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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: santahog on October 26, 2012, 04:51:19 PM
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These guys should be given the Congressional Medal of Freedom, (since they weren't active military).
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The results sure as hell were "not optimal" for them.
Hey BO, they are not "bumps in the road", they are Americans killed because of you're policies and lack of action .
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obama would have thrown a ch@t fit if he thought a Muslim brother got hurt in this mess in my opinion and it's time for All Americans to off set the illegals and dead voting for obummer :'( :-X ???
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Here is a video that indicts the whole BHO administration.
These dung piles shouldn't even be showing their faces in public.
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I generally don't go for these female O'Reilly or Chris Matthews types. Nancy Grace, this one...too loud, too opinionated, and just annoying as hell. I have to admit though, that was a pretty good scolding...good for her.
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2:39 point: You don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what is going on ???
What is the purpose of a security force or active military if it is not to respond to emergency hostile situations. Law enforcement officers all over our country are rushing into unknown situations every minute of every day based on nothing more than a 911 call for help or an unknown alarm signal from a remote box.
If this is the true stance of our leaders and we don't get them changed next week I change my stance on the United Nations. If this is going to be our new commitment to action we need to just lock down our bases and turn our security over to the blue helmets.
Our consulate is calling for help, and we can't put aircraft up to get over their - first arriving within an hour and rotary shortly after, or maybe someone would have thought it would be a good idea to have security forces stationed there ... Isn't this a hostile zone that would warrant security forces in a United States owned and operated facility?
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2:39 point: You don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what is going on ???
What is the purpose of a security force or active military if it is not to respond to emergency hostile situations. Law enforcement officers all over our country are rushing into unknown situations every minute of every day based on nothing more than a 911 call for help or an unknown alarm signal from a remote box.
If this is the true stance of our leaders and we don't get them changed next week I change my stance on the United Nations. If this is going to be our new commitment to action we need to just lock down our bases and turn our security over to the blue helmets.
Our consulate is calling for help, and we can't put aircraft up to get over their - first arriving within an hour and rotary shortly after, or maybe someone would have thought it would be a good idea to have security forces stationed there ... Isn't this a hostile zone that would warrant security forces in a United States owned and operated facility?
It's not in the budget
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It's not in the budget
Bullshit!!!
Priorities!!!
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Bullshit!!!
Priorities!!!
Bullshit priorities.
FIFY,
Not tuna's with good taste, tuna's that taste good.
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2:39 point: You don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what is going on ???
What is the purpose of a security force or active military if it is not to respond to emergency hostile situations. Law enforcement officers all over our country are rushing into unknown situations every minute of every day based on nothing more than a 911 call for help or an unknown alarm signal from a remote box.
If this is the true stance of our leaders and we don't get them changed next week I change my stance on the United Nations. If this is going to be our new commitment to action we need to just lock down our bases and turn our security over to the blue helmets.
Our consulate is calling for help, and we can't put aircraft up to get over their - first arriving within an hour and rotary shortly after, or maybe someone would have thought it would be a good idea to have security forces stationed there ... Isn't this a hostile zone that would warrant security forces in a United States owned and operated facility?
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Its 1400 miles from Baghdad to Bengazi. No way in hell we couldn't have had some fast movers there in two to three hours tops. Whatever jackass didn't authorize that should be hanged. Its not clear if this was a presidential directive or came from much further down the food chain, but its still BOs responsibility.
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Military went on record that week that they had F18's 400 miles away!
I don't know what base, but they said from call to scene was an hour tops and probably less. They also said they have rotary there that would be right behind.
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I have no reason to believe that this (in)action wasn't from the top. This has BOs prints all over it, and it makes sense, too, given his caviler, arrogant attitude towards the F&F fiasco.
I think he knew if they survived that he would get caught with his hands in the cookie jar again, so he watched them die..
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Military went on record that week that they had F18's 400 miles away!
I don't know what base, but they sad from call to scene was a hour tops and probably less. They also said they have rotary there that would be right behind.
CVN in the Med, Rota Spain, or Sigonella Italy. Air Farce has F-16/15s in Itally too, plus MC-130s and AC-130s
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CVN in the Med, Rota Spain, or Sigonella Italy. Air Farce has F-16/15s in Itally too, plus MC-130s and AC-130s
Not to mention a SpecOps capable Battalion of Marines (reinforced)
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So we have a CIA guy on a roof painting a target with a laser designator.
