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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on August 27, 2012, 11:07:00 AM
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Break time lead to a little follow up on the weather down south.
Yesterday I saw that New Orleans was in the sights of Tropical Storm Isaac. Sunday early afternoon I saw the first reports of this direct hit, and as of now they are saying it will hit on Wednesday morning. Let's get this timing down folks: Sunday noon to Monday noon is 24hrs; Monday noon to Tuesday noon is another 24 hrs; Tuesday noon to Tuesday midnight is another 12 hrs; and Tuesday midnight to Wednesday 6 AM is another 6 hrs. We have a total of 66 hours from the time I heard the news to when it is projected to hit.
Everyone is now fully notified that I firmly believe that if you live in an area on the coast that is below sea level and you are not prepared to handle a tropical storm with 66 hours notice It isn't my fault, it isn't our government's fault, and it isn't Bush's fault! I also do not want to hear ranting about FEMA.
Personal responsibility boys and girls!
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I saw the mayor this morning informing people that the airport, Superdome and other areas that were last ditch hidey holes seven years ago will not be available this time in an emergancy. I surmised by that information that if he calls for a mandatory evac, you'd better listen because no ones is coming to get you!
I had to leave for work so I missed the follow up...
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In my yard here in the swamps of S. Florida, between Sat. night and today, over 13" of rain. It rained more today than yesterday when Issac cruised over the keys.
Let's see if the $14 BILLION DOLLARS American taxpayers contributed since Katrina to upgraded pumps and levee's were worth it.
At least I saw on the news, there are a lot more people getting the hell out.
AND, since it's an election year, I'm sure the Gestapo tactics of throwing old ladies on the ground and taking their dead husbands ol' .32 revolver and declaring "Only WE will have the guns",.....will not happen this time.
As well as cops participating in the looting, the house to house robberies committed by city workers, and the subsequent disarming, confiscation, and unlawful violations of citizens rights....
(We can only hope),.....
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Yesterday, Wednesday, I was riding between meetings, and I heard something interesting on the news: Isaac hit the coast exactly as planned and forecast three days earlier. However, there was a major issue - The power is off in the area, so the National Weather Service does not have any radar to track and send warnings. Who plans an agency responsible for handling natural disasters in an area and does not include a back up generator in the facility?
Maybe if the National Weather Service wasn't purchasing guns and ammo they could purchase and maintain the tools and equipment to do their jobs with!
By the way, just as I expected and the reason I started this on Sunday: A full 72 hours of warning and notice, and some Louisiana idiots are on their roofs looking to be rescued. Please, Please, Please, read Darwin's writings before launching boats and helicopters to rescue these ...
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Yesterday, Wednesday, I was riding between meetings, and I heard something interesting on the news: Isaac hit the coast exactly as planned and forecast three days earlier. However, there was a major issue - The power is off in the area, so the National Weather Service does not have any radar to track and send warnings. Who plans an agency responsible for handling natural disasters in an area and does not include a back up generator in the facility?
Maybe if the National Weather Service wasn't purchasing guns and ammo they could purchase and maintain the tools and equipment to do their jobs with!
By the way, just as I expected and the reason I started this on Sunday: A full 72 hours of warning and notice, and some Louisiana idiots are on their roofs looking to be rescued. Please, Please, Please, read Darwin's writings before launching boats and helicopters to rescue these ...
These are probably the dumbasses who said "Oh well, The Lord will provide."
He DID, he gave you 3 days warning and you were to damned inbred to take advantage of it.
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you know, if I ever am in a position to decided to hunker down for a hurricane and possible flood, I'll make damn sure I have a boat tied to my chimney.
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Oh, and they can't help it,.....there is looting....but at least they are being arrested.
http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/NOPD-continues-to-arrest-looters/-/9853400/16429596/-/5w6p67/-/index.html
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-30/national-guard-humvees-roll-in-new-orleans-to-prevent-looting
Not as rampant this time.,.....I would prefer a Doc Holiday/Johnny Ringo approach.
