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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: fightingquaker13 on September 22, 2012, 08:13:36 PM
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There is this amazing guy running for President as the GOP candidate. Please send donations. Its imperative we elect him. "What?.......Oh, wait". :P
FQ13 who apologizes for the omputer bobbles that kept me from posting this the first time.
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He wasn't born here, and he wasn't born to American parents there.
I have to ask something here.
While most of us agree with some of what this guy says, who really gives a crap what some welfare state limey has to say ?
If he has all the answers then how come England is on the verge of Sharia law ?
Any one who ends his rant with "Peace", may talk the talk but he hasn't got the guts to walk the walk.
It really doesn't surprise me that FQ would think the sun rises and sets in the ass of a poser.
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f..k YOU!
PEACE
FQ13
Point made? ;D
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No thinking person falls into the trap of yearning for "peace".
Life is struggle, struggle leads to progress.
"Peace" is stagnation, stagnation leads to death.
In the 400 years between 1400 and 1800 Italy had continual wars, and rebellions, it lead the Renaissance and produced about half of the worlds great artists,and sculptors, it produced Da Vinci, the original "Most interesting man in the world" ( the original "Renaissance man" ) and what would become the oldest gun company, and the oldest family owned business in history.
During that same period Switzerland had peace, they produced chocolate and the cuckoo clock.
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No thinking person falls into the trap of yearning for "peace".
Life is struggle, struggle leads to progress.
"Peace" is stagnation, stagnation leads to death.
In the 400 years between 1400 and 1800 Italy had continual wars, and rebellions, it lead the Renaissance and produced about half of the worlds great artists,and sculptors, it produced Da Vinci, the original "Most interesting man in the world" ( the original "Renaissance man" ) and what would become the oldest gun company, and the oldest family owned business in history.
During that same period Switzerland had peace, they produced chocolate and the cuckoo clock.
Where would you put your money? Switzerland, or Italy? Just sayin'.
FQ13
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Tom and FQ's pissing match aside, I like listening to this guy. It's not all "spot-on" as the Brits would say, but he is calling a spade a spade, and God bless him for taking his life in his hands to do so.
At the root of the discussion is the fact that our current President (and I use the term loosely) placates and is, in fact, encouraging muslim fanaticism. Reagan would have given them some F-111 therapy by now. it's a one way street and this guy is right, we just don't give a s**t. Keep it up, knuckleheads.
Just as an aside...have you noticed that every time Obama speaks from the white house...where is the american flag? Every president speaks in front of our flag. Not Barry...it's a tapestry with arabic symbols. Check it out.
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Where would you put your money? Switzerland, or Italy? Just sayin'.
FQ13
That's kinda what I was thinking..
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That's kinda what I was thinking..
Add this to that thought. Lets assume global TEOTAWKI, and you're on a European vacation. Where would you rather be, Zurich, or Rome? ;D
FQ13
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Where would you put your money? Switzerland, or Italy? Just sayin'.
FQ13
The Caymans, better secrecy laws and I can get there from here.
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For a second here let me delve into a world of make believe...
Lets believe for a second that Russia and China pay attention to the news in America, lets say they have a feed that lets them view all of the protest from the tea party and town hall meetings. Lets also believe for a second that things are a little more dire here. Obama is elected again but it is proven the election was rigged with millions of votes from the dead and or missing. Russia and China both see a country they rely heavily on for economic reasons starting to fall. Our global credit rating dips below a level where anyone will loan us money, unemployment reaches 40% and our government spends billions raising a force to protect them and their interests.
Following me? Total chaos and America, the largest importer in the world is ceasing to do so.
The WARSAW is brought back and the likes of China and Russia decide to step in for Americans and abolish our oppressive government and turn the free world back over to the people to become the super power it once was...
Some years pass and a huge war rages on. America is split in half, many killed and once great cities are only shells of their former glory. Russia had allowed an election to happen but didn't like the result and took down the new president. Their presence in America is strong, with military bases all over the US, Puerto Rico and Alaska. China feels that the religious right kept people from expressing themselves and made it hard on all of Christians to practice their religion...