That right there tells me that there were contigency plans already in place... That they knew that there was at least a predator drone equipped with Hellfire missiles.
Before those 2 X-Seals were deployed to Libya, somebody higher up the food chain said "yeah, take the laser designators with you just in case the shit hits the fan. We got your back with our drones until larger military assets can show up on scene."
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Well, it's Sunday before election day and Obama and his administration are still getting away with it. And we will vote and watch the results on Tuesday, the results that are being reported by the same main stream media that is covering up for Obama! I'll watch Fox and plan to drink a lot. If Romney wins, I'll be hung over and happy. If Obama wins?
A scenario that makes as much sense as any cropped up on Fox awhile back:
Amb Stevens was on a covert mission to Benghazi to coordinate the next arms shipment from Libya to Syria through Turkey. One such shipment had been completed just 5 days before. The arms are destined to rebel groups sympathetic to secular policies, not to groups that promote Jihadi or strict Islamic policies. So he goes to Benghazi with (or he meets with) the Information Officer Sean Smith (now if you believe that Sean Smith was a real information officer or that Sean Smith was his real name, I have a bridge for you). To keep the mission quiet, a very small security entourage accompanied Amb Stevens to meet with a Turkish diplomat to coordinate shipments, pass money, whatever. They chose 9/11 as a good day to cover all of this. After the meeting with the Turk, the shit hits the fan.
So where do these arms come from? From the same arms stashes that Al Qaeda rebel groups draw from for their nefarious activities, so this pisses them off to no end. Not only are the arms gonna be denied to them, but don't even go to rebel groups they provide and support in Syria! In their minds, this has to be stopped at all costs. Leaks in the Libyan security forces tipped off the armed rebels that Amb Stevens was going to Benghazi on that day to meet the Turk. The rebels don't want to piss off the Turks, so they wait until the meeting with him is over, then they attack AS PLANNED!.
Their attack goes better than planned as Libyan security forces disappear and there is no real resistance from the Consulate. They probably were aware of the annex a kilometer or so away, but not necessarily of its real significance ( a CIA center (LP) for gathering intelligence on Al Qaeda, coordinating center for arms shipments, whatever) but were certainly drawn to it when Tyrone Woods led a rescue effort from there to the Consulate and returned there as well. The fact that the CIA reaction team from Tripoli went there (and the hospital looking for the Amb) also reinforced its significance. Why would the reaction team want to protect the annex and not go to do the same to the Consulate? Could it be that the delay (3 hours) that team encountered at Benghazi airport was deliberate to allow the rebels complete access to the Consulate? If so, that was factored in by the Al Qaeda planners, but perhaps not the CIA Annex!
So, the CIA may be right when they say they dispatched the reaction team from Tripoli to Benghazi within 25 minutes of the attack on the Consulate. But the 3 hr delay at the airport rendered them useless to help protect that Consulate. Or, maybe it wasn't intended to go to the Consulate after all. Since contingency planning had the Amb and Sean Smith going to the Annex in an emergency, the reaction team was only destined to go the Annex all along.
Emboldened by the lack of reaction from the U.S, the Al Qaeda rebels regrouped then attacked the Annex. This is where Tyrone and Glenn bought the farm. Things get hazy here as the Annex is then evacuated (totally?) with survivors and the bodies of Tyrone, Glenn and Sean sent to an airport for evacuation from country. Time is required to destroy and/or remove documents, computers, hard drives, DVDs, photos, etc of an intelligence nature in a CIA Annex. CIA no doubt was trying to buy that time; Tyrone and Glenn may have paid for it. At some point in a CIA covert operation, secrets become more important than lives I think. Dead men tell no tales, but classified documents left behind do.
