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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: alfsauve on November 06, 2012, 07:26:45 AM
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If Romney wins life pretty much goes on as normal... well except for the inevitable riots from the entitled group. Life will, as most of us believe, actually improve.
BUT WHAT IF bHO wins? Just play what if!
The wife has already said, I have cart blanche with the savings account. Her preference is ammo and reloading supplies. I have my cart filled already at Powder Valley and Berry Bullets. Just waiting to pull the trigger (so to speak).
But for a moment consider what gun would you buy tomorrow if the unthinkable happens? If you have a reasonable compliment of firearms already, what what would you add to the collection?
Several thoughts:
1) Restricted firearms: Buy ARs, semi-autos and silencers while we can?
2) Investment: Should you buy guns as an investment since prices will climb. Lots of vanilla ARs or at least the lowers?
3) SHTF: More C&Rs? More ARs? More .40 and 9mm handguns? Buy used FTF to minimize tracing?
Then there's always the possibility that Romney wins, but bHO declares a national emergency and won't step down.
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FTF
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If Romney wins life pretty much goes on as normal... well except for the inevitable riots from the entitled group. Life will, as most of us believe, actually improve.
BUT WHAT IF bHO wins? Just play what if!
The wife has already said, I have cart blanche with the savings account. Her preference is ammo and reloading supplies. I have my cart filled already at Powder Valley and Berry Bullets. Just waiting to pull the trigger (so to speak).
But for a moment consider what gun would you buy tomorrow if the unthinkable happens? If you have a reasonable compliment of firearms already, what what would you add to the collection?
Several thoughts:
1) Restricted firearms: Buy ARs, semi-autos and silencers while we can?
2) Investment: Should you buy guns as an investment since prices will climb. Lots of vanilla ARs or at least the lowers?
3) SHTF: More C&Rs? More ARs? More .40 and 9mm handguns? Buy used FTF to minimize tracing?
Then there's always the possibility that Romney wins, but bHO declares a national emergency and won't step down.
Wow! That would be nice. Never happen in my house. :'(
I don't think that BHO would declare martial law, they are very patient. They would just immediately start the sabotage/undermining of Romney so as to reaquire the office in 4 years and continue on with their nefarious plans. When you have spent the last 4 years blaming the last president for your failures, this just gives them more "Republican failures" to trumpet.
Oh wait, thread drift on the second post! :o SORRY!
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The biggest hole I see in my 'arsenal' is a 308 Semi-Auto.
I'd be considering a AR-10, AR-15 variant, PTR, or Saiga.
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Solus, build an AR on a CMMG lower.
They have one that takes inexpensive G - 3 Mags.
I have heard that there are issues with the Saiga .308 mags, don't know how true it is.
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Me, I'd buy mags. They won't ban ammo, and any gun you own already would probably be grandfathered, unless they want to go Australia, but that won't fly here. Mags on the other hand? Those they can and will ban. If you've always wanted an AR or AK or another EBR, now would be the time. But remember, it will take take a law to make this happen. No way in hell is the GOP losing the house, and they have enough votes for a filibuster in the Senate. I'd be more worried about combloc guns, where ATF rules can make import of mags and ammo either illegal, or stupidly pricey. Think 922R on steroids. Good bye Saigas, cheap AKs etc.. Flip side, some US firm like magpul or C-Products would probably start making AK mags, but I doubt they'll be cheap.
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Nothing. Buy it today lol
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Solus, build an AR on a CMMG lower.
They have one that takes inexpensive G - 3 Mags.
I have heard that there are issues with the Saiga .308 mags, don't know how true it is.
I book marked some links you posted in another thread about CMMG lowers.
The smaller the individual expenditures are to make up the whole, the better chance I have of filling that 'hole'.
Thanks
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My planning stays with calibers that are currently considered hunting rounds because production of those will be harder to curtail and more readily available and re-loadable. Black market weapons and ammunition will be more plentiful in those calibers as well (223/556 notwithstanding). So I stick with .308, .30-06 as two that easily come to mind. I have others in mind but won't go into them here. I won't purchase any weapon or part that requires extraordinary registration with ATF or the MD State Police, because they can act quickly to confiscate such items, AND THEY WILL DO SO when given the chance. My choices obviously are colored by the fact that I already live in a police state. Those of you who are freer will begin to experience what I already do if Obama gets re-elected. Tom is generally right when he says that to vote for Obama is stupid. Actually it's suicidal! Remember when governments clamp down they start with the point of production (in the interest of public safety, of course), then distribution (interstate commerce clause) and then comes confiscation (revocation of the 2A) from the people. The government will be hesitant to confiscate all weapons and ammunition at first, not only because of the 2nd Amendment, but also because hunting is a way of life for some. So I'll stick with the known, recognized hunting rounds and rifles. I don't plan to use my handguns except as a last resort. And, lastly, I won't buy anything that I can't hide.
Tyranny almost always starts with democracy. The people do themselves in, so to speak. When you are sorry, it is already too late. Jobs are not the issue; FREEDOM is. It's not the nanny state; it's the mindset that gets you there. Just the musings of an old man?
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I could always use more guns (especially if the price is right)...but I'm more focused on ammo to stock up and feed my current arsenal. Mags and spare parts may run a close second.
A very close, and long-time, friend let me have 500 rounds of factory Federal ammo yesterday for the grand sum of $60. He had sold his .45 pistol and didn't need the ammo. He gave me first shot and I jumped quickly. :D
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The biggest hole I see in my 'arsenal' is a 308 Semi-Auto.
I'd be considering a AR-10, AR-15 variant, PTR, or Saiga.
