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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on June 06, 2012, 11:13:14 AM
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That's the way to keep the debate "civilized".
Nice example "for the children".
Way to go liberals.
http://news.yahoo.com/barrett-slapped-face-conceding-recall-walker-135618842--abc-news-politics.html
MILWAUKEE - It must have stung for Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett to call Gov. Scott Walker and concede defeat Tuesday night, but not nearly as much as the slap he got from a supporter angry over his concession speech.
Shortly after 10 p.m. local time, Barrett took the stage at his election night rally in downtown Milwaukee. By then, networks had projected Walker as the winner of the recall race.
"I just got off the phone with Gov. Walker and congratulated him on his victory tonight," Barrett said, prompting boos from the crowd. "We agreed that it is important for us to work together."
"No!" shouted the crowd.
Afterwards, as Barrett greeted his supporters, a woman approached him and reportedly asked, "Can I slap you?" Barrett replied that he would prefer that she hugged him, so he leaned down, anticipating a hug but instead got the slap that she had requested. In the video of the incident, Barrett's head jerks back from the slap.
No one reacts very strongly to the slap and Barrett continued on greeting his disappointed supporters.
The woman, who was immediately identified, was upset that Barrett was conceding while people were still trying to vote.
Voters in Milwaukee Tuesday - before the results were in - said they hoped the state could move past its political differences once the election ended.
"Half the population is mad at the other half and that's not a good thing," Paul Sohn, a salesman, said at a polling station south of the city. "We need to get away from that, need to figure it out."
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"Half the population is mad at the other half and that's not a good thing," Paul Sohn, a salesman, said at a polling station south of the city. "We need to get away from that, need to figure it out."
That's right, The half that are paying the bills are fed up with being fleeced blind to support a bunch of lazy interlopers that produce nothing. That's exactly what the reelection of Walker was about, it was confirmation that the taxpayers have had enough. It's a message to those not pulling their own weight. Get off your asses and start contributing. We are tired of paying your way on top of our own.
Unfortunately, I see violence increasing this year as unions are desparate to hold on to thier power. Look for the occupods to be out in force and cause all manner of disruptions. There will be no "getting away from that". I predict this being "figured out" in the streets.
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It will be fun to watch the big cities burn down because the sheep will get an education that maybe they can't hide after all.
It's good to be located in an area where there won't be widespread violence and one can live in peace. Just watch the show.
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As a side observation, a candidate making a concession call to his rival doesn't mean that caller is not elected if the final count turns around, does it?
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I don't know, but it would pull the rug out from under any recount demand.
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Remember Gore taking back his concession after giving it to Bush over the phone?
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At least conservatives have had an opportunity to arm themselves in advance now!!!
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Remember Gore taking back his concession after giving it to Bush over the phone?
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At least conservatives have had an opportunity to arm themselves in advance now!!!
Honestly ?
No I had forgotten about that.
But it is perfectly in character for a Dem, "He was for it before he was against it".
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Legally and ethically once you verbally or in writing concede you are done and out if it is accepted by the other side. When V.P. Gore phoned Bush and conceded, Bush could have held him to it.
Basic law concerning contracts and verbal agreements. I can't remember when or if it was covered in high school, but it was in every business class through college. Anything said verbally in a business setting can become binding upon acceptance of the other party.
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Legally and ethically once you verbally or in writing concede you are done and out if it is accepted by the other side. When V.P. Gore phoned Bush and conceded, Bush could have held him to it.
Basic law concerning contracts and verbal agreements. I can't remember when or if it was covered in high school, but it was in every business class through college. Anything said verbally in a business setting can become binding upon acceptance of the other party.
We're talking about democrats, "ethics" have no place in the discussion.
If you don't believe me, ask Charlie Wrangel, Maxine Waters, or Eric Holder. >:(
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Legally and ethically once you verbally or in writing concede you are done and out if it is accepted by the other side. When V.P. Gore phoned Bush and conceded, Bush could have held him to it.
Basic law concerning contracts and verbal agreements. I can't remember when or if it was covered in high school, but it was in every business class through college. Anything said verbally in a business setting can become binding upon acceptance of the other party.
That doesn't feel right to me.
The politicians interests aren't the only ones in the mix. The entire voting populace for the election has an interest and it doesn't seem right that the politician can discard that with a verbal contract.
They can only disregard the interests of the electorate AFTER they are elected. ;D ;D ;D
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Solus,
What about the candidates that walk away from their campaigns during the primaries? Don't they have a responsibility to the voters?
A contract is a contract. The question isn't whether they should have entered into the contract. The question is did they enter into the contract.
In 2000, Gore entered a contract with Bush in which Gore conceded the race and gave the office to Bush. When the whole fight over recounts started Bush could have brought up contract law. Gore would counter with faulting information leading to his decision, but that would not matter. Gore made the decision and made the offer of his own free will, and Bush accepted it making it a binding contract. This exact example was made at a business seminar lead by a panel of five attorneys and judges. They were demonstrating how easy we can lock ourselves into something we don't intend or want.
Would this verbal contract of held up in the months of court cases. Who knows, but since the courts ruled that invalid voting techniques and spoiled ballets needed to be interpreted and counted ...
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Hmmm...well, look at it this way.
Before the election the candidates can do what they wish and the ones who might have a valid breach of contract case would be the contributors.
Once the votes have been cast, I see it as a contract between the voters and the candidate and the candidate cannot breach that that contract with a later contract with his opponent.
He can resign, but then his running mate would fulfill the contract.
*Where's FQ when you really need him ;D ;D ;D
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The thing Solus is that these clowns are resigning before the votes are counted. They aren't waiting until they are (whatever) elect.
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The thing Solus is that these clowns are resigning before the votes are counted. They aren't waiting until they are (whatever) elect.
Counted or not doesn't matter. They have been cast. The contract with the electorate becomes effective when the polls close.
I doubt anyone has conceded before the polls have closed. They are conceding based upon predictions of the results.
I would never concede unless the ballots remaining to be counted were less than my opponents lead plus the recount margin. I would owe that much to the voters.
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Something both of you may be overlooking is that both candidates have representatives at each polling place who report to the campaign headquarters.
Just because the media has not reported an official total does not mean the candidates don't have a real good idea how things are going.
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Not overlooking it.
If I were 1,000,000 votes behind and there were 1,000,000 votes to count, I'd not concede.
If there were 999,999, I would.....actually I'd take into account the recount margin....but I would unrealistically assume that all the uncounted votes could be cast for me.