How would you welcome Warsaw? I have heard a lot of people over the years talk about how the elections are rigged and our system is broke? How would you perceive Russia and China lending the American people aid?
People who think the middle east is stirred up over religion must have some seriously narrow views of the world. Christianity is by far one of the newest religions, and just like this perceived threat of islam, it too has barbaric sides that have tried to take over entire regions of the planet. So while religion has its roll in all of this turmoil I don't think its directing the scenes.
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You and I often disagree, but your posts are thought provoking.
I'll post my own thoughts in the quoted post because there's a lot there and I don't want to lose my train of thought
For a second here let me delve into a world of make believe...
Lets believe for a second that Russia and China pay attention to the news in America, lets say they have a feed that lets them view all of the protest from the tea party and town hall meetings. Lets also believe for a second that things are a little more dire here. Obama is elected again but it is proven the election was rigged with millions of votes from the dead and or missing. Russia and China both see a country they rely heavily on for economic reasons starting to fall. Our global credit rating dips below a level where anyone will loan us money, unemployment reaches 40% and our government spends billions raising a force to protect them and their interests.
Following me? Total chaos and America, the largest importer in the world is ceasing to do so.
We aren't that far from it now, all you have done is scale up our current problems, High long term unemployment, the criminal trials for people accused of vote fraud in 08 are not finished yet, and the dems are fighting voter ID laws tooth and nail to set the stage for massive fraud in Nov, our credit rating has already been down graded once and Berneke printing more money to prop up Obama is going to make it worse. What Berneke is doing by printing money, and keeping interest rates down is to cause short term optimism on Wall street 6to make Obama look good for the Election, the long term result however will be massive inflation (if it's only double digit we will be lucky )after the election. It would actually be better if BO won that way the Republicans would not get "Hoovered" like Bush did when the results of Dem policies crash into reality.
Current Dem fiscal policy is setting America up to duplicate Zimbabwe.
The WARSAW is brought back and the likes of China and Russia decide to step in for Americans and abolish our oppressive government and turn the free world back over to the people to become the super power it once was...
China has already told BO back in '09 that he had to adopt more capitalist principles to avoid a major financial disaster.
Would they intervene for American Freedom ?
Neither has the sea lift capability to deploy the size ground forces that would be required, although the Soviets did well with airlift in the past.
What ever they did would need to be done fast, like over night, or it would lead to exactly the type of collapse they would be attempting to prevent, if the people are fighting to hold their block, and to survive they are not buying little plastic sh!t from China, especially not after Wal Mart has been shelled into rubble.
A more likely approach would be convincing the US military leadership to stage a coup.
Despite the popular conception of such action it is probably the only practical method to reverse the 100 years of Dem subversion that has brought us to this point
Some years pass and a huge war rages on. America is split in half, many killed and once great cities are only shells of their former glory. Russia had allowed an election to happen but didn't like the result and took down the new president. Their presence in America is strong, with military bases all over the US, Puerto Rico and Alaska. China feels that the religious right kept people from expressing themselves and made it hard on all of Christians to practice their religion...
This would be exactly what they would be trying to prevent from happening, as I posted above, no one is buying "made in China" if Wally world is a smoking heap of bricks. (although the Russians might be selling even more AK's and ammo )
The above paragraph contains a couple of impracticalities, first off, neither country's economy is healthy enough to support an occupation force, secondly neither neither country's active military is large enough to occupy that large an area in any effective way while still fulfilling their current needs .
Another mistake is that the newly devout Russians would not interfere with Christianity, they would definitely stomp on the Muslim population, since both country's have their own problems with them, but since Christianity is the Russian faith, and the Chinese would not see it as an aggressive force it would be left alone.
The objective of such an action would be to restore trade, that means getting people back to work so they can buy stuff, not enabling "free expression".
How would you welcome Warsaw? I have heard a lot of people over the years talk about how the elections are rigged and our system is broke? How would you perceive Russia and China lending the American people aid?
For the reasons previously listed, among others, you would not see Warsaw Pact forces or Chinese troops here, just like you will never see "UN" forces .
