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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: GeorgeCook on October 25, 2012, 09:47:29 PM
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Remember our tax dollars went to the parent company, Chrysler, to bail them out. I haven't bought a vehicle in over 10 years so I didn't know some Jeeps were being manufactured in China up to 2009 when production was stopped.
And the auto unions still support the Democrats....They freakin' get what they deserve.....
http://washingtonexaminer.com/jeep-an-obama-favorite-looks-to-shift-production-to-china/article/2511703#.UIn3uH-WXFK (http://washingtonexaminer.com/jeep-an-obama-favorite-looks-to-shift-production-to-china/article/2511703#.UIn3uH-WXFK)
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My oldest boy is an engineer at the Toledo plant. His dumb ass is voting for Obummer, cause' "he saved my job". Even with his college education, he cannot understand that the taxpayer is paying the bill, not Obummer.
Of course the boy ain't real smart. He likes spending other people's money, he's filed bankruptcy, twice. Love him dearly, but he's a dumb schitt!
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The wisdom of Ron White..
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All right Ethel - don't let your panties get all wadded up - if your much of a JEEP fan, which I'll make the guess most that replied are not.
You would know that JEEP has been in China and manufacturing there since Jan 15 1984 E I G H T Y F O U R
They manufacture a Cherokee that some people over here do group buys for like we do on custom gun items.
American Motors set up the first automobile-manufacturing joint venture in the People's Republic of China on January 15, 1984.
The result was Beijing Jeep Corporation, Ltd., in partnership with Beijing Automobile Industry Corporation, to produce the Jeep Cherokee (XJ) in Beijing.
Manufacture continued after Chrysler's buyout of AMC. This joint venture is now part of DaimlerChrysler and DaimlerChrysler China Invest Corporation. The original 1984 XJ model was updated and called the "Jeep 2500" toward the end of its production that ended after 2005.
Beijing Jeep Corporation – Beijing-Benz DaimlerChrysler Automotive. Fiat-Chrysler plans to re-open Jeep production in China through joint venture with Guangzhou Automobile Industry Group (GAIG).
To tell the truth - if I could get a NEW 2013 / 2014 JEEP XJ to replace my 1989 that presently has 313,000 miles on it - I'd not care if it was made on MARS by Communists - I'd be the first in line to buy one in Red.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/we3/100_1770Medium.jpg)
Yes behind the '89 XJ is a 1977 JEEP J-20 3/4 ton runs like a top also and in the back yard is a 1971 M38A1 that is almost back to life.
...almost.....
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The 89 looks pretty good for 20 years old.
I take it you're a "Jeep guy" ;D
Are you sure the 3rd one is an M-38 and not an M-151 with unibody ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willys_MB
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Too bad. The Chrysler-Benz deal had Jeep Wrangler moving in the right direction. Was considering getting one. Oh well, just have to buy a new Hummer I guess. Or just keep my 1996 Ford F150 4x4! )f course, I could always move to Wulumuchi (Urumchi), but why? I already live in the People's Republic of MD, same thing.
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The 89 looks pretty good for 20 years old.
I take it you're a "Jeep guy" ;D
Are you sure the 3rd one is an M-38 and not an M-151 with unibody ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willys_MB
Yah the XJ (Cherokee) has been a labor of love - I've TWICE now bought replacement vehicles because the "old girl" was 170,000 miles then another when it hit 266,000 miles.....
There gone and it's still here.
I've learned a lot of self reliance in vehicle repair doing almost EVERYTHING at least twice on it now my self. To the point I even impressed me with my own work. I now look at as I CAN do that.... if not I know I can figure it out.
My avatar on the JEEP forums says it all.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/we3/avatar159672_3gif.jpg)
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Hate to tell you Lobo, but the Chinese bought the Hummer brand a couple years ago.
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All right Ethel - don't let your panties get all wadded up - if your much of a JEEP fan, which I'll make the guess most that replied are not.
You would know that JEEP has been in China and manufacturing there since Jan 15 1984 E I G H T Y F O U R
The point of my post was meant to be; Chrysler, hence Jeep, was bailed out by the gub'mint. Now, Chrysler is planning/contemplating/considering moving all Jeep assembly to China.
Hmmmm........., U.S. gub'mint bails out Chrysler. Got it. Chrysler plans/considers closing U.S. manufacturing facilities and moving ALL of said production to China. Got it. Yet, O'bummer will not likely do anything to prevent Chrysler from exporting ALL those manufacturing jobs to China. So, as I see it, our tax dollars will be used to finance the export of U.S. jobs. I wouldn't be offended if I were shown to be wrong here.
And still my dumbschitt son will vote for O'bummer 'cause he saved his job.
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The point of my post was meant to be; Chrysler, hence Jeep, was bailed out by the gub'mint. Now, Chrysler is planning/contemplating/considering moving all Jeep assembly to China.
