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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Jrlobo on November 09, 2012, 02:05:34 PM
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DirCIA resigned today. One down, several more to go.
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Resigned because he gout caught with his Pee Pee where it should not have been.
Caught in an extramarital affair - so he quit.
You know people you thought were squared away.... also turn out to be fudgetards.
By Dave... don't say another word - your a FAIL also.
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Yes, but think of the timing. Just before the critical Congressional hearings where he would have to testify, he steps down. Could it be that he was forced to do so because he was caught dipping his wick and it became known to those looking for a fall-guy. Can't think of the last time a person in that high of a position was caught and he resigned for that reason. Normally they are allowed to bow out at a convenient time for reasons of health, family or whatever. If he was caught by CIA security, like in the office with a secretary, this would have been handled much more quietly. I smell coercion in this one.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cia-chief-petraeus-resigns-reportedly-over-affair-201305343--politics.html
Petraeus' resignation letter, quoted by several news outlets, centered on his personal behavior.
"Yesterday afternoon, I went to the White House and asked the President to be allowed, for personal reasons, to resign from my position as D/CIA. After being married for over 37 years, I showed extremely poor judgment by engaging in an extramarital affair. Such behavior is unacceptable, both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours," he said. "This afternoon, the President graciously accepted my resignation."
Patreaus isn't the only one heading for the door.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-cabinet-look-195117634.html
Obama’s Cabinet: Goodbye Clinton, Geithner, Carney as new names top lists
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Patreaus out on a technicality, Clinton out of the country and cannot return to testify, a few other come to mind....curious?
Damn skippy...and if the General loses his clearance, can he even be called to a classified hearing? Curiouser and curiouser...
Me smells a cover up! Too bad there isn't a journalist anywhere in the nation willing to take on this administration. Good thing I no longer give a flying phuque. My country is gone!
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Since when did the Democrats ever care about extramarital affairs?
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Since when did the Democrats ever care about extramarital affairs?
Curious ain't it?
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The word is out: this is an inside job. Inside the CIA where he was not loved and inside the Obama WH where he could not be trusted to continue the coverup. The infighting inside the intelligence community has always been fierce. The CIA hates the FBI and State Department. The NSA hates the CIA and DIA. DIA hates the CIA regarding HUMINT. And everybody hates the HS and Justice Departments. Add the DoD/JSOC, DNI and Geospatial components and you have a molotov cocktail ready to be lit and thrown. This is all by design, of course, because no one wants a strong intelligence community (unless it all belongs to one of them!). The question is: Is there another head in the intelligence community that will have to be lopped to continue the coverup? Say the DNI? RNI? CIA/Ops?
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Since when did the Democrats ever care about extramarital affairs?
Surely you remember the incredible uproar over Bill Clinton's affair with Lewinsky, and Jennifer Flowers, and Paula Whatshername.
Oh wait...
Crickets...
Yeah, those Dems are certainly consistent when it comes to morality, huh?
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The communists don't have to be consistent.
Most of the electorate are to stupid to remember anything past the last episode of "Dancing with the stars".
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Not the first casualty.
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-868910 (http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-868910)
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Rastus, I stand corrected. Thanks for reminding me.
Unfortunately Petraeus was being courted by Republicans to consider running in 2016. Obama killed two birds with one stone there: neutralizing a rival to Democrats and a testifier before Congress. Good question if he can be invited to testify in classified session before Congress. He is fully covered under NDA's for life. If the Army wants to reinstate him to try disciplinary action against him and reinstates his security clearances ( at least some) in the process? Nah, SecDef won't let that happen. Too late for him to be a Deep Throat. It is clear to all the others that Obama will go to any length to keep from being impeached, ANY LENGTH! He's probably got something on every player by now. The only way this breaks open is if Petraeus falls completely on his sword and goes public in defiance of all laws and POTUS. Don't count that out!
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rep-trey-gowdy-either-petraeus-will-testify-voluntarily-over-benghazi-or-we-will-subpoena-him/
Rep. Trey Gowdy: Either Petraeus Will Testify Voluntarily Over Benghazi or We Will Subpoena Him
Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) on Friday vowed to subpoena outgoing CIA Director Gen. David Petraeus if he won’t testify voluntarily about the Sept. 11 attacks in Benghazi, Libya.
Gowdy said that while he regretted the “personal ramifications” of Petraeus’ sudden resignation over an extramarital affair, it would not stop Congress from hearing from him about the assault on the consulate that left four Americans dead.
