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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: sledgemeister on August 30, 2012, 10:09:54 AM
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I found this in my old mans workshop last year while cleaning it out.
He has no idea how it got there, nor does he remember anyone that would have had access to such an item.
It is approx 1 3/4" accross and 2 1/8th" high.
I have pictured it next to a lighter to give you a idea of scale.
Do I know what it is, yes I do (there is markings on the bottom but that would give it away)
I will give you a hint their is a date scratched into the bottom - 11-6-1951
Goodluck!
PS if no one has worked it out in a few days I will post another pic showing the bottom of the case a lot clearer!
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I will give you a hint their is a date scratched into the bottom - 11-6-1951
I don't have a clue about the shell, but do have a quick question for clarificiation.
Is the date month/day/year USA style or day/month/year everybody else style?
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I don't have a clue about the shell, but do have a quick question for clarificiation.
Is the date month/day/year USA style or day/month/year everybody else style?
Unsure, thats the way its etched on the bottom. (year probably being the most important aspect)
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40MM
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40MM
Sorry Tom - no :-X
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Well, 1951 points to the Korean War period....
1.75 in converts to 44.44999 mm...so 45 mm maybe
2.125 in converts to 53.9749 mm ... so 54 mm maybe
Google-fu is not hot for this one...
My first impression when I saw the case was that is was some type of signal gun or flare gun cartridge. It just does not look up to handling a high pressure charge.
There appears to be a not fully expanded crimp around the mouth of the case which might indicate it contained a projectile less than the full inside diameter of the case...or maybe a non-solid projectile.
There also appears to be a very slight rim at the base of the case.
Case walls look pretty thin also.
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Flare guns were generally around 37MM.
What diameter were the Coast Guard line throwing guns ?
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Is it an aircraft engine starter cartridge?
Rob
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Is it an aircraft engine starter cartridge?
Rob
Ahhh..sounds like a great guess to me!
A great movie too.
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Grizzle made me say you betcha, so I did a search on them based on what I knew from the past and antique engines at our local threshing bee. Everything I find says the engine starting cartridges are 12 ga. This doesn't mean there wasn't a variation knowing how the military works, but that is what I know so far.
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I've seen references to 16g and I found this on eBay. A bit longer than this one, but similar
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RAF-Canberra-Hunter-jet-engine-starter-cartridge-brass-case-trench-art-No-10-Mk3-/200811414516?pt=UK_CPV_Aviation_SM&hash=item2ec14b03f4
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Too big for small arms, not big enough for artillery, a mine maybe? That would be one hell of a toe popper! :o
My second guess would be some sort of grenade launcher...
OR it could be the base of a 45mm Anti tank gun cut off for an ashtray ;)
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I've seen references to 16g and I found this on eBay. A bit longer than this one, but similar
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RAF-Canberra-Hunter-jet-engine-starter-cartridge-brass-case-trench-art-No-10-Mk3-/200811414516?pt=UK_CPV_Aviation_SM&hash=item2ec14b03f4
I'm betting Solus is correct.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_B-57_Canberra
The Martin B-57 Canberra was a United States-built, twin jet engine tactical bomber and reconnaissance aircraft, which entered service with the United States Air Force (USAF) in 1953. The B-57 was initially a version of the English Electric Canberra built under licence. However, the Glenn L. Martin Company significantly modified the design and produced several unique variants.
The retirement in 1983 of the B-57 ended the era of the tactical bomber that had its beginning with the World War I De Havilland DH-4
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I'm betting Solus is correct.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_B-57_Canberra
The Martin B-57 Canberra was a United States-built, twin jet engine tactical bomber and reconnaissance aircraft, which entered service with the United States Air Force (USAF) in 1953. The B-57 was initially a version of the English Electric Canberra built under licence. However, the Glenn L. Martin Company significantly modified the design and produced several unique variants.
The retirement in 1983 of the B-57 ended the era of the tactical bomber that had its beginning with the World War I De Havilland DH-4
I'm Solus and I approve of this message.....
Even though Grizzle came up with it and put me on the hunt :D :D
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Sorry to say you are all wrong.
But grizzle bear is the warmest ;D
its not used to start an engine either btw!
