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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on April 13, 2012, 11:51:53 AM
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Bar shooting: "No guns" sign fails to save the day
Look what we have here.
One of those magical signs that stops anyone with a gun from entering.
The sign's great powers were set up to keep people from bringing guns into any place posting it - the anti-gunners' version of kryptonite.
Criminals check your gun into your glove box before entering. And by the way, for all the robbers out there: if your mask blocked your vision on the way in and you missed the sign, should the business owner point to it, the Bloomberg rules dictate you must put your gun away, apologize and quietly walk out trying not to disturb anyone.
Just another stellar idea by those who think like Anti-Gunner in Chief and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg .
Let's get serious now.
The fact of the matter is four people were shot on April 1, inside this bar in Lima, Ohio, that posted this sign. No one died and by local media accounts, all will survive.
Police arrested 19-year-old Michael G. Thompson charging him with illegal possession of a gun inside a liquor permit premise, a third-degree felony. Thompson was one of the injured and still has a bullet in his hip.
Police also are seeking another man, 22-year-old Dominique Durr. He faces the identical charge as Thompson, who is his cousin. He also has a criminal history that would bar him from obtaining a concealed carry license.
Police said a gun recovered following the shooting was stolen. A detective said Thompson can be seen in a video from the bar surveillance camera holding a gun. Thompson also is facing a felony concealed weapons charge from an arrest during a traffic stop several weeks before.
While police continue to sort out the shooting and look for a motive, what is clear from this shooting is the signs anti-gun lawmakers wanted and believe, like some business owners, prevent criminals from entering do not. The only people these signs prevent from entering with a gun are law-abiding citizens who follow the rules and go through an exhausting process to obtain a concealed carry license by taking a class and passing a background check.
These signs do nothing to stop the thugs from carrying guns or accomplishing their agenda to kill. These signs only make it easier by virtually eliminating the chance the criminal may face armed resistance.
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Which do you think would be more effective at solving this problem?
1. Two signs instead of just the one
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2. One sign twice as large as the current one
Or maybe adding a THIS MEANS YOU!! at the bottom and top?
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Which do you think would be more effective at solving this problem?
1. Two signs instead of just the one
or
2. One sign twice as large as the current one
Or maybe adding a THIS MEANS YOU!! at the bottom and top?
Viable options, one and all........ I mean hey, it seems to be working in Chicago. ::)
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Police arrested 19-year-old Michael G. Thompson charging him with illegal possession of a gun inside a liquor permit premise, a third-degree felony. Thompson was one of the injured and still has a bullet in his hip.
HAHAHAHAHA! Sweet, sweet justice before the real justice is doled out.
Which do you think would be more effective at solving this problem?
1. Two signs instead of just the one
or
2. One sign twice as large as the current one
Or maybe adding a THIS MEANS YOU!! at the bottom and top?
Do business owners realize that these signs are meaningless, even to law abiding citizens? At least here, they are. Even if the sign is posted within the letter of the law (at least 187 sq in, letters at least X inches tall, posted at a certain height, etc), they still have to ask you to leave the premises and you have to refuse to leave the premises before you can be charged with trespassing.
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Law is tougher in Ohio.
The law is broken when you enter. So, if discovered, you're 2A rights are severely infringed.
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Unless they have manned metal detectors at the door it isn't a "gun Free zone"
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Thank God that here in Holland it's WAY better: The cops would have been at the scene within 15 minutes after getting the call, as required by law. ::)
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Good to hear from you Ocin, and Happy Birthday! Thought the jack boots might have gotten to ya' ;)
Take Care,
tw
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This brings to mind that rule that says, "Don't go to stupid places with stupid people to do stupid things."
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HAHAHAHAHA! Sweet, sweet justice before the real justice is doled out.
Do business owners realize that these signs are meaningless, even to law abiding citizens? At least here, they are. Even if the sign is posted within the letter of the law (at least 187 sq in, letters at least X inches tall, posted at a certain height, etc), they still have to ask you to leave the premises and you have to refuse to leave the premises before you can be charged with trespassing.
Here in Iowa, "no guns signs" don't have the force of law. Much like Minnesocold you can be asked to leave if the proprietor discovers you're carrying (or for pretty much any other reason), and if you refuse you're guilty of Criminal Trespass. And while the signs don't hold the force of law, I have been known to inform business owners that I respect their right to not want my gun in their establishment. In fact, I respect it so much that, out of respect for their decision to post the sign, I'll keep my gun out of their establishment by going down the street and doing business with their competitor. ;D
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I've only seen one sign here in MA but then, I'm not always looking either!
It was at a Toy-R-Us and I noticed it on the way out the door!
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The only one I've seen in NH was at a gun show.
I have not been back since.
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The only one I ever saw was on the door of the specialty hospital where I had my spinal surgery. Needless to sey, I didn't turn around and walk away in a huff.
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The only one I ever saw was on the door of the specialty hospital where I had my spinal surgery. Needless to sey, I didn't turn around and walk away in a huff.
But you did notice it, captive audience and all. Kinda like getting caught in the outhouse with your pants down when trouble comes knocking... ;D
Hope your surgery was successful and the signs kept the criminals from breaking the law.
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Surgery WAS a success...instant pain relief and now I have the back of a 90 year old.
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Surgery WAS a success...instant pain relief and now I have the back of a 90 year old.
Does he miss it ?
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No public restroom in a bar ? Go pee in the parking lot after a few beers ? ;D ;D
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No public restroom in a bar ? Go pee in the parking lot after a few beers ? ;D ;D
Did you check out back ? ;D