Hmmmm........., U.S. gub'mint bails out Chrysler. Got it. Chrysler plans/considers closing U.S. manufacturing facilities and moving ALL of said production to China. Got it. Yet, O'bummer will not likely do anything to prevent Chrysler from exporting ALL those manufacturing jobs to China. So, as I see it, our tax dollars will be used to finance the export of U.S. jobs. I wouldn't be offended if I were shown to be wrong here.
And still my dumbschitt son will vote for O'bummer 'cause he saved his job.
At least until Nov 7.
Have you heard about the defense company lay offs and the WARN act ?
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/26/morning-bell-obama-administration-will-pay-companies-to-violate-the-law/?roi=echo3-13574910766-10092774-ce3f82def6576e260ee177020a019d72&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell
The Obama Administration’s disregard for the law has struck again—and this time, it’s encouraging others to violate the law at taxpayer expense.
That’s worth saying again: The Obama Administration is encouraging people to violate a law, and promising that it will use taxpayer money to cover fines incurred from this action.
The law: The law in question is called the WARN Act, and it requires that federal contractors send employees layoff notices 60 days before a plant closing or mass layoff.
The inconvenience: Massive defense spending cuts under sequestration are scheduled to hit on January 2, 2013. Defense contractors affected by the budget cuts would have to issue notice letters to employees by November 2 (four days before the election) to meet the January 2 start date for the spending cuts.
The penalty taxpayers would pay: Employers who violate the WARN Act are liable to their former employees for “back pay for each day of a violation” and “benefits under an employee benefit plan,” as well as a penalty of $500 for each day that notice has not been sent to the local government where the layoffs will occur.
As an example, Lockheed CEO Bob Stevens has said that 123,000 of his employees would receive layoff notices. If companies fail to meet the WARN Act’s deadline, lawsuits from employees could result—but the White House has provided a taxpayer-funded guarantee as a way to counter their fears of enormous litigation costs. This guarantee is not only unprecedented but also potentially unlawful.
This week, President Obama sent mixed signals about the fate of these budget cuts. He suggested at Monday’s debate that sequestration wouldn’t happen, but then days later indicated to an Iowa newspaper that it would.
It remains to be seen whether companies will take the Administration up on its offer. And government contractors who rely on this “guarantee” from the White House do so at their peril: If this Administration or a new Administration changes its mind and withdraws the guarantee, those contractors will have no cause of action against the government for the cost of WARN Act violations.
If this were a joke, the punchline would be that President Obama supported the WARN Act when he was a Senator—and even wanted to require that employers give more notice. In 2007, he argued that contractors should have to give 90 days’ notice.
Then-Senator Obama said:
American workers who have committed themselves to their employers expect in return to be treated with a modicum of respect and fairness. Failing to give workers fair warning…ignores their need to prepare for the transition.…Many of these workers support families that are living from paycheck to paycheck, squeezed by the demands of rising health care costs, the declining value of their homes, and wages that have been stagnant for decades. It adds insult to injury to close a plant without warning employees.
But this is no joke. This is the ultimate abuse of the President’s executive authority: inducing federal contractors to violate a federal law and promising to use taxpayer funds to reimburse them for any resulting liability that they incur for violating that law.
Refusing to follow federal law has become the hallmark of this Administration, but the White House’s latest arrogant, unlawful ploy goes even further and may end up costing the American taxpayer a great deal of money.
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Holy miss information batman! :o
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/no-jeep-isn-t-moving-factories-production-china-205828426.html
I'll keep this simple...
China has the worlds largest growing economy. They purchase vehicles at a rate unmatched by any other country so it would be silly not to venture into that market. There is an American stigma that surrounds the Jeep brand and the Chinese like it. So they are going to open plants and produce vehicles for that market. Read the article and then feel shame for inciting panic.
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Holy miss information batman! :o
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/no-jeep-isn-t-moving-factories-production-china-205828426.html
I'll keep this simple...
Read the article and then feel shame for inciting panic.
Perhaps the author of the original article linked in this thread should be the one feeling shame. I commented about that article as written. I also stated in a different post that I would like to be proven wrong. Thank you for proving me wrong. I'm rather relieved to discover that my son will still have a job for a while. I don't want to have to raise my grandkids. I also don't see where I was inciting panic. YMMV, thanks for stopping in, come again, have a nice day.
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Holy miss information batman! :o
......Read the article and then feel shame for inciting panic.
Holy Histrionics, Batman!
So we have two opinion pieces that conflict with one another- Washington Examiner and Yahoo! Also we have the Bloomberg news article. I note the author of the Yahoo! piece does not get any clarification from Chrysler about the article.
But here is an official statement written on a Chrysler blog from a honcho with the company:
"Jeep in China
by Gualberto Ranieri
October 25, 2012 4:24 PM
There are times when the reading of a newswire report generates storms originated by a biased or predisposed approach.
On Oct. 22, 2012, at 11:10 a.m. ET, the Bloomberg News report “Fiat Says Jeep® Output May Return to China as Demand Rises” stated “Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley (President and CEO of the Jeep brand) referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.”
