tires. It is time we quit our duct tape politics, and fix the problem. Accepting a status quo anything will not fix the problem!
Keep the following quote in mind as you pull the lever:
No one is saying that.
What is being said is that while we vote for who we think will do the best job in the primary we have to face the fact that the establishment is likely to give the nomination to Romney.
Better get use to " our duct tape politics," because no one has guts enough to make the changes that need to be made.
All this BS about "principals" and the other idealistic crap sounds good but it ignores the reality which is that most people in America today want big Govt to tell them when to shit and when to wipe because they are to stupid, lazy, or gutless to take responsibility for their own lives and actions.
Stalin and Hitler would have loved these sheep.
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Tim,
I don't care what others think about being dictated to. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. We have not even had a vote in February yet, and everyone is preparing for the Romney vs. BHO election. BS!!! We still have a lot of time to vote for the right person and to fight for what is right.
Come November we may be forced to vote for the non-Pres. BHO choice, but today we still have the chance to shape the election in a way that gives us a true leader that will honor our nation.
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Come November we may be forced to vote for the non-Pres. BHO choice, but today we still have the chance to shape the election in a way that gives us a true leader that will honor our nation.
Who do you have in mind? If it's any of the remaining four, I don't see it!
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That's all perfectly true.
But be prepared to see your preferred guy lose to the "progressive haircut" for the reasons I stated.
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Keep the following quote in mind as you pull the lever:
If this keeps up, the solution will devolve to pulling something other than the lever....
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Of the four remaining I prefer Santorum first, Paul second, and the other two are a toss up.
Santorum and Paul at least offer something of true change back toward where we should be. They both have things I don't agree with, but Newt and Romney are going to continue to do what they have for decades. Actually, the more I read and listen to info from the left Romney is actually BHO lite (and I don't mean that in just skin color). Newt will talk big, but in the end he will sell us down the river. Paul, Romney and Newt will continue to do more to send more jobs overseas. And even though I feel that Santorum has issues of his own, I like the fact that he is trying to make this a campaign of what they believe and will do versus a beat each other to a bloody pulp so that anyone that shows up with a mop (Pres. BHO) is a here.
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If this keeps up, the solution will devolve to pulling something other than the lever....
Once again I point to then General, now Pres. Washington.
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Santorum might be someone I can vote for. I'll vote for Paul over BHO, Romney, Newt.
I will not vote for Romney or BHO in the election that counts. Either one gets us to the same place, the level of the slippery slope is all that is different.
We know better than to vote for BHO for the obvious reasons of being unfit for office.
Romney has the same traits except he has the blessing of the Republican Party elite (RINO's). The RINO's take us for granted and will continue to disappoint...there's a track record of that. Since in my mind the ultimate conclusion is the same be it Romney or BHO, best to not vote for either. A vote for Romney supports the RINO notions, agenda and, most importantly, their unfair practices.
We need a candidate. The Repubulican leaders need to understand this. The only thing they understand is losing and having their noses rubbed in it...apparently. I'm not playing their game anymore. If I'm going to end up losing I would rather it not be because "my guy" stabbed me in the back.
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I think they all suck! I'm voting for my dog Harley! Yes, he's probably a democrat because everything he needs he takes from me but, he keeps his mouth shut...
It's gotten to the point that it will get very, very ugly before it gets better!
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I think they all suck! I'm voting for my dog Harley! Yes, he's probably a democrat because everything he needs he takes from me but, he keeps his mouth shut...
It's gotten to the point that it will get very, very ugly before it gets better!
I really don't know anything about Santorum and I disavow some portion of Paul's isolationist fantasy.
Can we write in Michael Bane? But only if we can get Walt Rauch as VP.... :D
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Santorum is a wasted vote, if he even lasts till your state. Personally I think he is a pompous theocratic A - hole, but what will kill him is money.
He nearly dropped out last week, if he doesn't get some huge influx of cash he's done.
That leaves Paul, who is also a wasted vote, even if he got elected he doesn't have enough clout to accomplish anything in Congress, he will not get any more done as Pres.
Although it would be fun to watch the Establishment go ape shit, or Newt .
You all claim to worship Ronald Reagan and then crap on the one who was his guy in the House, the one who got RR's proven economic package through .
Those are the same things he's campaigning on.
The hostility to him seems to prove my opinion of voters.
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Rastus,
You fill in the blanks I left. Obviously you and I think along the same lines - Must be good pizza in the veins ;)
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We can write in whomever we want!
The problem is that the most critical source of information for the majority of the voters is the TV Guide these days! The ignorance of the populace is becoming quite evident.