Gee am I being racist?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/rajncajn/Hurricane%20Katrina/8214080-R1-052-24A.jpg)
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(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/417431_445422275495872_150509301_n.jpg)
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Tyler, You're just as bad as the rest of us. ;D
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you know, if I ever am in a position to decided to hunker down for a hurricane and possible flood, I'll make damn sure I have a boat tied to my chimney.
If you need your boat in Ohio we're all screwed.
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Oh, and they can't help it,.....there is looting....but at least they are being arrested.
http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/NOPD-continues-to-arrest-looters/-/9853400/16429596/-/5w6p67/-/index.html
Gee am I being racist?
Guessing the looter wasnt a white australian on holiday looking for a pub, by the looks of that "bling" ;D
(http://www.wdsu.com/image/view/-/16430388/lowRes/2/-/maxh/460/maxw/620/-/bovbfa/-/Looting-jpg.png)
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I mean absolutely no offense to all the folks who live down there, but New Orleans has to be the most idiotic place for a major city. Instead of constantly pumping billions of dollars into keeping it dry, that money should be spent to do a one-time buyout of all property, and to relocate everyone. Then let it sink and become a National Monument to man's stupidity. Damn the historical value of the city, it's just not worth it.
Almost 30 years ago, John McPhee wrote The Control Of Nature, which is three essays on man's attempt to stem the tide of natural occurring events. One of the essays was on our government's herculean effort at tremendous cost to control the flow of the mighty Mississippi. At best it's a never ending battle, but IMO, the river will eventually win. While it has a bit of a tree-hugging slant, the essay does of very good, and even prophetic, job of outlining the challenges with the levee system and dangers New Orleans faces. The full essay is here and is a good read, especially if you live in the area.
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1987/02/23/1987_02_23_039_TNY_CARDS_000347146
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I read his book on Alaska years ago, it seemed pretty informative although all the information is likely out of date now.
The problem with letting the river do as it pleases is that for 200 years now its barges and shipping have been a major economic pillar of the central US.
You will note, however, that it's the newer sections of New Orleans that get flooded, even the French were smart enough to build on the highest parts of the swamp.
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You're right that it's a major economic area for our nation. And that's the tragedy, because the problem with the eroding coastlines and subsiding parishes caused by the levees is only compounding the threats to New Orleans. Just watch, in the next 10 to 50 years, this area is going to turn into the largest money pit the world has ever seen. Just to keep it viable and dry and it's already happening now. So should America bite the bullet now, or pump trillions of dollars over the next decades to maintain the status quo?
Of course they're not going to abandon it, but it seems like such a massive waste of national resources caused by underestimating the river and poor planning in the past.
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Sort of like,....Venice? (Italy)
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You're right that it's a major economic area for our nation. And that's the tragedy, because the problem with the eroding coastlines and subsiding parishes caused by the levees is only compounding the threats to New Orleans. Just watch, in the next 10 to 50 years, this area is going to turn into the largest money pit the world has ever seen. Just to keep it viable and dry and it's already happening now. So should America bite the bullet now, or pump trillions of dollars over the next decades to maintain the status quo?
Of course they're not going to abandon it, but it seems like such a massive waste of national resources caused by underestimating the river and poor planning in the past.
Oh, I'm not defending NO, just talking about keeping the river navigable.
My suggestion, which will definitely not happen, is the next hurricane to flood it tell them tough sh!t, go build ABOVE water level.
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My suggestion, which will definitely not happen, is the next hurricane to flood it tell them tough sh!t, go build ABOVE water level.
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For those folks who have never been to New Orleans, it's a strange feeling to be sitting at Cafe Du Monde in the French Quarter enjoying some chicory coffee and beignets while viewing the levee. And then realizing that the Mississippi River is on the other side and 20 feet above your head.
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For those folks who have never been to New Orleans, it's a strange feeling to be sitting at Cafe Du Monde in the French Quarter enjoying some chicory coffee and beignets while viewing the levee. And then realizing that the Mississippi River is on the other side and 20 feet above your head.
Pretty creepy ain't it?