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Is it part of a shell from a 37mm AA gun, either the Soviet 61-K or the German 3.7cm FlaK 18/36/37/43? Or any other 37mm?
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It's not shaped right to be a Rail Road signal.
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Is it part of a shell from a 37mm AA gun, either the Soviet 61-K or the German 3.7cm FlaK 18/36/37/43? Or any other 37mm?
Good guess but no.
and tom no its not.
as I said Grizzle is the closest, however its got nothing to do with starting engines or jets.
Cmon fellas, dont tell me this little ol aussie redneck has ya stumped ;D
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It's one of those crocodile suppositories by crikey!
;D
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Canberra engine starter (jet engine)
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OK Griz is closest but it is not an engine starter or has anything to do with aircraft...I'm thinking ignition cap/cartridge for a mortar round or illuminator(WL/IR) munition.
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Canberra engine starter (jet engine)
No but good guess
It's one of those crocodile suppositories by crikey!
;D
way too small! :P
Obama would be the perfect size and for once he would be useful, he may as well give a croc the shits as well as everyone else!
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OK Griz is closest but it is not an engine starter or has anything to do with aircraft...I'm thinking ignition cap/cartridge for a mortar round or illuminator(WL/IR) munition.
Incorrect.
I didnt say it had nothing to do with aircraft! ;)
I said nothing to do with starting engines or jets (jet engines)
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Reading comprehension is such an over-rated skill!
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I'm at a loss at this point. Your clue sends me deeper down the path of engine starters. My experience is that there are many engines both piston and turbine, modern cycle both four stroke and two stroke, hit and miss antiques, small single horsepower to massive, small turbines to huge stationary turbine power units.
My only other direction, and your clue concerning Grizzle lead me away from it, was that it was part of an artillery load (projectile, powder packages, igniter).
I will sit back and watch.
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OK, I just can't take it, so one more stab in the .... light of day:
Chaff deployment
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Is it a 40mm shell from the 40mm cannon on the old Hawker Hurricane?
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OK sticking with a theam here...primer for an AA round such as the Bofors???
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And it seems I can spell either!
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Ejection seat charge.
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Doesn't appear to be robust enough for heavy duty explosives...and, without seeing how they are designed, looks to fragile to be trusted as a primer for an artillery shell...a good bump with about anything might set it off.
I'm thinking of something lower power...m58's Chaff Deployment might be the right range for it.
Might be a way to start a heater without having to fumble with matches or what ever ....something like that.
Might be the charge for an emergency flare gun in a survival kit.
And just because the rotten slime ball said he didn't say it had nothing to do with aircraft doesn't mean it does.
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Doesn't appear to be robust enough for heavy duty explosives...and, without seeing how they are designed, looks to fragile to be trusted as a primer for an artillery shell...a good bump with about anything might set it off.
I'm thinking of something lower power...m58's Chaff Deployment might be the right range for it.
Might be a way to start a heater without having to fumble with matches or what ever ....something like that.
Might be the charge for an emergency flare gun in a survival kit.
And just because the rotten slime ball said he didn't say it had nothing to do with aircraft doesn't mean it does.
That would be a "wanker" in this case. ;D
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Seems like a pretty flimsy case but I stuck with the AA primer because my Uncle had a demil'ed German AA round(Flak18 I think) when I was a kid and the spent primer on that thing didn't seem like much more than copper foil. Now we just get to see how long the "wanker" lets us all twist in the breeze.
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That would be a "wanker" in this case. ;D
Dang..and I have my English/Australian Dictionary here, I just forgot to check
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Ejection seat charge.
Bingo Tom, see even you can get it after enough hints :-*
its a No1 Mk 1 Martin Baker Ejection Seat Charge
see the below pic for the wording on the base of it
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Dang..and I have my English/Australian Dictionary here, I just forgot to check
You can just call me a bastard if its easier! lol
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin-Baker
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Okay....I may be wrong, but I think that most U.S. ejection seats used a rocket rather than a propellant charge.
And if it's not U.S.G.I. I probably wouldn't know what it was anyway!
GB
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At some point the ejection also worked with "explosive bolts". Also used in the early NASA programs?
One blast to "unbolt the seat", and one to "launch" the seat..... Ass on fire comes to mind.... ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrotechnic_fastener