There were a lot of things to cover up in this whole affair. All of us are becoming more aware each day as Fox delves deeper and deeper, obviously aided by some "Deep Throat" source or sources. But there is something else that needs to be addressed as well. Why did it take 17 days for the FBI investigation team to get to Benghazi? Red tape with the Libyan government? Imminent danger? Or, perhaps was it the CIA attempting to clean up the Annex and any other embarrassing intelligence that they didn't want documented by the FBI in their investigation. CIA - FBI rivalries are long standing, especially when it involves external U.S. operations (CIA insists that is their sandbox) and CIA covert operations. CIA could easily convince Libyan leaders in Tripoli that it was not in their best interests to have this treated as a criminal case by a U.S. government bent on pointing fingers to anywhere and anyone but themselves. Come to think of it, CIA could convince Turkey, Tunisia and others of the same thing. They could easily convince me too. The coverup has easily demonstrated that many U.S. departments and agencies are stumbling all over themselves to avoid the spinning bottle to be pointed at them.
Oh well, have I embellished what the Fox reporter started to say before she was interrupted by her host? Guilty! Just had to get it off my chest as this whole affair stinks to high heaven. This is certainly von Lustbader material, but the ending would certainly be better with Jason Bourne involved! Look out, Obama, Jason is on your tail.
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Now, in addition to several hundred mexican nationals and one or two border agents, there is also the blood of an ambassador, an american diplomat, and two american warriors on Obama's hands. He carries the blood of hundreds on his hands, not because of his position as Commander In Chief, but because of his INCOMPETENCE in the position of Commander IN Chief. The man needs to be sent off to write more books about himself and help Al Gore sell global warming.
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Now, in addition to several hundred mexican nationals and one or two border agents, there is also the blood of an ambassador, an american diplomat, and two american warriors on Obama's hands. He carries the blood of hundreds on his hands, not because of his position as Commander In Chief, but because of his INCOMPETENCE in the position of Commander IN Chief. The man needs to be sent off to write more books about himself and help Al Gore sell global warming.
Only if we can't arrange for him to rot in (or under) a prison.
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Every time I hear about Benghazi it reminds me of this guy. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0073137/
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I'm thinking more along these lines. But sadly, however Tuesday goes we won't get a President with enough sand to give the order.
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You notice that the Marines sitting there getting shot at didn't have any problem at all with hosing the "mot**r fuc**rs" once they had a clear order ?
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Even though that is a movie, the fact is similar:
Go back to VietNam and talk to those who were there. Even those that struggled with everything will opening tell you that when you are receiving inbound or dodging booby traps, you don't care man, woman or child - Kill 'em all, and let God sort them out! That isn't just a neat t-shirt slogan, that is what they survived on over there!
Our fighters follow orders and do what needs to be done. That is why it is always so difficult when they are ordered to stand down, and it creates issues when the disobey orders to do what is right.
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Even though that is a movie, the fact is similar:
Go back to VietNam and talk to those who were there. Even those that struggled with everything will opening tell you that when you are receiving inbound or dodging booby traps, you don't care man, woman or child - Kill 'em all, and let God sort them out! That isn't just a neat t-shirt slogan, that is what they survived on over there!
Our fighters follow orders and do what needs to be done. That is why it is always so difficult when they are ordered to stand down, and it creates issues when the disobey orders to do what is right.
True, up to a point. The American warfighter is taught to think, to adapt, and to improvise as well as follow orders. When the orders are contradicted by the situation, the boots on the ground used to have the ability to override the orders. With this admin, they have adopted a more Soviet-bloc mindset (who's really surprised here?) of command from the top and no deviation. Even Generals and Admirals get arrested here - now.
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Many years ago, back in the late 60's or early 70's I read a news story about a group of American protestors who filled the 'playing field' of a bull ring in Mexico. I assumed at the time they were there to protest the Viet Nam as that was more central in my life, even though I wondered why they were in Mexico. Later I figured it was the bull fight itself they were protesting.
The authorities ordered them to leave and they refused with the usual signs of solidarity, holding hands and arms and chanting about their determination to not yield.
The Mexican authorities who, it appears, were less tolerant of American protestors than we are here, opened fire on the crowd. The protestor's resolve dissolved and then ran for the exits in terror.
I've not been able to find any reference of this event on the internet, but then Al Gore's invention wasn't publicly available a that time.
If anyone can confirm that event, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
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Sounds familiar, IIRC the French shot up at least on or 2 protests in the 60's as well.
I remember My Dad saying they should do the same thing to those "Hippy faggot's" in DC as well.