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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: gunman42782 on February 20, 2012, 08:24:14 AM
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Don't know weather to laugh or cry about this. Well, I got a dollor an hour raise at work. I work 50 hours every week. I took home $13 more on my check. $13. Un-freaking beliavable. What incentive does anyone have to work these days? The more money you make (and believe me guys, I don't make that much) the more they rob you. All the while prices of everything going up everyday. Don't think $13 more a week will quite cover it. Like I said, I don't know weather to laugh or cry about it. I am much appreciative of my boss thinking I deserve the raise, believe me, I aint bad mouthing him at all, it is the government that robs from the working man to give to lazy bums that wont work
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Quit complaining!
It is greedy people like you that work those hours that aren't paying your fair share! How did we let you get away with that much? I know, you used that evil pretax deduction called a 401k to hide some of your excess money from us so you wouldn't have to pay your fair share.
Now get your butt back out there so I can get my food stamps you lazy bum!
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Whats a 401K? Hell, I don't have any benefits whatsoever. None. No health, no retirement, no nothing. If I get hurt or sick, I am screwed. Wonder if they would let me on welfare, as I have worked my whole life.
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Been there before.
Some years back I received about 500 bucks a year raise or about .25 cents and hour. My take home pay went DOWN about four bucks a week because I entered a different tax bracket for the state.
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The "fairness" of our federal government knows no bounds these days. It is terrible what they do to people, like you, who work for a living. As the government demands (ultimately by court order and the barrell of a gun) more and more of our labors there is less and less left for us after we sweat out at work.
I've observed for a couple of decades now that we compensate by working harder and longer as possible which leaves us less on the personal end of our time. Which of course means less time for our families, our interests and to take care of our necessary personal needs.
We are close to the point where working more is completely senseless. My normal time is 45-48 hours a week now, down from the 55+ I was putting in. I just stopped doing more and let it go. That did not help my personel evaluation, but I am healthier for it.
Over the decades working people have worked, paid taxes and got on with their lives. Now the intrusion is such that we should pause and inject ourselves into the political process. Working more doesn't "pay" and the thieves elected to government apparently don't know when to quit. I don't think we'll change our plight by changing out some guy on top....it's going to take us all working at the grass roots level running for dogcatcher, alderman, mayor, whatever on a local level to begin to restore our nation back towards what we have lost. To that end I'm active in local and state politics and you would be surprised what a dozen or so people can cause "the machine" to offer and how incredulous they look at you when you turn down a deal.
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It's too late. Especially for the children.
Almost HALF of the country doesn't pay taxes. AND THAT's half that aren't claimed as a dependent on someone else's return. If you add them the number skyrockets.
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell (http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell)
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Geez, with the "extra" $40 your gettin in the payroll "tax cut" and the $13 bump,.....see???? That's 53 bucks dude.
That's ammo money,...gas money...We're gonna need it as we smoke through $4 a gallon easily by Spring.
So once again,...it all works out... ;)
(heavy sarcasm was rampant in this post)....
tw
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Geez, with the "extra" $40 your gettin in the payroll "tax cut" and the $13 bump,.....see???? That's 53 bucks dude.
That's ammo money,...gas money...We're gonna need it as we smoke through $4 a gallon easily by Spring.tw
We're at $3.70 here already! Spent 80 bucks yesterday filling up both my cars!
Thank goodness I don't have a job right now! That should last me at least a month.... ::)
Where the heck is that sarcasm emoticon when you need it?
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It's too late. Especially for the children.
Almost HALF of the country doesn't pay taxes. AND THAT's half that aren't claimed as a dependent on someone else's return. If you add them the number skyrockets.