I worked for a time at a nuclear plant near Kilona in St Charles Parish. Directly across the road was the 30 or 40 foot levee that was holding back the Might Miss! It was really quite unsettling for this northern boy!
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For those folks who have never been to New Orleans, it's a strange feeling to be sitting at Cafe Du Monde in the French Quarter enjoying some chicory coffee and beignets while viewing the levee. And then realizing that the Mississippi River is on the other side and 20 feet above your head.
Creepy started flying into the airport and seeing that all the graves were mausoleums above ground and realizing it was water under a few inches of dirt.
Flying into there my first trip, my first impression was that it was sunken...it just looks below sea level from the air.
Of course much of Holland is below sea level and they manage it seems.
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For those folks who have never been to New Orleans, it's a strange feeling to be sitting at Cafe Du Monde in the French Quarter enjoying some chicory coffee and beignets while viewing the levee. And then realizing that the Mississippi River is on the other side and 20 feet above your head.
And Tennessee William's street car and Jackson park on the other side ;D
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Creepy started flying into the airport and seeing that all the graves were mausoleums above ground and realizing it was water under a few inches of dirt.
Flying into there my first trip, my first impression was that it was sunken...it just looks below sea level from the air.
Of course much of Holland is below sea level and they manage it seems.
Holland doesn't get hurricanes! If they had a twelve to twenty foot storm surge, they'd be hurting...
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Like most of the cities I fly into, I every place I would much rather spend my time from the air out side of the city limits. Louisiana looks like a lot of fun if you have a boat and can stay 40 miles out from New Orleans. The same can be said, with some slight modifications and changes, for Tampa, Chicago, Hartford, Las Vegas, Denver, Atlanta, Phoenix, Denver, and expect to feel the same about Charlotte and Charleston by year's end. We'll see. I was hoping for better out of Hartford, but it disappointed me.
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You said Denver twice...Do you like Denver?... ;D ;D
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Concerning the idea of abandoning these cities, I don't think we should abandon them. However, we need to quit condoning, rewarding and subsidizing poor choices from the past.
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You said Denver twice...Do you like Denver?... ;D ;D
Two issues: I'm aging rapidly, and a couple of people I know that live in that area spent too much time smoking their salads ... or should we say they enjoyed the 60's a little too much. I do enjoy the brewery in Golden, always love visiting places that make things, and there are a few places I'd like to visit, but every time we go those with me get elevation sickness.
My point is that I BASICALLY HATE CITIES!
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Like most of the cities I fly into, I every place I would much rather spend my time from the air out side of the city limits. Louisiana looks like a lot of fun if you have a boat and can stay 40 miles out from New Orleans. The same can be said, with some slight modifications and changes, for Tampa, Chicago, Hartford, Las Vegas, Denver, Atlanta, Phoenix, Denver, and expect to feel the same about Charlotte and Charleston by year's end. We'll see. I was hoping for better out of Hartford, but it disappointed me.
Charlotte and Charleston aren't too bad! The rest? Meh!
Never visited LV or Pehonicks though...Denver was OK in the rear view mirror headed toward Golden.
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I mean absolutely no offense to all the folks who live down there, but New Orleans has to be the most idiotic place for a major city. Instead of constantly pumping billions of dollars into keeping it dry, that money should be spent to do a one-time buyout of all property, and to relocate everyone. Then let it sink and become a National Monument to man's stupidity. Damn the historical value of the city, it's just not worth it.
Almost 30 years ago, John McPhee wrote The Control Of Nature, which is three essays on man's attempt to stem the tide of natural occurring events. One of the essays was on our government's herculean effort at tremendous cost to control the flow of the mighty Mississippi. At best it's a never ending battle, but IMO, the river will eventually win. While it has a bit of a tree-hugging slant, the essay does of very good, and even prophetic, job of outlining the challenges with the levee system and dangers New Orleans faces. The full essay is here and is a good read, especially if you live in the area.
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1987/02/23/1987_02_23_039_TNY_CARDS_000347146
One small thing that many who are not in the know... The Port of New Orleans.
How about the significance of the Battle of New Orleans?