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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: santahog on May 22, 2012, 09:20:03 AM
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Krauthammer On Drones Flying In US: "Stop It Here, Stop It Now"
"I'm going to go hard left on you here, I'm going ACLU," syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said in opposition to the use of drones on the U.S. homeland. "I don't want regulations, I don't want restrictions, I want a ban on this. Drones are instruments of war. The Founders had a great aversion to any instruments of war, the use of the military inside even the United States. It didn't like standing armies, it has all kinds of statutes of using the army in the country."
"A drone is a high-tech version of an old army and a musket. It ought to be used in Somalia to hunt bad guys but not in America. I don't want to see it hovering over anybody's home. Yes, you can say we have satellites, we've got Google Street View and London has a camera on every street corner but that's not an excuse to cave in on everything else and accept a society where you're always under -- being watched by the government. This is not what we want," Krauthammer said on the panel portion of FOX News' "Special Report."
"I would say that you ban it under all circumstances and I would predict, I'm not encouraging, but I an predicting that the first guy who uses a Second Amendment weapon to bring a drone down that's been hovering over his house is going to be a folk hero in this country," Krauthammer said tonight.
"I would say the price of liberty. You can hear a helicopter, you can't hear a drone. You know, if you hear a helicopter you hide under a bush. Well, you can't with this which is why it's effective in Pakistan and elsewhere. It's deft and it's silent. I don't think we want a society where if there are the objects, hovering over streaming, real-time information about you, your family, your car, your location," Krauthammer said later in the segment.
"It's not worth it," he said.
"The Founders we're deeply opposed to the militarization of civil society. There is all kinds of aversions to it and this is importing it because, as you say, it's cheap, it's easy, it's silent. It's something that you can easily deploy. It's going to be, I think the bane of our existence. Stop it here, stop it now," Krauthammer said at the end of the panel segment. "Strong letter to follow."
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How are drones any different than a cop walking a beat, or a guy in a fire tower ?
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Ask him?..
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His argument about it being a "militarization of civil society" is a load of crap.
It is simply finding civilian use for a technology that happened to be advanced by the military.
Remember, remotely controlled air craft have been around for 50 years as toys for hobbyists, so it is not "military technology the way a tank, or bomb would be.
A good analogy would be aircraft, the carrying capacity developed for WWI bombers made possible the air mail flights of the 20's using the Curtiss "Jenny", an American made version of the DH-4 bomber.
This is just applying the next step in technology to a job that is already being done.
Surveillance is already done with airplanes and helicopters, same with fire watch.
I'm not impressed with the spying, but since I live in a heavily forested state that hasn't had a manned fire tower in 30 years I'm damned glad they are looking for them from the air.
Using this guys reasoning you could not have a 30-06 or 45, or teflon pans, because those were developed especially for the military and that would be "militarization of civil society."
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You forgot the computer, internet, GPS, cell phones, and the airplane Tom.
I have to laugh at junk like this from people that are just looking for ratings or to stir up crap, a lot like all this NDAA stuff.
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You forgot the computer, internet, GPS, cell phones, and the airplane Tom.
I have to laugh at junk like this from people that are just looking for ratings or to stir up crap, a lot like all this NDAA stuff.
The computer is an IDEAL example !
Since the first one was built to do the calculations for the Atomic Bomb.
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I'm with you guys on this one.
Talk about closing the doors after the horses have left the barn. :P
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Sorry.. I couldn't resist.. :D
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Sorry.. I couldn't resist.. :D
There you go ! LOL ;D
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Around the mid 80s I read came across 3 developments that led me to and evil idea.
One was a rocket that a hobbyist could build that could be controlled with simple RC servos for elevator and rudder.
The second was a RADAR sensor that would output voltages in a X,Y coordinate system that would allow the sensor to control movement of motors so it would point at the RADAR device.
The third was the output jack of my Valentine 1 Radar detector. It was used to power a larger external speaker.
So, put them all together and you have a rocket with the RC Servos controlled by the RADAR sensor's outputs and it's rocket engine started by a signal from the speaker output jack on my radar detector. Fill the rocket with some home made explosives and mount the rocket on a sky rack on the roof of the car.
The image I get is toping a hill on the interstate at 100mph, my radar detector beeping like crazy and a woosh as the rocket takes off and zeros in on the Highway Patrol car hiding in the bushes on the left side of the road.
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A home made version of this ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM
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A better option is a perfect corner reflector - it returns 100% of signal + strength directly back at the source but 180% out of phase.
Aligned in to a radar source, nulls the read out to 0 - thus you should be able to drive as fast as you want (all be it STRAIGHT AT the radar) and they would see you moving a 0 miles per hour.
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Sorry.. I couldn't resist.. :D
Although a joke, there is a spot of I-5 near Fresno that is "patrolled" by AH-1s. Harris Ranch is a cattle farm, resteraunt, and airport right next to the freeway that regularly has local ANG Snake drivers on the ramp for lunch. CHP Air Support usually stops too, but they're "just" using an A-Star.
BTW at Harris Ranch you're steak moo-ed less than a day before. DAMN good food.
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Around the mid 80s I read came across 3 developments that led me to and evil idea.
