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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on November 10, 2012, 07:36:02 PM
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Someone has started a petition to allow Louisiana to secede from the union. I like that. That would cause me to move back in a heartbeat.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-louisiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/1wrvtngl
No kiddin'. On the Whitehouse.gov website. It's a chance to at least embarrass them when they show up at work late Monday morning. 5,609 signatures so far. Need a few more.
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I can guarantee two votes and a paw print from my family...
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Also one up for Texas now to sign.
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I'm 5835...wifes asleep already..
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"A whitehouse.gov account is required to sign Petitions."
Is this a legitimate petition or just a place for potential trouble makers to register for their mental health treatment ?
Another thing to bear in mind is that even if it is legit only La voters need apply.
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We're Vets Tom, they already know where we are and that we probably don't support their agenda!
I signed it...let em come and find me...first trailer, second row with the unmowed, unraked, unkempt lawn... ;D
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While we still have a little free speech, or the illusion thereof, I'll not fear mouthing off a bit.
When the economy tanks and the "have-nots" who voted for him start rioting they'll crack down and that's a good time to not say anything. Let the sheep get slaughtered and realize the error of their ways.
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Looks like everyone is getting in on the act. Picked up 4k signatures for Louisiana overnight.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-filed-20-states-190210006.html
In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.
States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.
The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.
Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.
An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren't uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.
From the We the People site:
The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.
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The people who support these may be well intentioned but you don't ask for permission to leave.
They should be more focused on gaining support in the state , hand the Feds an accomplished fact and tell them to pound sand.
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Done deal for Texas!
"The petition to "Peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government," was submitted on Friday of last week. Just three days later, it zoomed past the 25,000 mark at 3:22 p.m. today and kept going."
(Quote is from ABCNEWS website frontpage, sorry but link will not copy and paste!)
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I fear that they'll start one for Florida. It'll take one signature before a unaimous bill from Congress will grant the request. Followed by "And STAY out". ;D
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I fear that they'll start one for Florida. It'll take one signature before a unaimous bill from Congress will grant the request. Followed by "And STAY out". ;D
You need to pay more attention to what you read.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-filed-20-states-190210006.html
States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/white-house-may-respond-texas-secession-petition-212328772--election.html;_ylt=Aq39.F6ApPWH0kjt5Mb0w5is0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNsbTRxZWNiBG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBGUARwa2cDYmE0MmJiODctMGFkNi0zZmM2LTg0YmYtY2JkZDI0ZmYyMjBhBHBvcwM1BHNlYwN0b3Bfc3RvcnkEdmVyA2IwNjhkYzMyLTJkMWMtMTFlMi05ZGYzLTNjZDkyYmZmMjAxNg--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
Looks like the Obama administration may have to respond to a petition seeking the green light for Texas to secede from the United States—one of 20 such requests filed on the official White House website since Election Day.
At the time of the writing of this post, the Texas secession petition had garnered 25,318 signatures—above the White House's self-imposed rules for requiring a reply.
(A "Recount the election!" petition filed Nov. 10 had 16,238 signatures. "Regulate Internet Pornography"? Not a big winner. It was filed Nov. 4 and had only 501 signatures.)
The White House may opt out of replying. Under its own rules, "To avoid the appearance of improper influence, the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government in its response to a petition."
Other secession petitions include requests for Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee, Michigan, Colorado, Oregon, New Jersey, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, North Carolina, Alabama and New York. (Spoiler alert: No, the White House won't approve secession.)
Here's the text of the Texas petition:
The U.S. continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the U.S. suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect its citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.
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In a way I wish Maryland would pick this up, however succession needs ally's with adjoining territory. Maryland would be an island alone.
And frankly we don't want DC thinking they have return rights. ;-)
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All they have to do is respond...nothing else...any response will do.
Since these petitions are unofficial in that they have no bearing on the will of a states citizens save those who signed them, the response need only be.
"We do not take any action on petitions pertaining to a state that are supported by such a low percentage of that state's population."
Might make us feel good to do it, and enjoy the thought of the administration seeing it...but they don't care and it won't accomplish much.
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As Solus has mentioned, a real feel good gesture. More than anything else, it is a way of identifying malcontents. Then perhaps a big of investigation, surveillance, and future psychiatric 'help'.
