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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Timothy on July 31, 2012, 11:43:31 AM
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Well ladies and gents, it looks like I'm going back to work! I've accepted an offer of re-employment (probationary) with my old employer. Agency work to permanent in 12 weeks at my old salary. They're in the weeds they're so busy! Lets hope it stays that way.
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And no, Obama has nothing whatever to do with it.... ::)
more later...
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Congrats and prayers for the continued best!
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It's official, I'm going to go deposit some body fluids in a cup here in an hour or so...
Thanks for the prayers. Keep it up for the other 30 million un and under-employed...
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Timothy: "I'm going to go deposit some body fluids in a cup here in an hour or so..."
is that some sort of celebration that I know nothing about?
Congrats on the gig :)
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Glad to hear it !
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Tim, Great news! That's how I got back in it...old employer got busy and they know right where to go for good help.
Hope it keeps up.
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Great news!
Now to get myself a really good job again. Someday. On the plus side, I get to do the HR paperwork today for job #3.
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Tim, Great news! That's how I got back in it...old employer got busy and they know right where to go for good help.
Hope it keeps up.
That's not likely to happen for me .
My last employer seems to have a reputation for late deliveries and cost over runs, the one before that makes medical devices, BO will kill them in a year or 2.
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the one before that makes medical devices, BO will kill them in a year or 2.
That's all I was finding down here Tom and it's getting scary! There is a boat load of machining work to be had but for how long?
That's why I'm going back to my old job. I'll be working with the same guy that I had some issues with but he's no longer the manager. He got demoted to grunt engineer....
Crow doesn't taste so bad with some salt, pepper and a bit of Tabasco... ;D
Hang in there, wish I could help!
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Waiting to hear on a couple leads .
Hope springs eternal.
And if those don't work out there's always politics.
Michelle Obama will be in town Thursday so I'm stocking up on beans, pickled eggs and cabbage.
Got some turnip too .
It will be an appearance she will NEVER forget, at least her nose won't ;D
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I'll be working with the same guy that I had some issues with but he's no longer the manager. He got demoted to grunt engineer....
That's a shame. ;)
Nice to hear good news.
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Waiting to hear on a couple leads .
Hope springs eternal.
And if those don't work out there's always politics.
Michelle Obama will be in town Thursday so I'm stocking up on beans, pickled eggs and cabbage.
Got some turnip too .
It will be an appearance she will NEVER forget, at least her nose won't ;D
We never get visits here! This town has an independent/conservative mayor so I doubt the Obama's would get the red carpet here anyway....he'll still probably take MA but I think Romney will have a strong showing...
Remember, never trust a fart.....and never kick a fresh turd on a hot day! ;D
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Good to hear the good news, Tim!!
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We never get visits here! This town has an independent/conservative mayor so I doubt the Obama's would get the red carpet here anyway....he'll still probably take MA but I think Romney will have a strong showing...
Remember, never trust a fart.....and never kick a fresh turd on a hot day! ;D
For the effect it's worth it, even if I crap myself.
I'll just shake it out the leg of my pants and chant "4 more years" I'll blend right in . ;D
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Sounds Great, Tim.
Has to be better than the last time....take care.
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Sounds Great, Tim.
Has to be better than the last time....take care.
Thanks VB... ;)
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Good to hear the good news, Tim!!
Thanks Chuck!
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Great news!
Now to get myself a really good job again. Someday. On the plus side, I get to do the HR paperwork today for job #3.
Hang in there B...it's out there somewhere!
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Tim, Great news! That's how I got back in it...old employer got busy and they know right where to go for good help.
Hope it keeps up.
For you as well Jay...
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Good news, Tim.
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Good news, Tim.
Yes, good indeed! Thanks Alf...
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Congrats Tim! I feel like a d!ck complaining about my job knowing so many don't have one but I am afraid if my management keeps going down the same path there will be another 75 joining the Unenjoyment ranks.
Thank God for Monster, Indeed, CareerBuilder, connections and recruiters because I'm using them all.
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Congrats Tim! I feel like a d!ck complaining about my job knowing so many don't have one but I am afraid if my management keeps going down the same path there will be another 75 joining the Unenjoyment ranks.
Thank God for Monster, Indeed, CareerBuilder, connections and recruiters because I'm using them all.
Hang in there Magoo! You and I come from similar backgrounds. We've spent a lifetime on the shop floor. My buddy (the plant mgr) told me today though they have a lot of talent in engineering, they lack in real world, hands on experience. Sometimes you have to get sweaty, dirty and bleed a bit!
I got lucky today! I had a lot of help from the mechanics on the floor lobbying for my return! That meant more to me than any amount of money I'll make!
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Congrats Tim!
God Bless,
Richard
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Fantastic Timothy!!!!!! Very Good News!!!!!!!
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About damn time! ;)
Congrats my friend, great news!
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Congrats Tim!
God Bless,
Richard
Fantastic Timothy!!!!!! Very Good News!!!!!!!
About damn time! ;)
Congrats my friend, great news!
Thanks..
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I got up this morning, made my coffee and without thinking started my daily job searches online!
