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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: garand4life on September 15, 2012, 10:43:17 AM
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As part of a trade deal I got 100 rounds of 180gr 40s&w Wichester Ranger T. RA40t
From what I'm seeing it seems that this is classified as subsonic. Is that correct? Has anyone had any working experience with this loading? I've worked with Winchester very rarely outside of the PDX1 line.
As a carry round for a G23 any thoughts? Before I go shell out a bunch of money on Gold Dot or Critical defense. I'd hate no to take advantage of 100 rounds of quality ammo.
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Well to REALLY take advantage of it you need a supressor, or an oil filter.... ;D.
FQ13
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Would it not have an advantage in a inhome encounter by having a reduced sound signature. Not a huge priority in a life threatening situation but an advantage to keeping your hearing after the fact.
Other than that it appears to put up numbers similar to good +p 9mm. So should I scrap it as a carry round? I know it's a subjective question but thoughts are more than welcome.
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Look I know nothing about the ammo in question, and little about subsonic ammo in general. Luckily for you I'm a member of this board, which as we all know, is even better than staying at a Holiday Inn Express. ;D
The two things I can say for certain is that subsonic ammo will deliver less foot pounds down range than the equivilent standard ammo simply because the bullet is moving slower.
The flip side is that this might not matter at across the living room distance, and you will have less of a worry about going through the neighbor's wall.
I'd shoot some, see if it cycles, and if it does I'd use it for the bedside gun.
FQ13
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Would it not have an advantage in a inhome encounter by having a reduced sound signature. Not a huge priority in a life threatening situation but an advantage to keeping your hearing after the fact.
From the accounts I've heard the report is negligible
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=20468.0 (http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=20468.0)
Other than that it appears to put up numbers similar to good +p 9mm. So should I scrap it as a carry round? I know it's a subjective question but thoughts are more than welcome.
When I carried a 40 I leaned towards the heavier rounds because I was a fan of the bigger and heavier is better club. Now I just carry a 45 ;D I think you'd be fine carrying it. At 990 fps your getting 392 ft/lbs of energy and when you look a bullet performance and energy transfer on top of that I think you'd be well served.
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Look I know nothing about the ammo in question, and little about subsonic ammo in general. Luckily for you I'm a member of this board, which as we all know, is even better than staying at a Holiday Inn Express. ;D
The two things I can say for certain is that subsonic ammo will deliver less foot pounds down range than the equivilent standard ammo simply because the bullet is moving slower.
The flip side is that this might not matter at across the living room distance, and you will have less of a worry about going through the neighbor's wall.
I'd shoot some, see if it cycles, and if it does I'd use it for the bedside gun.
FQ13
FQ, this is why I come to you for advise. You are my dark side mentor!
Thanks.
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The sound signature of Sub sonic ammo is no lower than standard, but since it is traveling slower there is no mini sonic boom.
They may be more accurate than standard because approaching the sound barrier generates a pressure wave that destabilizes bullets . On a larger scale it has been known to tear an aircraft apart.
Same weight bullet at standard velocity will penetrate further than slower bullet at the same range so it would be better for indoor use.
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The Ranger T ammo I saw didn't come in "standard" and "subsonic". It's just one load that happens to be subsonic like most .45 acp is. It looks just like a black talon except it's not black, so it should perform well and have fairly deep penetration.
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The Ranger T ammo I saw didn't come in "standard" and "subsonic". It's just one load that happens to be subsonic like most .45 acp is. It looks just like a black talon except it's not black, so it should perform well and have fairly deep penetration.
And that right there is a good thing. If it gets into the BG and stays there, that's what you want. I doubt you'll get,any "customer complaints" if you actually have to use the stuff. Just make sure your pistol cycles it. I'd recommend one mag on rapid fire (my range doesn't allow this, but they'll look the other way if you explain you're testing new ammo). If there are no jams, carry it.
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