Despite clear and accurate reporting, the take has given birth to a number of stories making readers believe that Chrysler plans to shift all Jeep production to China from North America, and therefore idle assembly lines and U.S. workforce. It is a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats.
Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation. A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments."
http://blog.chryslergroupllc.com/blog.do;jsessionid=E7F5C343000FEAD2C7AD29238D855AD3?id=1932&p=entry (http://blog.chryslergroupllc.com/blog.do;jsessionid=E7F5C343000FEAD2C7AD29238D855AD3?id=1932&p=entry)
Mr. Ranieri is the Senior Vice President, Corporate Communications, for Fiat/Chrysler. Mr. Ranieri says a careful reading of the Bloomberg article would have avoided the problem, maybe so. And I would suggest to Mr. Ranieri he advise Mr. Manley to weigh his words more carefully in the future.
All of this stated, it would not surprise me they move a significant quantity, if not all production to China in the future. They need to get through this election first before they proceed down that path. I have been through these things before in my career and I can tell you the management will lie to you, with a straight face. So I am not really trusting of official statements from corporations and the government.
YMMV.
Fatbaldguy, I'm glad you're son still has a job for now. If I were him, I would be looking for something else unless he really feels rock-solid at that company.
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Perhaps the author of the original article linked in this thread should be the one feeling shame. I commented about that article as written. I also stated in a different post that I would like to be proven wrong. Thank you for proving me wrong. I'm rather relieved to discover that my son will still have a job for a while. I don't want to have to raise my grandkids. I also don't see where I was inciting panic. YMMV, thanks for stopping in, come again, have a nice day.
I was trying to throw out a funny vibe, now I feel shame for being a dick... There is always a possibility of a company moving or shutting down but I think Fiat knows what they are doing and jeep will be around for a long time in the American market.
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I was trying to throw out a funny vibe, now I feel shame for being a dick... There is always a possibility of a company moving or shutting down but I think Fiat knows what they are doing and jeep will be around for a long time in the American market.
No blood, no foul. You were not being a richard in my book. The article I referenced just hit a bit too close to home. Thanks again for the second article.
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I was trying to throw out a funny vibe, now I feel shame for being a dick... There is always a possibility of a company moving or shutting down but I think Fiat knows what they are doing and jeep will be around for a long time in the American market.
If it feels good do it ;D
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I'm with ya brother. I have a very strong attachment to the Jeep brand. I have owned 1 cherokee and every gen of wrangler since the YJ. I absolutely love the brand. After the by out by Fiat I felt a strong Italian pride in knowing that they were in good hands. Fiat has out lasted damn near every competition it had in Europe. They have a great team of engineers and a very good marketing scheme. Remember the Clint Eastwood commercials during SB half time. Fiat ain't stupid they know Jeep is an iconic American brand, they show a bunch of willy's running the beaches in France and people throw them money. Sad thing is they really don't have a market in France for them. China and Japan however eat them up.
On a side note, the company I work for has sales offices in China and they are now building a plant in China to keep up with the demand. Boats can only go so fast with so much on them, building a facility only makes sense in their eyes. Right now China reminds me of the 90's here. So full of life and purchase power, it won't surprise me when they surpass our import figures.
If it feels good do it ;D
Oh you. :P
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Thread drift ahead...
The WARN Act notices Tom mentioned have me curious. I was informed Fri our company did not win the recompeted contract for the work I do. The company plan is to find spots for people between now and 31 Dec, in all honesty to make sure the new company falls flat. They don't have the manpower on hand or the expertise to fullfill the contract 1 Jan unless they hire most, if not all of the current staff from my company actually DOING the work. The only reason they won the contract in the first place is cost. My company has been supporting this contract for 35 years and has people with nearly 50 yrs experience on the platform. Most of the gov't technical leads are pissed, but it's all up to contracts to decide. They will always lean towards a 30% cost savings vice technical ability.
Long story short, I may be moving between now and Christmas. Some comparable positions are here locally but most are out of the area (Northern VA, Nothern, or Southern Cali.) The new company hasn't come in to offer anything yet but unless they hae a VERY good benefit package and the pay is the same or higher, I'll probably stay with the one I'm with. Unless the govt offers a spot, then all bets are off.
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Just to dig up a partially dead horse.... Marconi (FIAT chairman) said today that YES they ARE opening a plant in Chee'nah to open global market - but NOT closing a single MFG in America.
It's to bring JEEP to other corners of the world not move it out of U.S.A.
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The french own them now, they can do what they want.
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BTW
We'll get our WARN Act letters by the end of the week
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Do you mean Nov 2 or Nov 9th ?
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Just to keep the silliness alive - Ole' CRAAAAAZY Joe Biden said on Sunday Nov 04 2012 in OH.
“President Clinton bankrupted Chrysler so that Italians could buy it to ship jobs overseas to China.”
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/11/05/biden-president-clinton-bankrupted-chrysler/
You go Joe... you go girl....