I was about half way through my cup-o-joe before I realized what I was doing... ;D
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GREAT news, Timmy!! Good things to good people.
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GREAT news, Timmy!! Good things to good people.
Or really persistent ones! ;)
Thanks Tom!
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First day back at work for the old company I left about two years ago. Seems like only yesterday....
The company has made huge strides to make the work infinitely more complex and difficult to perform! Never let a dozen engineers put their minds together for anything more than a moment! Nothing good can come of it...
On a positive note....since we have have so many new, raw, over educated college boys, it's a target rich environment! ;D
It's work! If it were fun, they'd call it fun, right? Damn glad to have it.... ;)
There was a silent cheer from the mechanics when I walked through the shop...that was nice....
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Amen Timothy.......Choose your targets well,.... ;)
+1 on the engineers..... ;D
All the best,...
tw
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Amen Timothy.......Choose your targets well,....
Yea, shut your eyes and throw a _________ (you fill in the blank). Feel for ya. I worked for/with a bunch of PE's including some at the Federal level....what a pain.
Richard
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The company has made huge strides to make the work infinitely more complex and difficult to perform! Never let a dozen engineers put their minds together for anything more than a moment! Nothing good can come of it...
Ah but there's job security in both chaos and complexity. If it were easy, then anybody could do it. As long as nobody else can figure it out, you've got a job!
So in the middle of total calamity, when everyone else is panicking. you'll have a quite smile on your face and only we will know why.
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I got lucky today! I had a lot of help from the mechanics on the floor lobbying for my return! That meant more to me than any amount of money I'll make!
That's awesome, Timothy!!
I know I'm a jackass at times, but I missed this thread completely until this morning, so I haven't responded, so it's not cuz I'm a jackass - just not on here as much as I would like to be. I finally went back to work this February, had to travel to do it, but lucked into a very good gig. But it's long days, away from home for a stretch, and dealing with TSA wonks. At least they're both small town airports, so it's not as bad as the .gov drones at places like Denver and Chicago.
Congrats Tim!
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Thank Path...
A tour... :D
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I see you've got your "Machinery's Handbook" moved in. ;D
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I see you've got your "Machinery's Handbook" moved in. ;D
I pack light...calculator, MH, a pen, highlighters, tape measure, couple of Starrett machinist rules that are older 'un me (dads), a thermos and a cup o joe...been that way for twenty years. It makes for fast exits...
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And.....
Some TP...
;D
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Looks like my desk but in tan, even have a similar phone. My MH stays in my toolbox by the EZtrak but I haven't seen much of either for the last two weeks. Working with engineers is a pain, working with customer's engineers approving everything is even worse and working for .gov contractor engineers is a level in hell I am sure.
A simple conveyor system can be seriously messed up with that many engineers involved and I get to sit at the bottom of the hill catching all the sh@t and make it work. ::)
BUT a week of school and I'm done with classes for my BA in Business and I can turn up the job search effort. I already have resumes out and a recruiter working for me but I need to get my eyes on some job openings. Any suggestions?
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Magoo,
I tried the management side of manufacturing and couldn't stomach the incessant ass kissing, politics and being forced to lay people off because the boss wanted a bigger boat. The money was good but not worth the heartache! Six or seven years ago, I walked away from that nightmare and have pledged to never supervise people again. I'd rather eat a fresh turd on a hot day then tell good men and women the company is doing extremely well, there's just nothing to spread around to the folks doing all the work...
YMMV...good luck!
Remember you can lead an engineer to water, he may not drink, but if he tries, you can hold him under until the bubbles stop..
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An optimist says a glass filled half way is half full, while a pessimist says it is half empty and an engineer says it is twice as big as it needs to be.
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An optimist says a glass filled half way is half full, while a pessimist says it is half empty and an engineer says it is twice as big as it needs to be.
And before marketing can spin it, they have to know whether you are drinking or pouring.
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After two days of trying to glean information from the newer guys I finally stepped knee deep into a project today! I spent two or three hours on the shop floor discussing the project with the lead mechanic so we were both on the same page. I prefer to get their input before I begin because I don't like redoing the methods and materials bill after the project is released. We both agreed to a plan, I started and finished the CAD work and began the ERP methods by late afternoon. I'll finish it in the am, at least to the point that I can get it reviewed by the mechanic. In all that time, the other four guys in the department never got off their fat asses longer than it took to get a cup of joe!
I got the feeling the mechanics are glad to have me back! No one's been talking to them lately. The engineers just blindly work the projects without input from the people doing the work!
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You are doing good, Tim.
I went to college for a Systems Analysis degree....might be called and Efficiency Expert....with the emphasis on computer based systems. One of the 'rules' the drilled into us was to talk to the guy doing the job....all of the jobs involved.
One of the examples was for a dairy company that delivered milk to the doorstep. The class was in 1970 and that was rarely done any more then, but it was a good example.
The system required the driver to mark a sheet with the number of each item delivered to an address. The point was that these deliveries are done at 2am and if we don't ride in the truck, we don't know what conditions we are asking someone to record numbers in tiny blocks on a form. Is there a light in the cab? Is there a place to put a clip board? Is there anything else going on that would make the job a PITA?