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell (http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell)
that is why I have been harping on going with a flat sales, a high Federal flat sales, and ditching the income tax and tax returns entirely.
and my logic is this, for example. look at all the illegals that are working cash on the barrelhead jobs....they are not getting any income tax deducted....so the only way to capture any sort of tax off them is to have a Federal flat sales tax... they still have to buy groceries, and toilet paper, and tools, and clothes.
the other plus side to this whole flat sales tax idea is that there is none of this class warfare 99% vs. 1% B.S.
my take home amount is usually right about 60 to 66% of my check stub amount. I'd gladly forego paying FITW, FICA, etc, and get my 33% back, and then pay a 25% sales tax (anonymously) at the cash register.
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I have a friend who is an MD. A few years ago he had a heart attack and had to slow down. He started seeing 5 fewer patients a day, and as a result took a $20,000 cut in his gross pay. Apparently it dropped him into a different tax bracket, because hi take-home pay went UP $10,000 a year.
Ok, once again the age-old question............why do we punish people for being successful?
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I have a friend who is an MD. A few years ago he had a heart attack and had to slow down. He started seeing 5 fewer patients a day, and as a result took a $20,000 cut in his gross pay. Apparently it dropped him into a different tax bracket, because hi take-home pay went UP $10,000 a year.
Ok, once again the age-old question............why do we punish people for being successful?
It's called "Social justice".
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It's called "Social justice".
f..k "Social Justice".
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f..k "Social Justice".
Are you actually proposing that Govt get out of the business of helping the less fortunate ?
What do you suggest ?
Let them fend for themselves ?
Perhaps we should "privatize " charity ?
Read, and think carefully before replying. ;D
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Are you actually proposing that Govt get out of the business of helping the less fortunate ?
What do you suggest ?
Let them fend for themselves ?
Perhaps we should "privatize " charity ?
Read, and think carefully before replying. ;D
I'll drink to that. :D
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This thread brings up the age old question once again:
What is wrong with going to a flat tax?
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This thread brings up the age old question once again:
What is wrong with going to a flat tax?
Nothing except that some don't understand the concept, others like the status quo and the rest don't give a shit!
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I like the idea of a flat sales tax. This basically puts taxation on consuumption, instead of income. Obviously the more money you make, the more you can and most likely will spend. This IS fair. The only other way to do it fairly is to do away with income tax brackets, and tax ALL income at the same rate. Either way, the more you make, the more you pay.
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I like the idea of a flat sales tax. This basically puts taxation on consuumption, instead of income. Obviously the more money you make, the more you can and most likely will spend. This IS fair. The only other way to do it fairly is to do away with income tax brackets, and tax ALL income at the same rate. Either way, the more you make, the more you pay.
True, but this would be even tougher to get through.
By putting a flat tax on income everyone's income above a minimal amount would be taxed (I'm for treating it like all the Social Security crap and start from dollar one). Everyone contributes based on their income and ability to pay. The more you earn the more you pay, but everyone pays.
With a flat sales tax the scream is that you are unfairly taxing the poor. That is the way they twist the numbers to show that the poor are paying more than the rich today.
Liars figure and figures lie - That is the battle that has to be fought to do anything to fix the tax system. However, I fully believe that if all we did was to pick a flat tax that did not change the dollar amount the average taxpayer was paying, but put some burden on the large number not contribution, we would have enough money to fund the excessive spending going on today plus pay on the debt (principle and interest). Sounds like the best way to fix the social security and medicare system that I can think of ... Not to mention getting the Chinese off our backs.
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Isn't going to happen.
People vote their self interest,Younger people will prefer a flat sales tax since they don't have as much money to spend on "stuff", but older people will go with an income tax since they are no longer earning, or won't be much longer so they see it as putting the load on younger folks instead of themselves.
My earlier post was a trick comment, when the poor had to fend for themselves the poverty rate was the same as it is now, but the individuals in poverty changed at a much higher rate.
And until FDR and his socialist programs came along caring for the unfortunate was privatized, it was called Charity.
It is worth pointing out that after dumping tens of billions of tax dollars on the problem the percentage of people living in poverty has not changed more than a fraction of a percent.