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Title: Trial by media hype
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 11, 2012, 06:34:48 PM
Unbiased media ?
Yeah right.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/zimmerman-charged-2nd-degree-murder-trayvon-martin-shooting-220301336.html

George Zimmerman, the 28-year-old neighborhood watchman who shot and killed Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla., has been charged with second-degree murder in the 17-year-old's death. Zimmerman is being held without bail.

"Just moments ago that we spoke with Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, the sweet parents of Trayvon," Angela Corey, the special prosecutor investigating the case, said at a news conference in Jacksonville. "They now know charges have been filed, and that George Zimmerman is in custody."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>More racist media BS at link<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Here's another POS heard from.
Who cares what this rapist has been has to say ?


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/mike-tyson-trayvon-martin-case-disgrace-george-zimmerman-221115400.html

Mike Tyson thinks that George Zimmerman deserves violent retribution for the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

In an interview with Yahoo News about his upcoming one-man show in Las Vegas, the former heavyweight champion sounded off on the polarizing case:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, more sensationalist BS at link<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Considering he's a wife beating rapist it's a disgrace that Mike Tyson hasn't been shot yet.

Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: DGF on April 12, 2012, 10:17:09 AM
As of April 1st this year there have been 120 fatalities and 490 wounded due to gun violence in Chicago. Essentially all of these crimes occurred in the mostly black south and southwest areas of the city.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do not seem to be concerned with this however. One fatality was a 6 year old girl sitting with her mother on the front steps of her house. All of Al and Jesse's energy is directed at one, probably justifiable, shooting, merely because of the race of the shooter. Tell me there isn't a double standard.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: JC5123 on April 12, 2012, 10:25:28 AM
Not to mention that ABC, NBC, and CBS all have had to run retractions after they were caught red handed doctoring the evidence, and bringing in lousy experts that simply said what they wanted to hear.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: MikeBjerum on April 12, 2012, 10:27:30 AM
I read something shortly after the Zimmerman/Martin event:  Most murders in this nation are black on black, followed by 6%* being black on white and 2%* being white on black.  Nowhere did I hear about hispanic on black - which is what this case is.

* these percentages are my best memory, so I will accept correction, but please do not ream me a new one.  I would actually like to be refreshed on the exact numbers.

I also recall several years ago when Bill Cosby took to the stage.  He pulled out his signature stool, and donning his cardigan and comfortable shoes (a black Mr. Rogers in appearance and message) scolded black males for not caring for the children they fathered, and scolded the black community for not taking their responsibilities seriously.  He was torn apart in the media for being racist and out of touch.  A person addressing his own race and community, a community he worked to better himself within, and they told him he did not understand.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: Solus on April 12, 2012, 10:47:35 AM
Well, this is a case of a White-Hispanic shooting a Black-Black kid who would look like our White-Black President's son, if he had one, who would be White-Black-Black-Black?.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: JC5123 on April 12, 2012, 11:02:01 AM
Well, this is a case of a White-Hispanic shooting a Black-Black kid who would look like our White-Black President's son, if he had one, who would be White-Black-Black-Black?.

OK, that just made my head hurt.  ::)
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: MikeBjerum on April 12, 2012, 11:12:34 AM
And Solus, or should I say Pres. BHO, Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Jackson, ..., in our system of justice none of that lineage matters!
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: Solus on April 12, 2012, 11:26:49 AM
And Solus, or should I say Pres. BHO, Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Jackson, ..., in our system of justice none of that lineage matters!

Exactly!!!!......and as soon as I wrote it, I had a question.....does the paternal race go first in the hyphenated race or does the maternal?...    As in Zimmerman being White-Hispanic.

But then, that would seem sexist. 

How about the least minority race going first?  As in White-Hispanic?...but then that might be racist....or not depending upon what agenda you were pushing.

We need a Racial Denomination Determination CZAR.

Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: MikeBjerum on April 12, 2012, 12:36:41 PM
I don't care what goes first or last except for one thing:

You are not something - American!!!

You are American of something descent!!!


According to our state's death certificate, which is in line with national standards and reporting, you are white, black, asian, pacific islander, etc.  The only American something is American Indian.  There is no such thing in legal papers concerning Native American.  Remember, DNA has confirmed the visual assumption that American Indians are of Asian descent.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: DGF on April 12, 2012, 01:43:51 PM
Hispanic is a nationality not a race. There are Mexicans that are of chinese ancestry, there are Mexicans ( hispanics ) of all races. One of the common races in Mexico is Native Indian and various mixes of that race.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: MikeBjerum on April 12, 2012, 01:51:45 PM
DGF,

In our death certificate, and that follows federal, hispanic is everything south of the U.S. border, it includes the islands around the Gulf of Mexico and close, and after questioning during a repatriation, it includes Spain and Portugal since that is viewed as where the explorers ventured from.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: DGF on April 12, 2012, 02:30:55 PM
Yes, that is so, it is a nationality not a race.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: Solus on April 12, 2012, 02:49:17 PM
hmm..I'd say it is neither nationality nor race, but an ethnic designation....a culture.

If a nationality, what nation?  Spain?  Portugal?  Gibraltar?  Any of the Latin American nations?