When we did a project, we had to interview the instructor, telling him who he was for the interview and asking questions. Our grade depended upon how well we integrated the needs and concerns of everyone for the project along with how well the system gathered the information needed.
What might take me an extra hour or two to get it right all around would save everyone who had to do the job frustration for the life of the system.
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Some of our handy work...
This is a gas turbine exhaust diffuser. To give you a scale of the size of it, the welding curtain is about 6 ft tall. It's mounted on a gimbal to aid in the final welding. It's not half finished and will require machining before final assembly!
All 304L stainless steel.
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Big stuff. Horizontal mill I assume ?
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Big stuff. Horizontal mill I assume ?
I'd guess. We subcontract the heavy stuff. We still don't have much for machining other than a few knee mills, a couple of Prototrak and the Haas. They moved most of that to another building since I left. Coincidentally, they rented the building my last employer owned back in '06.
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Last thing you want to hear when someone is machining that is "DAMMIT!" Its funny how few mistakes are made when the going gets tough, its almost always the simple stuff that bites you.
Big stuff, I'll have to post some pics of the line we're building.
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I was putzing around the shop this afternoon and was paged to the conference room. When I got there, the two guys I started the department with were waiting.. Ones the Plant Mgr and the other the Eng. Mgr...
They dropped the largest assembly we build in my lap and said "It's your baby, run with it!"
Into the fire....each copy is nearly 12 tons assembled, we have to ship them in two pieces because they're too tall for the lowboy and too heavy for our biggest crane! They run between $600K-$800K each....
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Let the fun begin...
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12 TONS!! You got a big lap. ;D ;D
Sounds like they have a lot of faith in you...
You're gonna love it and do great.
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The document package from GE makes the Affordable Care Act bill from congress look like a short story! It's thousands of pages of specs and hundreds of drawings.
Massive....but we've been building them for years. Just start with the little problem and eventually you solve the bigger problem!
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Finishing up a .gov project right now, ~$2.5 million range, and the spec is their bible. Ours is only about an inch and a half thick and covers about 7-8 truck loads worth of conveyors, airlocks and turntables but its been a pain, a headache, and almost made my manager cry today ;D NO it wasn't me-my buddy though- I was busy with the customer, the quality rep and the contract operator going over the first 6 Quality books... almost done... just keep thinking-almost done...
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That's why they call them specs, boys! Nothing like .gov to turn a mountain into all the mountain ranges combines. They know specs.
My day job is writing architectural specs, and therre's a huge difference between .gov and non-.gov projects. More paper = bigger budget.
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Congrats Timothy! If you are going to come out of retirement this is the way to do it ;)
On to the stacks of papers and specs. I look at the number of products that have been produced over the years with nothing more than sketches and dimensions on a coffee shop napkin, and wonder how we got here. When I was on our utilities commission I had to sign the documents. I honestly spent more time arguing with engineers and attorneys about the crap they required than the time it took to do the stuff. Our City Engineer speced out a project that required a gravel road; the construction phase required that a truck have a driveway approach 65' wide for their two special trailers that would arrive in the morning and depart before evening; so the engineer required a 14 ton road, and the day after the delivery the extra 45 feet of approach was removed. The engineer called me a liar when I pulled out my building moving experience and explained that that load could be planked the 200 yards from the road to the sight. $75k later I am trying to explain to real people that it wasn't my idea, but I was the one that had to endure the broken glass enema.
Enjoy your 6" think spec books, and remember it is just a bunch of overpaid college type proving their value to those that measure value by the ream.
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Enjoy your 6" think spec books, and remember it is just a bunch of overpaid college type proving their value to those that measure value by the ream.
We have a winner. The Purchasing Specialist on my project has been out of the University of Kentucky for two years. This is the 5th site they have built and we are fighting the same fight they had 20 years ago because nobody wants to revise their spec. ::)
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Well, I took a glance at the drawing set this afternoon. Only 566 pages for the explosion proof version.
Most of the mechanical parts I've touch when I worked here from 2008-2010. Gotta get with the mechanic and review the BOM and methods next week and dive in...much reading on the H2 system, liquid level detection and other stuff...
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Well kids, my twelve weeks probation is over on Friday and I've just received the official offer of employment from HR department in Tulsa!
I'm officially employed on Monday!
I know there are lot of us that are or were in the same boat and I want you all to know that it matters when people you don't know or will probably never meet are pulling for you to succeed!
Thanks for all the well wishes and continued hope for those of us still trying!
Tim
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Congrats Timmy!!!
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I'm hoping the my good luck will be like the bad was.
When Obama won I lost my OT, when he was sworn in I lost my job.
I'm hoping that when he loses I'll get a job, and when Romney's sworn in I'll start getting OT.
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My division just bought a machine shop Tom, too bad it's in North Adams, MA! About as far away from you as possible...I can drop your name if you want though.
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Not in Ma, thanks though.
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Timmy, this just goes to prove that sometimes good things really do happen to good people.
Now we need to hear, "Bogan, party of one!!" ;D
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WooooHoooo Tim :D :D :D :D
So now we have 1461 reasons to vote BO out.....Tom needs a job and OT ;D ;D ;D