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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: santahog on August 31, 2012, 09:29:28 AM
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I'm tired and I'm not done cleaning up but...
I learned that a full moon coupled with new kittens bring unwanted varmints, bot wild and (semi) "domesticated"..
yesterday evening, a coon popped out from beneath the back of the car while I was sitting with "mamma cat" and new kittens. I didn't have a gun but the cat and I managed to prevail upon it's thinking enough for it to leave before I got back with a revolver..
I annoyed myself by not having something on me..
(I built a "play pen" to keep them in, not other things out.. I hadn't noticed that much "traffic" before..)
Went to sleep about 02:00. At 02:30, (it sounded like) the coon came back. The cat put it on the run but I still want to get it killed because the problem won't stop till it's done..
So, I missed it by a few seconds. I saw the flash of the back end of the cat hitting the woods and lots of brush and branches being disturbed. It took her better than a half hour to get back to the porch. I went back to bed/sleep..
At 04:15, trouble again came to the cats on the porch. The wife woke me up this time, very quickly. I came out of the door to (at least) two big yellow dogs, and a kitten on the porch.
I learned a few things..
- Big yellow dogs don't stop 9mm rounds..
- GDHP does expand.
- I shoot too slowly..
- I hesitated after that first round.
(I stopped after the first round for maybe two seconds.. "Too long!!!")
That sucks..
- The cat is capable of being deeply pissed at me when it wasn't exactly my fault.. (The cat got really pissed at me for bringing the kittens out from under the shed.)
- It doesn't hurt your ears if you're in a shooting situation.
- At 04:00, when it's dark, it takes a bunch of 9mm HP rounds to kill a dog..
(I don't know how many yet. I've still got to clean up the porch..)
- A 2 year old Valium doesn't do much for an adrenaline dump, after the fact.. I suspect useful, nonetheless..
- That damn dog is heavy..
- He's got a friend that shouldn't get caught hanging around here.
- Still, nobody in this part of the world thinks it's their responsibility to secure their own animals.
- The cat, for the first time, didn't run after the first round was fired.
- My wife still doesn't volunteer to help me...
A few observations..
I'm gonna need a nap today..
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Was there any Benny Hill music playing while all this was going on?
two words: Scatter Gun!
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Sounds like a good indicator that you need to step up to a .40 S&W, Cops have found this to be a good move as 9mm has a similar reduced impact on perps as it does on big, yellow dogs. You need a bunch of 'em to get the job done when it's a high-stress situation.
But, good job protecting Momma Kat.
Crusader
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Not to ignite a caliber debate BUT it seems like 9mm in this situation lived up to the stereo type of over penetrating and not stopping the threat. 40 would be better and 45 better yet IMHO.
BTW what happened to the revolver? I wonder what 357 would have done to the dog?
Get some rest, there may be another skirmish tonight ;D
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Dare I say, "Shotgun"?
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Time was critical, and the Glock lives on the night stand. The shotgun is only two feet away from that but not as fast to get at..
After the last encounter of the night, I stayed up and started making a place to move them into the house.. Now the kittens live in the laundry alcove and the mom is having to learn that just because she is now finally allowed to come in doesn't mean that she's finally "in".. She stays with the babies or gets out..
I love em but I'm allergic to cats. (A condition that worked to my advantage when I was a teen pot head, but not a situation that I want to repeat today..)
I found out that killing the dog is illegal today.. The owner of the dog can be made to pay for the cats, but since the dog can't read, "NO Trespassing" doesn't apply..
What I want to know is if the dog doesn't want to hang around to be interrogated and give up his owner, and you run out of cats to feed him, what are you supposed to do to collect?... I guess I'm supposed to listen to see of the dog whispers a confession of where he lived with his last breath..
State Law, so I'm now told.. I guess Montgomery is a dog hunters town...
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Do they have a "leash law" ?
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I found out that killing the dog is illegal today
Lay your hands on him, (or the plastic bag), and tell him "Rise up and go home!" in your best Charlton/Moses voice.
If he doesn't - he's dead of his own free will and you gave it your best shot so to speak. 8)
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If discharging your firearm isn't illegal, then the fool dog just interrupted your target practice by darting into the line of fire and causing you the inconvenience of corpse disposal.
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Do they have a "leash law" ?
Last week, I saw a guy in a little Chevy pick up with what I would just about bet was his wife in the back. He was alone in the cab..
Leash laws.. In a city, maybe.. I'm in the County..
Apparently, the law was intended to protect the investment in coon hounds/hunting dogs which can get pretty high when it's all said and done. I still want to know why his dog eating my cat on my porch is a protected species and my cat on my porch isn't..
I'd have a German Shepherd in a heartbeat if I had the money to put up a fence that would keep it in..
I came to the conclusion a long time ago now that the "right" to have a dog comes with the responsibility to keep it under control.
I got a leash law passed in Toccoa, Georgia back in the early 90s by waking up the mayor every time I got woke up by the neighborhood pack coming into my yard and beating up my (secured) dog in my yard..
I guess folks had been trying for quite a while to get one passed. My landlord at the time , who was the wealthiest, meanest old man in town (I liked the guy, personally) called me as soon as the local paper came out, laughing as hard as he could at my performance/result from that town council meeting that finally got it passed.. I was alone on my side of the issue, too.. One of the guys up there saying "My dogs are good dogs" had two black labs that I saw every night in my back yard right around midnight, in a pack of about 14..
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Let me get this straight. If its on your property threatening your livestock you can't shoot it? I don't think I've heard of any rural area in the US where that is the case. That's insane. I'd advise going into town and buying three pieces of vital equipment. A box of Remington Golden Sabres 147 gr +P, a shovel and a pick axe. Dog? What dog? Surely he must be at home in your fenced yard right? ;D
FQ13
You might also want to review that post on oil filter silencers, just for pure scientific curiosity of course. ;)
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SSS
Shoot, Shovel, Shut up.
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Let me get this straight. If its on your property threatening your livestock you can't shoot it? I don't think I've heard of any rural area in the US where that is the case. That's insane. I'd advise going into town and buying three pieces of vital equipment. A box of Remington Golden Sabres 147 gr +P, a shovel and a pick axe. Dog? What dog? Surely he must be at home in your fenced yard right? ;D
FQ13
You might also want to review that post on oil filter silencers, just for pure scientific curiosity of course. ;)
Lime. Don't forget the lime. Makes a great soil enhancement.
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SSS
Shoot, Shovel, Shut up.
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After FQ's post that was my first thought. Works for ranchers in Montana ;)
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Two of my neighbors use to turn loose their dogs all the time. They started chasing my other neighbor’s cattle. In the state of Ohio when they chase livestock or are on your property and show aggression they are subject to being dispatched (ORC 955.28). Getting back to the two idiots that told me that I was not allowed to dispatch their dogs that were chasing cattle. Well the dog warden put them straight and fined them. Shotguns and SKS’s do a number on dogs. I just have one left that keeps getting into my chickens but that will be fixed here soon.
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Two of my neighbors use to turn loose their dogs all the time. They started chasing my other neighbor’s cattle. In the state of Ohio when they chase livestock or are on your property and show aggression they are subject to being dispatched (ORC 955.28). Getting back to the two idiots that told me that I was not allowed to dispatch their dogs that were chasing cattle. Well the dog warden put them straight and fined them. Shotguns and SKS’s do a number on dogs. I just have one left that keeps getting into my chickens but that will be fixed here soon.
Replace the chickens with Emu's.
No digging and that dog will NEVER be the same again ! ;D
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Bigger eggs too!