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Title: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: gunman42782 on April 25, 2008, 09:48:36 PM: Has anyone else noticed that every stinking gun magazine in the country has run an article on the Kimber SIS 1911 in the last couple of months? I mean, dang, I have never seen a pistol that each and every gun rag I subscribe to put out articles that close together on the same gun. I am sure it is a fine gun, and I own a Kimber myself, but I am suffering from Kimber SIS fatique!
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: ericire12 on April 25, 2008, 10:14:49 PM: Yeah, I know what you mean. And other then it having a custom rear sight and a kinda new look, its not really big news - just another 1911 from Kimber.

I like the SIS look on the compact, but the full sized version is a little too much (I think they should have just had the SIS logo on the rear portion of the slide). I am also really surprised that the LCP has not made a cover story yet.
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: Rastus on April 26, 2008, 09:04:36 AM: It's the business announcement PR thing I'd imagine. A few months ago all you saw on the cover stories were the SR9's (I do with I'd get my shipping date for the recall....), next month it's gonna be the SLX Asteroid Blaster.....

I prefer this over what we had out there 35-40 years ago when I was a child/teenager. Not enough different types of guns coming out to highlight a new model all the time. Once a year you had a rimfire edition with the same old guns, then you had a shotgun edition with the same old guns...followed by the lever action edition with the same old guns.....

These are the good old days!!!
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 26, 2008, 09:53:51 AM: I have to agree with Rastus, there is more variety today, BUT I am getting sick of hearing about the SIS. ;D
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: Bill Stryker on April 26, 2008, 03:07:32 PM: I'm getting sick of hearing of yet another 1911 variant. At some level they are all the same. I still like my 1911s but I have moved on. I don't read the 1911 drivel. We have heard it all.
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: gunman1911 on April 26, 2008, 05:44:45 PM: Don't get me wrong I do on a Kimber and love the way it runs but the SIS is just cosmetic on the out side, I can plate in gold and silver douse it with holy water and put the Lord's name on it but that does not make it shoot.
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 26, 2008, 06:38:31 PM: Quote from: gunman1911 on April 26, 2008, 05:44:45 PM
Don't get me wrong I do on a Kimber and love the way it runs but the SIS is just cosmetic on the out side, I can plate in gold and silver douse it with holy water and put the Lord's name on it but that does not make it shoot.

Reading this months copies of American Rifleman, and Shooting Times There has not been a "NEW" gun since the Glock, everything the gun industry is hyping are just modifications of things that have been around for years, Rugers 2 "NEW" .44 magnums are a 50th anniversary Super Blackhawk, and the Redhawk,which came out in the 80's but with a 4 inch barrel, NEF is advertising it's Handi Rifle, it used to be the H&R Handi Rifle, Mossbergs "NEW" rifle is a rifle and caliber combo (Lever action 30/30) thats more than 100 years old, Remington is hyping an AR, big deal, thats 40 years old. The only things TRULY "NEW" are calibers offered in the same old actions, and who is making those same old actions, for example, Remington has not been known for Semi Auto rifles, but now has an AR. about the only TRULY NEW thing on the market that I've seen is the Leverevolution ammo.
This doesn't mean I don't like any of these, it just means that there is alot of marketing BS in print.
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: mnshooter on April 26, 2008, 09:13:33 PM: Had a chance to try out a SIS on a misty, foggy day. The little bit of moisture collecting on the slide made the swirly SIS grasping "grooves" (grasping letters?) very slippery. I can't imagine anyone choosing those over standard serrations, or even the fish scales if you have to have something different. I didn't say better, just different. The square notch on the rear sight does make sense for single hand slide racking. Oddly, Richard Heinie made the world's best rear sight that also featured a "racking" notch, and had to go to a smoother slanted style to keep the masses happy. You could likely train yourself to use the SIS slide, but I can squeeze a hand strength meter off the scale, and still had some slips in quick TRB drills, something I have never had happen with the dozen or so 1911's (Colt, Para, Kimber, Les Baer, Springfield) I currently have on hand. Michael wrote about the trend to create new cosmetic variations just to have something new for the market; this one does seem to fall into that group.
At the same time, new out of the box, it functioned 100%, printing right on top of the front sight at 25 yards with 230FMJ, just to give credit to the part that really matters.
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: Neon Knight Anubis on April 26, 2008, 10:44:57 PM: A month or so ago there was a magazine here that had the SIS as a cover story, if its a cover story here then I know it has to be bad back in the US. I it weren't for the SIS grooves I'd love the overall look of the pistol but those grooves scream mall ninja.
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: Rastus on April 27, 2008, 08:37:01 AM: Quote from: Neon Knight Anubis on April 26, 2008, 10:44:57 PM
A month or so ago there was a magazine here that had the SIS as a cover story, if its a cover story here then I know it has to be bad back in the US. I it weren't for the SIS grooves I'd love the overall look of the pistol but those grooves scream mall ninja.

OH man...I just noticed you were in Japan. Not a lot for gun shops over there, eh? I'd be having terrible withdrawals....might not make it past 2-3 weeks.
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: Ron J on April 27, 2008, 11:50:56 AM: Quote from: Neon Knight Anubis on April 26, 2008, 10:44:57 PM
A month or so ago there was a magazine here that had the SIS as a cover story, if its a cover story here then I know it has to be bad back in the US. I it weren't for the SIS grooves I'd love the overall look of the pistol but those grooves scream mall ninja.