“The fact that he’s resigned and had an affair has nothing to do with whether or not he’s gonna be subpoenaed to Congress,” Gowdy said on Fox News’ “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.” “I hope we don’t have to subpoena a four-star general and the former CIA director, I hope he would come voluntarily, but if he won’t he will be subpoenaed and none of what has happened today is a defense to a subpoena.”
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Where is the loss of his clearance coming from? Yes, the affair shows poor judgement and can be used to blackmail him but is nt an automatic disqualifier. If the cables in question are not Compartmentalized he would technically still be eligible for Secret and TS.
Supposedly the affair has been going on for a while and the FBI was investigating him for a couple months, before Bengahzi.
Ham we know why, but CSG3 info hasn't officially been released so I'd hold off saying he was a casualty. Unfortunately lately Navy Skippers and other senior leaders have been getting caught more and more being stupid/drunk while on deployment
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Where is the loss of his clearance coming from? Yes, the affair shows poor judgement and can be used to blackmail him but is nt an automatic disqualifier. If the cables in question are not Compartmentalized he would technically still be eligible for Secret and TS.
Supposedly the affair has been going on for a while and the FBI was investigating him for a couple months, before Bengahzi.
Ham we know why, but CSG3 info hasn't officially been released so I'd hold off saying he was a casualty. Unfortunately lately Navy Skippers and other senior leaders have been getting caught more and more being stupid/drunk while on deployment
With an administration that hates the US military one has to ask "how valid are these allegations"
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With an administration that hates the US military one has to ask "how valid are these allegations"
I'm just putting it out there. Do I think he probably told State and SECDEF to F off, probably, but the allegations haven't been released so given the other O6s getting caught doing stupid $h!t lately it isn't surprising.
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I'm just putting it out there. Do I think he probably told State and SECDEF to F off, probably, but the allegations haven't been released so given the other O6s getting caught doing stupid $h!t lately it isn't surprising.
But were the O6's actually doing stupid shit or were they just accused and told resign or we'll court martial you and send you to prison ?
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One other thing to remember about ADM Gaoutte is that ANYTHING leaving the Gulf to Libya would have to get permission for overflight authorization from Iraq and Israel at least. That takes hours and even the most cavalier officer would know that his units would get on station after the fact. The CSG in the Med would be closer and wouldn't need permission from anybody outside our chain of command. Would really suck to send a rescue force to get them shot down by the Israelis.
But were the O6's actually doing stupid shit or were they just accused and told resign or we'll court martial you and send you to prison ?
Multiple instances of abuse to junior officers, hazing, and drunk and disorderly reported by multiple crewmembers.One CO point her pistol at Es during a security drill. Another CO got so drunk during a port visit to Vlad he had to be brought to the pier by the police. Yeah, they were actually doing stupid shit.
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Everything we're seeing here is straight out of the KGB 101 "How To" handbook..
I see a purge going on.
I think Petraeus went to Benghazi, got pissed off at what he saw, and became a loose cannon to the Administration at that point..
He didn't get to finish his report, per the news.. I think he either did, or told the wrong person what he was gonna say in it..
I think all of what we're seeing is so basic to what we all know is happening. They've seized the television stations. Now they're eliminating the people of stature/useful idiots who compromised/went along, for honor or personal advancement.
I'm going with my lyin eyes here..
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Standard procedure in Petraeus' case is to debrief him of all clearances upon resignation. He resigns NDAs at that point. He can appeal to retain some clearances if he can show need for further employment AND it is acceptable to the U.S. Government. That's the kicker here: the U.S. Government must approve for him to retain any clearances. If, as we believe, he is being forced out so as not to testify before Congress of what he knows by virtue of his classified accesses, then the U.S. Government will not make the mistake of granting him any clearances. I believe this is controlled totally by the executive branch. He would have to go public and risk prosecution for defying any NDAs he may have signed. Congress might grant him immunity for his testimony, but violation of his NDAs is a Justice Department matter.
If the Petraeus affair becomes a national security issue, like some are really trying to make it, then all bets are off regarding his testimony. He could be indicted and tried in the court of public opinion. I'd put him on suicide watch at that point (Adm Boorda comes to mind).
As for Admiral G, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead gets you torpedoed in this administration. Every Democrat President wants to be Truman vs MacArthur to demonstrate civilian authority over the military, it's in their jeans (pun intended).
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Standard procedure in Petraeus' case is to debrief him of all clearances upon resignation. He resigns NDAs at that point. He can appeal to retain some clearances if he can show need for further employment AND it is acceptable to the U.S. Government. That's the kicker here: the U.S. Government must approve for him to retain any clearances. If, as we believe, he is being forced out so as not to testify before Congress of what he knows by virtue of his classified accesses, then the U.S. Government will not make the mistake of granting him any clearances. I believe this is controlled totally by the executive branch. He would have to go public and risk prosecution for defying any NDAs he may have signed. Congress might grant him immunity for his testimony, but violation of his NDAs is a Justice Department matter.