I have a DPMS LR-308 that I have upgraded to SR-25 specs that I could be persuaded to part with if you are intrested....
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From another thread
Just ordered 1250 rounds off various calibers. The majority of the sites are overloaded with election orders. Delays in processing and shipping. I'll be ordering more as the cash becomes available. This is stupid crazy.
I might top off my .223 & .308 to 1,000 rounds. Then 10,000 more primers of each size. Some more magazines. Maybe a couple of AR lowers. Pistol bullets.
But what I think I really need to put in my arsenal, more for when the power goes out, is a crossbow.
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Just checked wiedeners for .223/5.56 ammo all of the bulk stuff has been sold, the only thing left are a single boxes in the heavier bullet weights.
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Aw crap! Here we go again. You all realize this is idiocy, right?
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Aw crap! Here we go again. You all realize this is idiocy, right?
Yep......and a lot of folks who stand to line their pockets were counting on this........panic buying.
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From another thread
I might top off my .223 & .308 to 1,000 rounds. Then 10,000 more primers of each size. Some more magazines. Maybe a couple of AR lowers. Pistol bullets.
But what I think I really need to put in my arsenal, more for when the power goes out, is a crossbow.
Just ordered a nice recurve crossbow with scope for $150 from Sportsman's Guide! :P
http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/sa-sports-175-lb-fever-crossbow-package.aspx?a=959330
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Okay, orders placed. Bullets, brass and primers.
CROSSBOW: I'm leaning towards the PSE Vipe Copperhead. $289 at the Crossbow Store. I think PSE is one of the higher end makers. I think the make the crossbow upper for the AR. This is in their low range, but I'm hoping the quality will still be there.
SMALL PISTOL PRIMERS: Out of stock at the usual places (MidwayUSA, MidSouth, PowderVally, etc). Anybody know a source in-stock?
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http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/3504?
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http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/3504?
SO FBG: I was about to tell you, "hey dummy can't you see it says 'out of stock' ". But then I was only looking at the CCI primers.
Well well, how about Sellier and Beloit? So I applied some quick Bing foo and it seems nobody has anything particularly bad to say about their primers. If they are a little hard to fire, I'll just use them for the 9mm in the Glock. (Glocks will fire anything you know.) I'll save the CCIs for the revolvers.
With S, H and Hazmat only 2.65cent apiece. Good deal as I figure on 3cents rule of thumb.
SO FBG: Thanks.
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Just ordered a nice recurve crossbow with scope for $150 from Sportsman's Guide! :P
http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/sa-sports-175-lb-fever-crossbow-package.aspx?a=959330
Well McGyver, I just had it in my stubborn head to order a PCE crossbow. After talking it over with the wife tonight she agreed this would be a good end-of-the-world purchase. I've got the PCE Viper on the way with 30 pointy head bolts. I'll add more bolts with "real" tips later.
Now, she wants to stock up on some survival stores. Some food and a generator. I told her we need to wait until the sales at the end of the month. Right now the stores here are low on generator stocks because of Hurricane Sandy.
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Skip the generator, go with candles and kerosene lamps.
If supply or finances become a problem, for example a financial collapse that puts fuel prices out of reach, small stocks of "lamp oil" will last much longer than generator fuel. besides which lamps are far more adaptable to alternative fuels.
Remember replacement wicks.
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I'm probably one of the few families in an urban area that has always had 4 hurricane, kerosene fueled lamps.
There's a bit of history. My grand-dad had a hunting lodge and we retrieved these from there after his death. They were in their original 1940s shipping box, packed with excelsior wood shavings. Sadly I threw away the Montgomery-Wards box and packing. Wood shavings were used before we had bubble wrap and styrofoam. It's still available as a boutique packaging material for about $1/lb. There is an old building in Atlanta that was a manufacturing plant for excelsior. The various retail establishments using the building have maintained part of the mill as a museum.
http://www.papermart.com/Product%20Pages/Product.aspx?GroupID=4523 (http://www.papermart.com/Product%20Pages/Product.aspx?GroupID=4523)
Anyway the generator is for short term power outages (usually less than a day) which happens every couple of years around here. If it's in the winter then I'll power up the furnace. If it's in the summer then the frig and freezer will get the power.
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If you are intereed in excelsior fibers, I can hook you up! I work with a manufacturer called Western Excelsior.
http://www.westernexcelsior.com/
They use Aspen Excelsior for erosion control products. If someone were to want some of this stuff in small quantities for packaging matrial, I'm sure I could get it, and it wouldn't be premium pricing either.
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Skip the generator, go with candles and kerosene lamps.
If supply or finances become a problem, for example a financial collapse that puts fuel prices out of reach, small stocks of "lamp oil" will last much longer than generator fuel. besides which lamps are far more adaptable to alternative fuels.
Remember replacement wicks.
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If you do get a generator, it might be advisable to pay the added expense for a multi-fuel model....... or a diesel that can burn old cooking oil, kerosene, and possibly old motor oil.
*As a side note: Used motor oil and straw or cotton can be made into a lamp in a metal container....but it is messy and should only be used outdoors. We used to make mini smudge pots out of old quart oil cans (back when they were made of cardboard) with nothing more than hay, burlap, and old oil with just a little diesel mixed in.
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Or one of those old military "all-fuel" slow-speed powered engines and build a generator! Them things can run on ANYTHING that burns! ;)
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Or one of those old military "all-fuel" slow-speed powered engines and build a generator! Them things can run on ANYTHING that burns! ;)
I think they put some multi-fuel engines in deuce-n-a-half's also.
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All 1970's 2 1/2's and M151 jeeps had multi fuel engines.
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Check out 100dollarman.com ( or something like that)