Chinese and Russian meddling that lead to a coup by the US military would most likely be a God send, since it would eliminate the democrats strangle hold on US society through education, media, unions, and courts and would restore the rule of law and common sense fiscal policy, (If you can't afford it don't buy it, if you don't have money quit spending)
In fact, rather than attacking Christianity, such action would be most likely to strengthen it by removing the socialist anti religious elements from positions of influence.
After all the billions America has poured into China and Russia it would be simply a matter of them honoring a debt.
People who think the middle east is stirred up over religion must have some seriously narrow views of the world. Christianity is by far one of the newest religions, and just like this perceived threat of islam, it too has barbaric sides that have tried to take over entire regions of the planet. So while religion has its roll in all of this turmoil I don't think its directing the scenes.
Christianity has not engaged in those types of practices for centuries, and is several hundred years older than Islam.
Arguments to the contrary are revisionist deconstructionism at it's worst.
The current upheaval is nothing but business as usual for the ignorant Muslims, this is the continuation of a power struggle that began with the death of Mohammad.
That's my reply off the top of my head.
Further discussion may modify some of the details, but I think I've got the basic gist pretty straight.
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Tom I have a huge amount of respect for you, obviously your life experiences both in and out of the Marine Corp have forged you into a well cultured, intelligent man. You are spot on with most of you points. I was not insinuating that this could happen, I was offering up the view point from the muzzle end.
The middle east has been invaded by super powers that do have the capability to launch massive ground assaults, they have had their villages burned to ruble and they have had leaders elected only to be toppled by the guy with the most guns. It must be absolutely terrifying for the majority of their population to know that at any minute the US or NATO forces could come storming in, arrest whomever they want and "rebuild" in a fashion that best suits "their" needs.
The satire I posted was just an example of what they have gone through. The question is how would the citizenry here would accept such acts? My guess would be, not very well. I have a feeling that the people not the government, would lead a defensive strike similar to what happened in the revolutionary war.
The situation in the middle east is indeed dire, they have a fringe fanatical group that get the press but on the whole it is the people demanding stability. The choice to run their country as they see fit without military intervention from anyone. Religion plays such a small role it seems ridiculous to even mention it, but that is what the American press does best. Sensationalize, lie and stir up feelings of animosity towards anything you don't fully understand.
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The current situation in the Muslim world is pretty much "business as usual".
From the time of Sargon the Akkad there has been a continual history of upheaval, war and brutal dictatorship.
Saddam Hussein knew how to maintain peace among those type of people.
The democrats idea of playing nice can only make things worse.
Islam is simply the latest excuse these barbarians are using to justify their psychotic homicidal tendencies.
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You never really answered the question. How would do you think the American people would accept the same situation? How would you accept it?
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Well, considering that our troops can't shoot a guy just for walking around with an AK, or RPG unless he actually aims at them, and they get in more trouble for allegedly burning a koran than a local does for murdering one or more of our troops it might be a big improvement.
Even if it was a brutal occupation with Nazi style hostage taking the value of the wake up call on the sheeple would more than offset any damages.
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This guys analysis of the muslims is spot on. I'm sure he would be in harmony with everyone on this board with Europe, along with their failing socialism in general. I've heard other videos he's put out that say as much. He speaks his mind, and in today's insanely crazy, politically correct world that says something.
There is no doubt in my mind that until we realize just about everything this guy is saying, the world is going to be attacked by these ass hats. You don't hear this guy carrying on about "good muslims". Respect has to be earned, and you don't earn it by killing people and destroying everything in the process. We now have proof with Hussein over the last 4 years how a, "kinder & gentler" approach with these animals works out. The muslims have never cared about "collateral damage" because they want as much of it as possible. As long as Christians die it's recognised as a "good kill". It doesn't matter if they're 6 or 60. We need to adopt the same rules of engagement with them. They feel the bigger the body count the better. Again, we should feel the same. It's the only way you will beat these people. We've been trying to "understand them" for over a century and look where it's gotten us.
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This guys analysis of the muslims is spot on. I'm sure he would be in harmony with everyone on this board with Europe, along with their failing socialism in general. I've heard other videos he's put out that say as much. He speaks his mind, and in today's insanely crazy, politically correct world that says something.