One was a rocket that a hobbyist could build that could be controlled with simple RC servos for elevator and rudder.
The second was a RADAR sensor that would output voltages in a X,Y coordinate system that would allow the sensor to control movement of motors so it would point at the RADAR device.
The third was the output jack of my Valentine 1 Radar detector. It was used to power a larger external speaker.
So, put them all together and you have a rocket with the RC Servos controlled by the RADAR sensor's outputs and it's rocket engine started by a signal from the speaker output jack on my radar detector. Fill the rocket with some home made explosives and mount the rocket on a sky rack on the roof of the car.
The image I get is toping a hill on the interstate at 100mph, my radar detector beeping like crazy and a woosh as the rocket takes off and zeros in on the Highway Patrol car hiding in the bushes on the left side of the road.
If you could build one of these to take out tailgaters, I'll take two, but it needs to be mounted low with shielding for the tank when it launches.. You could tie it to a short, wide monitor across the bottom of the rear glass that reads "If you can read this, you're too close" with a countdown from 9 underneath..
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If you could build one of these to take out tailgaters, I'll take two, but it needs to be mounted low with shielding for the tank when it launches.. You could tie it to a short, wide monitor across the bottom of the rear glass that reads "If you can read this, you're too close" with a countdown from 9 underneath..
I had an idea about that also.
I read somewhere about it being possible to adapt a Remington 1100 to be belt fed. There wasn't enough detail for me to know if it would work, but it seemed unlikely to me.
However that didn't stop me from thinking the hot setup would be to have three mounted low in your trunk and firing out somewhere near bumper level, angled up just a bit.
A 3 round burst should be enough to discourage most tailgaters.
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I had an idea about that also.
I read somewhere about it being possible to adapt a Remington 1100 to be belt fed. There wasn't enough detail for me to know if it would work, but it seemed unlikely to me.
However that didn't stop me from thinking the hot setup would be to have three mounted low in your trunk and firing out somewhere near bumper level, angled up just a bit.
A 3 round burst should be enough to discourage most tailgaters.
Flipping channels the other day, Sons of Guns built something very similar. It was an armored Porche Cayenne SUV with a pair of M16s in a roof rack, a suppressed one in the license plate and two "claymore" devices in the trunk lid. All were controlled from the cab and the guns were CCTV sighted. The anti-personnel devices blew 3K BBs, but blew out the back window. Considering teh armor plate was in the passenger compartment, not the cargo area, and they would be used to get away from a big threat I'd call it successful. A LOT over teh top for average Joe but still a good excersize.
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I had an idea about that also.
I read somewhere about it being possible to adapt a Remington 1100 to be belt fed. There wasn't enough detail for me to know if it would work, but it seemed unlikely to me.
However that didn't stop me from thinking the hot setup would be to have three mounted low in your trunk and firing out somewhere near bumper level, angled up just a bit.
A 3 round burst should be enough to discourage most tailgaters.
Flipping channels the other day, Sons of Guns built something very similar. It was an armored Porche Cayenne SUV with a pair of M16s in a roof rack, a suppressed one in the license plate and two "claymore" devices in the trunk lid. All were controlled from the cab and the guns were CCTV sighted. The anti-personnel devices blew 3K BBs, but blew out the back window. Considering teh armor plate was in the passenger compartment, not the cargo area, and they would be used to get away from a big threat I'd call it successful. A LOT over teh top for average Joe but still a good excersize.
Kids and guns.
Old in the butt, young in the mind ;D
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Flipping channels the other day, Sons of Guns built something very similar. It was an armored Porche Cayenne SUV with a pair of M16s in a roof rack, a suppressed one in the license plate and two "claymore" devices in the trunk lid. All were controlled from the cab and the guns were CCTV sighted. The anti-personnel devices blew 3K BBs, but blew out the back window. Considering teh armor plate was in the passenger compartment, not the cargo area, and they would be used to get away from a big threat I'd call it successful. A LOT over teh top for average Joe but still a good excersize.
Not that I could do the work myself, but that Porsche sported some pretty shoddy finish work in the back, the way I saw it.. I was really surprised about that.. Also, what do the passengers do when the pursuer gets in the blind side off the left rear quarterpanel? I was unimpressed.. It looked like a (B) movie job...
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It simply will not work without a Pugnewton Isolator. Keep me posted on progress I keep two around..... ::)
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Flipping channels the other day, Sons of Guns built something very similar. It was an armored Porche Cayenne SUV with a pair of M16s in a roof rack, a suppressed one in the license plate and two "claymore" devices in the trunk lid. All were controlled from the cab and the guns were CCTV sighted. The anti-personnel devices blew 3K BBs, but blew out the back window. Considering teh armor plate was in the passenger compartment, not the cargo area, and they would be used to get away from a big threat I'd call it successful. A LOT over teh top for average Joe but still a good excersize.
I watched that episode and remembered that shotgun idea ;D ;D
I think I'll hold off on installing claymore launchers till someone figures out how to belt feed them ;D ;D ;D
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BTW at Harris Ranch you're steak moo-ed less than a day before. DAMN good food.
I used to live by a restaurant that the steak walked in under its own power--they slaughtered and butchered their own. MMMMM