It is based more on the language spoken, Spanish, by it's members than on nationality.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 12, 2012, 03:05:57 PM
Hispanic is a race. Any one with blood from a nationality derived from SPAIN, so some one from South of the border probably is Hispanic, but the might also be Indian or some other European descent.
In Argentina I have read that Hispanics are actually a minority.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: Solus on April 12, 2012, 03:18:26 PM
Hispanic is a race. Any one with blood from a nationality derived from SPAIN, so some one from South of the border probably is Hispanic, but the might also be Indian or some other European descent.
In Argentina I have read that Hispanics are actually a minority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_in_the_United_States

Official race definitions in the United States
Main articles: Race and ethnicity in the United States Census and Race (EEO)

The United States government has provided definitions regarding race (see the main articles).[9] Racial classification in the U.S. 2000 census and in employment reports for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission was based solely on self-identification by people according to the race or races with which they most closely identify and did not pre-suppose disjointedness. The category "Hispanic" is considered an ethnicity, rather than a race, by the U.S. Census.[4][10] These categories are sociopolitical constructs and should not be interpreted as being scientific or anthropological in nature.[9] They change from one census to another, and the racial categories include both racial and national-origin groups.[11][12]
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: PegLeg45 on April 12, 2012, 03:19:28 PM
The mother went on TV today saying she thought the whole thing was an "accident" but wanted justice to be served.

Also, media still wanted to know why it took so long to file charges.
(they just don't get this whole thing about getting ALL the facts straight BEFORE making charges and arrests).
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: jnevis on April 12, 2012, 03:27:09 PM
The mother went on TV today saying she thought the whole thing was an "accident" but wanted justice to be served.

Also, media still wanted to know why it took so long to file charges.
(they just don't get this whole thing about getting ALL the facts straight BEFORE making charges and arrests).

But on TV they arrest the first guy they see and by the end of the shows he's in jail....(http://therailwire.net/forum/Smileys/classic/facepalm.gif)
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: Timothy on April 12, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
The mother went on TV today saying she thought the whole thing was an "accident" but wanted justice to be served.

Also, media still wanted to know why it took so long to file charges.
(they just don't get this whole thing about getting ALL the facts straight BEFORE making charges and arrests).

Tell them to read and understand the 5th Amendment!  They only get one shot at this....better to be well prepared or don't bother...

Remember Casey Anthony?
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: PegLeg45 on April 12, 2012, 03:36:15 PM
Tell them to read and understand the 5th Amendment!  They only get one shot at this....better to be well prepared or don't bother...

Remember Casey Anthony?

Exactly.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 12, 2012, 03:43:12 PM
"an ethnicity, rather than a race,"
nd what do the egg heads say is the difference ?
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: MikeBjerum on April 12, 2012, 04:38:57 PM
Tell them to read and understand the 5th Amendment!  They only get one shot at this....better to be well prepared or don't bother...

Remember Casey Anthony?

Remember as well OJ Simpson and the brain trust that had him don protective gloves prior to the glove in evidence.  Civil Court got him, but if Stand Your Ground does come into play on this one there will be the issue of not having the back up plan of civil punishments when they screw up.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: Solus on April 12, 2012, 07:36:44 PM
Remember as well OJ Simpson and the brain trust that had him don protective gloves prior to the glove in evidence.  Civil Court got him, but if Stand Your Ground does come into play on this one there will be the issue of not having the back up plan of civil punishments when they screw up.

Actually, I wondered about OJ and the protective gloves....   I had a pair of gloves that fit tight and got some protective gloves similar to what OJ wore and they were easier to get on while wearing the protective gloves than not.

The real error was allowing their case to rest in the 'hands' of the accused on the stand.  Tight fitting or not, you can appear to struggle to get anything on.
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: DGF on April 12, 2012, 09:04:21 PM
In traditional anthropological studies there are actually 5 races.
These are
1) Mongoloid (Asian and American Indian)
2) Caucasoid (European)
3) Australoid (Australian and oceanic)
4) Negroid (east African black)
5) Capoid (south African black)
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 12, 2012, 10:54:12 PM
In traditional anthropological studies there are actually 5 races.
These are
1) Mongoloid (Asian and American Indian)
2) Caucasoid (European)
3) Australoid (Australian and oceanic)
4) Negroid (east African black)
5) Capoid (south African black)


 ???  Is there actually enough difference between the 2 to make 2 separate races ?
Isn't "race" equivalent to "genus in non human species ?
Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: DGF on April 13, 2012, 06:26:05 AM
Although anthropologists can get a little pointy headed, this is their conclusion. At first, after reading the name of the scientist responsible for this racial division, I thought it might be the start of a joke. Apparently it is not.


Capoid race
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Capoid race is a historical racial category proposed in 1962 by anthropologist Carleton S. Coon and named after the Cape of Good Hope; these people had formerly been regarded as a sub-type of the historical racial category Negroid.[1][2]
This new division was proposed because of the very different appearance of those of the Capoid race from others of what was formerly called the Negroid race (golden brown rather than sepia colored skin, and epicanthic eye folds). Coon argued that the term Negroid race should be abandoned, and the people of that race who are not Capoids should be termed the Congoid race[1].
More recent research in population genetics refers to these two populations within sub-Saharan Africa as "Khoisanid" and "Black African".[3]
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Title: Re: Trial by media hype
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 13, 2012, 08:53:15 AM
Interesting.