There is no doubt in my mind that until we realize just about everything this guy is saying, the world is going to be attacked by these ass hats. You don't hear this guy carrying on about "good muslims". Respect has to be earned, and you don't earn it by killing people and destroying everything in the process. We now have proof with Hussein over the last 4 years how a, "kinder & gentler" approach with these animals works out. The muslims have never cared about "collateral damage" because they want as much of it as possible. As long a Christians die it's recognised as a "good kill". It doesn't matter if they're 6 or 60. We need to adopt the same rules of engagement with them. They feel the bigger the body count the better. Again, we should feel the same. It's the only way you will beat these people. We've been trying to "understand them" for over a century and look where it's gotten us.
The part that stinks the worst is that many of us have been saying these things for decades, but dems will not allow any administration to take effective action against people who need to be kicked in the teeth before they are "negotiated" with .
As an example, look at how dems consistently appeased the Soviets, and went nuts when Reagan actually stood up to them.
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The part that stinks the worst is that many of us have been saying these things for decades, but dems will not allow any administration to take effective action against people who need to be kicked in the teeth before they are "negotiated" with .
As an example, look at how dems consistently appeased the Soviets, and went nuts when Reagan actually stood up to them.
You've given what is without question, the best reason this will be the most important election in our lifetime. If Hussein is reelected these animals know point blank they will have free reign anywhere in the world to do as they please, with zero retaliation from this country. While our drone attacks have been good, this whole "appeasement" approach will get a lot more Americans killed, and allow these animals to advance their cause world wide with minimal resistance.
Until this "religion" becomes self policing, which it NEVER WILL, we have to reject it totally as a whole. In crime you are considered an accomplice if you are there, attached to the killer with you're presence, and do nothing. You are considered just as much to blame. It is no different with these animals. Every one of them that hides under their beds, encapsulated in the security of this nation, while their fellow animals kill and murder worldwide, are just as guilty as the radicals they ignore. You don't belong to something that is evil unless you accept that evil. All 1.3 billion muslims do by way of their actions, or rather their lack of it.
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You've given what is without question, the best reason this will be the most important election in our lifetime. If Hussein is reelected these animals know point blank they will have free reign anywhere in the world to do as they please, with zero retaliation from this country. While our drone attacks have been good, this whole "appeasement" approach will get a lot more Americans killed, and allow these animals to advance their cause world wide with minimal resistance.
Until this "religion" becomes self policing, which it NEVER WILL, we have to reject it totally as a whole. In crime you are considered an accomplice if you are there, attached to the killer with you're presence, and do nothing. You are considered just as much to blame. It is no different with these animals. Every one of them that hides under their beds, encapsulated in the security of this nation, while their fellow animals kill and murder worldwide, are just as guilty as the radicals they ignore. You don't belong to something that is evil unless you accept that evil. All 1.3 billion muslims do by way of their actions, or rather their lack of it.
I agree that Islam must police itself and was pretty skeptical about it ever happening....until Tom B's post about the Muslim citizenry in Libya storming a militant Islam stronghold. Perhaps they are getting fed up to the point of action. Won't be holding my breath for it though.
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I agree that Islam must police itself and was pretty skeptical about it ever happening....until Tom B's post about the Muslim citizenry in Libya storming a militant Islam stronghold. Perhaps they are getting fed up to the point of action. Won't be holding my breath for it though.
You have to realize there are 1.3 BILLION muslims worldwide. If they honestly wanted to, they could crush these radicals like a grape. They can't, won't, and don't. Anymore than they did pick up arms and help us fight in Iraq. They always look the other way, hoping someone else will take up arms against the radicals so they won't have to, while they hide under their beds and remain silent. I'm tired of hearing about these minuscule uprisings than don't amount to much more than a pimple on an elephant's ass, in regards to the effectiveness it has against the radicals as a whole.
The radicals are well armed and organized. These uprisings in over 20 muslim countries were no coincidence. It's high time the other 99% of these ass wipes get better armed, and better organized and stop them in their tracks, while saying to the rest of the world they are not going to stand for having their "religion" hijacked by a bunch of nut cases. Like you, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it to happen, because it never will.