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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Magoo541 on September 03, 2012, 08:21:32 PM
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This week will be the 4th or 5th trip down there this year, although I'll be flying into San Jose this time and not John Wayne (Orange County). I guess I feel naked without access to my guns and given the state of the economy in CA with the looming threat of "The Big One" the anxiety factor is growing. I think MB is onto something with his take down lever/pistol package, if I do this much more I'll be looking into putting one together myself.
For those of you that travel there more regularly how do you do it?
And for those of you that live there, I weep with you for it is so far from what it was 40 years ago.
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Don't worry Magoo!
Kalifornia is a wonderful place where flowers grow out of your ass and no one ever has a harsh word for anyone! The overwhelming feeling of serenity will abound and you'll feel as if no harm could come from anything, anywhere! Breath in the cool air of utopia! You'll never want to leave!
(sarcasm)....lived there before it became unmanageable! Never again...
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When my grandparents pass away, I will be taking my wife and son out of here. They are the only reason I am still here. My wife can work litterly anywhere in the country. My skill set and biz since can too go just about anywhere and make money.
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Stay out of ghettos and bars and you should be alright. I lived in Alameda county for 2 years, 1 mile from Hayward and about 2 miles from Oakland, and while there were shootings and robberies all around the area I never had a bit of trouble.
And that included walking around the residential areas every night.
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I grew up in that area. Like Tom says, being smart about where/when you're out is "the best defense." Silicone Valley (San Jose, Fremont, ect) isn't all bad. It's South Bay (Oakland specifically) that's got more of the problems.
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I worked in Oakland and my advice is if you can avoid it, do so.
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I worked in Oakland and my advice is if you can avoid it, do so.
I'll second Tom's point.
Bunny and I lived in Santa Rosa for several years and I worked in "The City." It was not an entirely bad experience. The worst restaurants in San Francisco are better than the best of other places.
Still, the City of Oakland is a cesspool. If someone would nuke the place, many of Kalifornistan's economic woes would be resolved since it would eliminate a huge welfare drain. Drugs, gangs and crime abound. Even if you are well armed, it just isn't a safe place to be.
The rest of Kalifornistan is just sad. The Dummycraps have taken a remarkable state (with mountains, beaches, deserts, and great year-around climate) and turned it into an expensive nanny state where the 45% who work must support the 55% who won't, and where regulations make it increasingly difficult for businesses to remain profitable.
I still visit from time to time--my daughter and grand kids live there--but I suffer anxiety when I do. The way things are set up there makes the victim into the criminal, and exonerates the actual criminal. Heaven forbid you should use one of those evil guns to protect yourself, your family, or your property. You'd never see daylight.
When I go, I drive out and I keep a cache of weapons locked up in precise conformance to Kalifornistan law. I wouldn't expect to get to them to protect myself or Bunny in an emergency, but if TEOTWAWKI occurs, I'll have some form of defense at hand.
Good luck.
Crusader
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I still visit from time to time--my daughter and grand kids live there--but I suffer anxiety when I do. The way things are set up there makes the victim into the criminal, and exonerates the actual criminal. Heaven forbid you should use one of those evil guns to protect yourself, your family, or your property. You'd never see daylight.
Sounds like they need to change the state flag to the Union Jack. :-\
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Magoo, if SHTF while your in Kalifornia,....FIND A KOREAN GROCERY STORE!!!!!! ::) And tell them you can shoot and if they can spare another firearm.... ::)
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Actually ca has very good sd laws and has for a very long time. Unlike some of the more famous states you hear about latly. it just can be hard to get a ccw ( or very easy depending on the county, mine was about $100 and took 4 days to process the paper work) we have no need to retreat and can use deadly force to prevent grave bodly harm ( rape for example) apon our selfs or some one else. The way the law works is you need to have a reasonable fear of death/ bodly harm. Thats in your head, not some one elses.
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Magoo, if SHTF while your in Kalifornia,....FIND A KOREAN GROCERY STORE!!!!!! ::) And tell them you can shoot and if they can spare another firearm.... ::)
LOL! That made my night, thanks!
EDIT: BTW I'm in Santa Clara so I should be okay, just wish I KNEW I'd be okay or have my fate in my own hands. 12 hours today and most likely the rest of the week, the part I'm really dreading, my GM is here on Friday, is followed shortly by my exit.
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You guys are such weenies... can't leave home without your gun.
My SIL and I stood between the girls and 4 cracked-up french fries down in the PorkChop in San Francisco. We were backed into a storefront with nothing but hand weapons(still hidden) staring these humps down without a word. They turned and walked away.
Granted, where I live in NJ is about as close to living in Dineyland as you could get, but we still get BGs here and there. Real men are ready to fight with no gun, a short-blade knife, a huge set of keys, steel toed workboots, or a squirrel if you have nothing else.
Oh yeah...I almost used Lucy, my favorite strat, to "El Kabong" a guy once, but a fan jumped and thumped him.
Just sort of kidding. You have to be ready, but I would really like to be able to carry here, but I used to not having that. If you are accustomed to that level of preparedness it must be maddening to live without.
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one word...
Shillelagh...
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You guys are such weenies... can't leave home without your gun.
My SIL and I stood between the girls and 4 cracked-up french fries down in the PorkChop in San Francisco. We were backed into a storefront with nothing but hand weapons(still hidden) staring these humps down without a word. They turned and walked away.
Granted, where I live in NJ is about as close to living in Dineyland as you could get, but we still get BGs here and there. Real men are ready to fight with no gun, a short-blade knife, a huge set of keys, steel toed workboots, or a squirrel if you have nothing else.
Oh yeah...I almost used Lucy, my favorite strat, to "El Kabong" a guy once, but a fan jumped and thumped him.
Just sort of kidding. You have to be ready, but I would really like to be able to carry here, but I used to not having that. If you are accustomed to that level of preparedness it must be maddening to live without.
They realized you were tourists, Since the mass shooting in China Town back in the 90's the one thing SF absolutely will not tolerate is any one bothering the tourists. When I was out there in 2 years ONE tourist got robbed, with in a week a couple of local gang bangers were found dead . SF realized that scaring the tourists not only hurts the "honest" industries, it also cuts into profits from prostitution, illegal gambling, and drug dealing.
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From the looks of them, I'm not so sure tourism was at the top of their priorities. I'd prefer to think that they started doing crack math looking at two pretty large guys with unknown weapons who were obviously sober, obviously not oblivious to their little crack-addled maneuvers, and obviously had something to fight over with a two-woman backup of unknown size and capability. Since we didn't just throw the moneyclip in the air and run, maybe they WERE thinking about the tourism goon squads. Either way, private enterprise continued and we marched on through their encampment like Chuck Norris through a dojo with nary another glance.
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I think Jay hit it on the head. I'm a green belt in Tae Kwon Do and loved to spar, work on empty hands self defense or the fighting aspect of the martial arts until I started carrying on a regular basis. >:( I usually carry a flash light that would work well as an impact weapon if need be but it is a far cry from a 45 "flying ashcan" traveling at 900 fps. I have stayed in condition yellow for the most part down here but I laps every now and then into white but usually in a controlled environment (albeit foreign to me).
I know I need to get back into the gym and back to empty hands self defense training but I'm in a rut... Excuses are like * everyone has one and they all stink.