Amen.
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: m25operator on April 27, 2008, 02:13:02 PM: But Japan does have really slick gun magazines, they do tend to go for the flashy, but they also do articles on guns all over the world more than we see in the US. They are also the soft air capital of the world. I still would not want to live there, but they are trying to keep the hobby up in their own way. My guns are not hobbies, but if I could'nt have one, I'd still try to keep up.
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: Neon Knight Anubis on April 27, 2008, 06:04:13 PM: Unfortunately I can't find anything here locally in terms of Airsoft ranges but after a four year dry spell in college spending a year in Japan isn't all that bad, its really a lot of fun. If I was going to stay for a few years then yeah I'd go out of my way to find one but I'm busy with school at this point. The gun magazines are really slick but they're about $10 an issue so I only buy them when there is something I really want. Unfortunately my kanji is still not so great, if they broke it down into the more basic script it wouldn't be so bad.
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: Dougdubya on April 28, 2008, 11:09:21 AM: It's another 1911. And 1911's make good cover photos. The same went for the Kimber Warrior, the Nighthawk pistols, etc. etc.
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: pioneer on April 29, 2008, 02:00:00 PM: Quote from: Billstryker on April 26, 2008, 03:07:32 PM
I'm getting sick of hearing of yet another 1911 variant. At some level they are all the same. I still like my 1911s but I have moved on. I don't read the 1911 drivel. We have heard it all.

100% in agreement! I own a 1911, I learned to shoot handguns on a 1911, I have instructed on 1911s, and agree they are great guns. They are not, however, the only .45 acp on the planet and there are other great platforms. Check the advertising pages on those mags and see if Kimber is running ads. The publishers tend to stroke their advertisers and give them good test reports and coverage.

Right up there with 1911 fatigue, it AR-15/M-4 overload. Yawn.

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Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: ericire12 on April 29, 2008, 03:59:03 PM: Quote from: pioneer on April 29, 2008, 02:00:00 PM

Right up there with 1911 fatigue, it AR-15/M-4 overload.

That's the truth!
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: Dougdubya on April 29, 2008, 10:00:45 PM: Another +1.

I like 1911's. I even guiltily admit to buying those "Books of the 1911" put out every year. And the GLOCK!(TM&R) annuals.

But 1911's aren't the ONLY guns out there.

Sidenote: Only plastic and 1911's from Smith and Wesson from now on?

Bogus. :(
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: P. Plainsman on May 03, 2008, 03:51:23 AM: I gotta agree with the drift of this thread, thanks for posting it. I like 1911s! But if you wanted a perfect instance of gun mag hype that embodies the gripes of the "Another 1911?" school, this was it.

The petite Springfield EMP, now that was a 1911 release I wanted to read about. If anything could qualify as a "New 1911," that was it. (I've handled and shot one, and it was an exquisitely ergonomic little gun with great trigger and great sights. Very accurate. But the one I shot was unreliable with hard-primered S&B 9mm ammo that my CZs gobble without a hitch. I've heard of other reliability problems with the EMP; even the gun mags have taken note of it. If Springfield can get 'em running, they will have something special. Point is, it's a new and interesting concept in the 1911-pattern pistol.)

But this SIS silliness?

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Had a chance to try out a SIS on a misty, foggy day. The little bit of moisture collecting on the slide made the swirly SIS grasping "grooves" (grasping letters?) very slippery. I can't imagine anyone choosing those over standard serrations, or even the fish scales if you have to have something different.

Exactly my reaction. Note that Mas Ayoob dinged the SIS for those ill thought-out, gimmicky "SIS" shaped serrations. He said they were just barely adequate for manipulating the slide under some adverse conditions.

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those grooves scream mall ninja

Word.

Kimber's a main offender in the monthly "Pimp My 1911" sweepstakes. Dilutes their good guns.

Gun mag editors: More CZ pistols, please!
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: leatherman92 on May 03, 2008, 08:11:03 AM: very fatigued!
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: P. Plainsman on May 03, 2008, 04:15:03 PM: Another good observation upthread:

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Sidenote: Only plastic and 1911's from Smith and Wesson from now on?

Bogus.

I know. I recently picked up a 1990s era S&W 3913 (3d gen series, compact DA/SA single-stack 9mm, 8+1) -- the one they now only make in "Ladysmith" format.

Smart little carry gun! Impressively slim slide and grip dimensions, bobbed hammer, clean 3-dot Novak sights as standard equipment. Small, but not too small to use well. Eats up +P ammo, whatever ammo, no problem. It's not my most accurate 9mm, but it'd do the job.

It's the Ruger SP101 of autoloaders. S&W's 3rd gen pistol design was kinda clunky and blocky in full-sized service pistol format (like the Ruger GP100 service revolver), but when you shrunk that design down to compact carry size (3913 :: SP101), you get a very tough, shootable yet handy little gun with a lot of personality and some real advantages.

With all the demand now for single stack 9mms for carry (like the EMP), it's kind of a shame the basic 3913 got lost in the shuffle with all the polymer hype.

OK, end of digression. ;D
Title: Re: Kimber SIS fatigue
Post by: ericire12 on May 03, 2008, 05:27:23 PM: Quote from: P. Plainsman on May 03, 2008, 04:15:03 PM

I know. I recently picked up a 1990s era S&W 3913 (3d gen series, compact DA/SA single-stack 9mm, 8+1) -- the one they now only make in "Ladysmith" format.

Post some pics