If the Petraeus affair becomes a national security issue, like some are really trying to make it, then all bets are off regarding his testimony. He could be indicted and tried in the court of public opinion. I'd put him on suicide watch at that point (Adm Boorda comes to mind).
As for Admiral G, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead gets you torpedoed in this administration. Every Democrat President wants to be Truman vs MacArthur to demonstrate civilian authority over the military, it's in their jeans (pun intended).
i think it is safe to say that the executive branch is looking to keep tow on Patraeus so he CANNOT speak out. Obama would rather scuttle him then create a rogue boomer. Too bad, however, because what Obama has done is expose his positions so our fast attack's can handle it and make way for the fleet to enter harbor and start pathfinding for the landing parties.
Hey you started the naval speak... ;D
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Petraeus' clearances and NDA's do not matter when he testifies before the intelligence committees.
They have clearance to hear anything he might say and NDA do not prevent him from testifying before the appropriate oversight committees whether he has immunity or not.
The Justice Dept has nothing to do with it .
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Tom, I disagree. #1, The intelligence committees do not have clearance for everything Petraeus might say. He had clearances that go beyond the intelligence committee purviews and into the armed services, international affairs and defense committees. The various committees jealously guard their purviews as do the executive branch departments that they oversee. Further, not all members of the committee are cleared for all the accesses; some of the accesses are restricted to the ranking two members on each side of the aisle and they jealously guard that! That is one reason why McCain has asked for a select committee to be formed to ferret out all issues before a committee that would be cleared to have all accesses and probably be limited to those ranking members who have all of the accesses. #2, If, as I said, he was debriefed from all clearances when he resigned, then those NDAs he signed do have standing. I mentioned he may be granted immunity for his testimony before the intelligence committees, divulging classified information to those committees or members for which they are not cleared is against the law. If the administration wants his ass, then they will not overlook that. And, #3, it's just fun watching the bastards squirm, but the establishment knows how to survive as they hide behind all their arcane rules and regulations. Bet Petraeus doesn't say much impugning POTUS' statements!
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He testified today.
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Rush had it pretty much nailed when he said, "Too many generals are taking orders from their privates."
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Indeed he did testify and he did say one thing that might bite Hussein's butt unless POTUS can come up with yet another fall guy or woman. So, POTUS heads to Myanmar to play goody two shoes with some tyrants and the media will cover that page 1 while the Libyan affair languishes, his SecState won't testify until 2 Dec, by which time the fiscal cliff will dominate the news. A whistleblower is badly needed here.
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One other thing to remember about ADM Gaoutte is that ANYTHING leaving the Gulf to Libya would have to get permission for overflight authorization from Iraq and Israel at least. ..
So nothing was in the Med? The Stennis group was in the Gulf?
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So nothing was in the Med? The Stennis group was in the Gulf?
Exactly, I highly doubt Gaoutte being relieved had anything to do with Libya. No matter what was happening in Libya, the CSG in the Gulf would not be included in any of the message traffic as a participant, if at all. He probably got caught banging his aide or got really druck in Dubai.
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Exactly, I highly doubt Gaoutte being relieved had anything to do with Libya. No matter what was happening in Libya, the CSG in the Gulf would not be included in any of the message traffic as a participant, if at all. He probably got caught banging his aide or got really druck in Dubai.
I'm sorry.. I just don't believe that. What we know about the timing of what transpired in those few minutes doesn't lend itself to some ordinary situation. I just don't believe it..
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I'm sorry.. I just don't believe that. What we know about the timing of what transpired in those few minutes doesn't lend itself to some ordinary situation. I just don't believe it..
That's fine, believe all the conspiracy theories you want. The reality is a CSG commander in the Gulf has more local and pressing matters to contend with than an attack on an embassy more than 500 miles away in another CSGs AOR. If the Bengahzi attack was just a precurser to an attack on other embassies and he sent all his assets out of theater he'd be caught with his pants down, probably literally.
Sitting on my desk right now is reports of four Skippers all fired for the same "poor leadership" in a single month. The Navy has fired 16 Skippers so far this year and a like number of XOs and CMCs, just being an Admiral does not make you imune to it. Before you all start screaming purge, those numbers have been relatively constant for at least a decade, they are just being reported out beyond the Navy now. Up until last year the Navy didn't report out on Chiefs being relieved, but since its becoming such an epidemic, the rules changed and MCPON wants them to feel shame.