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Tom,
How is Santorum a wasted vote? If he's on the ballot, he is a candidate. If we believe he is the best choice we are voicing that opinion when we cast that vote. To not like Romney but vote for him in a primary is to say we like him. Vote for the candidate you believe in the most, and let your voice be heard. The only time to vote for the lessors is when that is all that is left. Maybe Santorum or Paul or Newt or Romney is a vote for the lessor, but the one you chose should be the one you agree with the most.
Remember that there are two major factors that have gotten us where we are: One is special interest voting - voting just to get what you can for yourself; and the other is voting for who you think can win vs. who you really want or think should win. Vote your conscience and don't look back at the what ifs!
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The RINO's don't care if Romney OR BHO gets elected,...they care about getting the Senate back, and keeping the House. The want their pretty little Chairmanships, and Committee appts. That's their power base....It's all about the power...
The RINO's are counting on the true Conservatives to stay home and pout about the POTUS election,....because "they all suck" but my local, state, guys suck less....for Representatives and Senators....
Remember I think there are 19 Senate seats up for grabs, and 1/2 the House.
Don't sit out a vote for POTUS, and vote for "your" state "guy/girl".....
The gloves will come off if BHO is re-elected...and the DHS will be the new moderator of this website....
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You all claim to worship Ronald Reagan and then crap on the one who was his guy in the House, the one who got RR's proven economic package through .
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Not everyone. I remember what happened when his AG did not challenge, and I believe wrote a brief saying why he would not challenge, retirement funds being owned by the company and not by the participants. That cost me a lot of $$$'s...retirement is deferred income and if I hadn't counted on that retirement plan I would have worked somewhere else.
Next, Reagan did not truly "fix" social security. He started the ball rolling with raising the $$'s per benefit required. I agree people are living long and the ages needed to be tweaked up, but a lot of people who weren't looking who are entering retirement in the next 5 to 10 years are going to find out what it means to not pay out social security every year...the current level is about $110k income to payout for the year. Benefits in relation to what our parents got for the same job history/pay will be much less in terms of maintaining the lifestyle our parent's had.
There are quite a few other things; I don't deify Reagan. But among the most onerous was that idiotic penstroke on taking full auto guns out of the citizen's market. He grandfathered MG's...but that limited the pool forever.
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There is another poll on what we see or think of ammo:
If Pres. BHO stays in you have exactly till the victory parties are over to purchase your guns and ammo boys and girls. I firmly believe that when he told Hillary and Nancy that "now is not the time" he meant wait four years, and we will nail it all right after the reelection. If he loses I see a lot of gamesmanship happening in his last month of dictatorship >:(
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The RINO's don't care if Romney OR BHO gets elected,...they care about getting the Senate back, and keeping the House. The want their pretty little Chairmanships, and Committee appts. That's their power base....It's all about the power...
The RINO's are counting on the true Conservatives to stay home and pout about the POTUS election,....because "they all suck" but my local, state, guys suck less....for Representatives and Senators....
Remember I think there are 19 Senate seats up for grabs, and 1/2 the House.
Don't sit out a vote for POTUS, and vote for "your" state "guy/girl".....
The gloves will come off if BHO is re-elected...and the DHS will be the new moderator of this website....
A great point. I didn't anticipate staying home. We need to send every US Rep in Oklahoma back home for good. They voted with Obama on the economy and taxes...our Senators didn't, but the Reps did in fact sell us out. So, I intend to particpate in the vote...but a vote for BHO or Romney is out of the question.
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Tom,
How is Santorum a wasted vote? If he's on the ballot, he is a candidate. If we believe he is the best choice we are voicing that opinion when we cast that vote. To not like Romney but vote for him in a primary is to say we like him. Vote for the candidate you believe in the most, and let your voice be heard. The only time to vote for the lessors is when that is all that is left. Maybe Santorum or Paul or Newt or Romney is a vote for the lessor, but the one you chose should be the one you agree with the most.
Remember that there are two major factors that have gotten us where we are: One is special interest voting - voting just to get what you can for yourself; and the other is voting for who you think can win vs. who you really want or think should win. Vote your conscience and don't look back at the what ifs!
As I said in my original post, he doesn't have the funds for the long run.
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He is in the race, he is a candidate, and if someone agrees with him he is a valid vote. This isn't supposed to be about who can by the most beer on Friday night.
If I am a part of choosing him at our caucus on Tuesday evening and he drops out next month I have at least voiced my opinion of what I want. Just like the year I was one of those that voted for Jessie Ventura because he best met our wishes. We were all told we were wasting our votes.
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He is in the race, he is a candidate, and if someone agrees with him he is a valid vote. This isn't supposed to be about who can by the most beer on Friday night.
If I am a part of choosing him at our caucus on Tuesday evening and he drops out next month I have at least voiced my opinion of what I want. Just like the year I was one of those that voted for Jessie Ventura because he best met our wishes. We were all told we were wasting our votes.
Yep, you miss out on supporting some one who actually has a chance to beat Romney in order to support some one who has to hope for his tax return to continue his campaign.
Isn't that kind of thinking how we wound up with McCain ?
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Have we seen Tom join the main stream media and the rest of the sheeple? Is Mr. Bogan telling me that it is more important to settle for more of the same than take a chance on making a difference?
Sorry Tom, but the only thing I can tell you for certain is that next Tuesday I will not be supporting the only candidate that you think has a chance. I will not vote for a man that only has two differences between himself and Pres. BHO - The party designation after his name and his skin color.
If this goes the way you claim it will I will have some tough decisions to make in the fall.
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I have already been studying the electoral college map.
I have Obama at 239 votes, without Florida. I think, if I remember correctly Florida has 29 votes or points.
You only need 270 to win.
So with Florida, Obama is sitting at 268.
We're screwed.
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It is February 3rd and some ds for St. Louis is telling us the election is over
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I have already been studying the electoral college map.
I have Obama at 239 votes, without Florida. I think, if I remember correctly Florida has 29 votes or points.
You only need 270 to win.
So with Florida, Obama is sitting at 268.
We're screwed.
What are you gonna do about it? Bend over and say Thank You?
Or maybe get out and work your butt off to change it?
It's your butt either way.
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No Matter What
By Dr. Walter Williams
Can President Obama be defeated in 2012? No. He can't. I am going on record as saying that President Barak Obama will win a second term.
The media won't tell you this because a good election campaign means hundreds of millions (or in Obama's case billions) of dollars to them in advertising.
But the truth is, there simply are no conditions under which Barak Obama can be defeated in 2012.
The quality of the Republican candidate doesn't matter. Obama gets reelected.
Nine percent unemployment? No problem. Obama will win.
Gas prices moving toward five dollars a gallon? He still wins.
The economy soars or goes into the gutter. Obama wins.
War in the Middle East ? He wins a second term.
America's role as the leading Superpower disappears? Just what he wants!
The U.S. government rushes toward bankruptcy, the dollar continues to sink on world markets and the price of daily goods and services soars due to inflation fueled by Obama's extraordinary deficit spending? No matter. Obama wins handily.
Many will say, “You are crazy Williams. Don't you understand how volatile politics can be when overall economic, government, and world conditions are declining?” Sure I do.
And that's why I know Obama will win. The American people are notoriously ignorant of economics. And economics is the key to why Obama should be defeated.
Even when Obama's policies lead the nation to final ruin, the majority of the American people are going to believe the bait-and-switch tactics Obama and his supporters in the media will use to explain why it isn't his fault. After all, things were much worse than understood when he took office.
Obama's reelection is really a very, very simple math problem. Consider the following:
1) Blacks will vote for Obama blindly. Period. Doesn't matter what he does. It's a race thing. He's one of us.
That’s why the media destroyed Herman Cain so handily. Too big a threat.
2) College educated women will vote for Obama. Though they will be offended by this, they swoon at his oratory. It's really not more complex than that.
3) Liberals will vote for Obama. He is their great hope.
4) Democrats will vote for Obama. He is the leader of their party and his coat tails will carry them to victory nationwide.
5) Hispanics will vote for Obama. He is the path to citizenship for those who are here illegally and Hispanic leaders recognize the political clout they carry in the Democratic Party.
6) Union members will vote overwhelmingly for Obama. He is their key to money and power in business, state and local politics.
7) Big Business will support Obama. They already have. He has almost $1 Billion dollars in his reelection purse gained largely from his connections with Big Business and is gaining more every day. Big Business loves Obama because he gives them access to taxpayer money so long as they support his social and political agenda.
8) The media love him. They may attack the people who work for him, but they love him. After all, to not love him would be racist.
9) Most other minorities and special interest groups will vote for him. Oddly, the overwhelming majority of Jews and Muslims will support him because they won't vote Republican. American Indians will support him. Homosexuals tend to vote Democratic. And lastly…
10) Approximately half of independents will vote for Obama. And he doesn't need anywhere near that number because he has all of the groups previously mentioned. The President will win an overwhelming victory in 2012.
-- Dr. Walter Williams
IN ADDITION TO THE VOTING BLOCKS HE MENTIONS, THERE IS ANOTHER HUGE GROUP: NEARLY ONE-HALF OF ALL ADULTS DO NOT PAY ANY TAXES. MOST OF THEM RECEIVE ENTITLEMENT MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT. THESE PEOPLE WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO STOP THE FLOW OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO THEMSELVES.