Just 'cause I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
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84,000+ now
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Go Texas
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Sending a petition to the White house is a waste of time on a State issue.
The proper place to address the issue is in the State legislature.
It really should not take a rocket scientist to figure that out, especially since it's been done before.
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Sending a petition to the White house is a waste of time on a State issue.
The proper place to address the issue is in the State legislature.
It really should not take a rocket scientist to figure that out, especially since it's been done before.
And gee, that worked out well.
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To true I just wanted to be on the list.And so did 84,000+ others.
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And gee, that worked out well.
The secession part worked fine, it was enforcing on the Feds that caused the war.
Are you really stupid enough to think asking "Obama may I ?" will lead to a different result ?
To true I just wanted to be on the list.And so did 84,000+ others.
That's the only logical reason I can see for petitioning Washington over a matter that has to be passed by the State legislature.
Or do you think the feds would say "hey Texas, we don't want the worlds 16th largest economy as part of our country any more" ?
Considering that they just reelected Obama I'm not surprised that people are dumb enough to go along with this, I'm just surprised there are so many ignorant people on this forum.
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I think Tom is right and the way to secede from the USA is through your state legislature and a referendum on your state's ballot. If the majority of the voters go for it, it's done. Not an easy thing to do overall. There will be consequences. So do we set up Obama to be Lincoln to preserve the union? But if, MD and VA secede, wither DC?
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Last night Hannity interviewed Daniel Miller, president of the Texas Nationalist Movement. The folks who are serious about this issue understand EXACTLY what is required for secession - both Constitutionally and legally. It's an interesting interview.
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Guys...each election this comes and each election the numbers grow. Has anyone thought that maybe this is just a fact finding poll of how their fellow statesmen feel?
Think about. This is merely paper to wake up the administration. But if Texas organizers finds they have the votes to get it passed in their legislature, I wouldn't be shocked if you see a campaign in the papers and on TV start for the next major vote.
This is a grass roots approach at democracy. Our "tea party" act sans the loss of leaves. Acts of defiance are becoming public now in the media. Soon there will be orators on the street corners and midnight meetings in the local churches.
"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams.
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Last I saw it was 20 states wanting to withdraw, as it should be . 8)
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/there-is-no-right-to-secede-see-the-letter-where-justice-scalia-shoots-down-idea-of-leaving-the-union/
And what did Justice Scalia say? Pretty much that not only could Maine not secede (ironically enough, Maine is one of the three states that has no secession petition on the White House website), but the question is so firmly settled that it could not even get a hearing before the Supreme Court, because the United States government would refuse to entertain it:
I am afraid I cannot be of much help with your problem, principally because I cannot imagine that such a question could ever reach the Supreme Court. To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, “one Nation, indivisible.”) Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/heres-why-glenn-beck-says-to-stop-all-those-secession-petitions-are-you-out-of-your-mind/
Glenn Beck responded to the wave of post-election secession petitions (which have now hit all 50 states) during both his radio and television programs Tuesday, relaying a simple message to his audience: taking part isn’t smart.
“Now how do you think that’s going to work out?” Beck asked on his radio show. “I mean, how dumb do you have to be? Really? You’re putting your name on a list that goes directly to the White House, and you’re putting your name on a list and saying, ‘yeah I think we should secede, I think there should be a Civil War.’”
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....."It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams.
It is actually advocation....and no one I know of is shallow enough to believe it is an actual step to secession.
Bosnia may have been a civil war; what happened in North America in the 1860's was not a civil war but a war between two separate nations. The war in Bosnia is particulary loathsome in the extreme suffering of civilians....any future conflict that would happen here would be more like a civil war among citizens and less like a War Between The States...it would be particularly horrible for inner city dwellers who must have the very fragile water, food, power and sewer services to make such a place livable. If such a thing ever happens in North America it would be an extreme tragedy.
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What Rastus said about the war between the states not being a "Civil war" is generally true, but overlooks events in Kansas and Missouri .
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When they tried to stand down many were murdered for their support of the Confederacy....lot of animosity still in the region towards that. A couple of friends from Missouri still harbor hard feelings passed down from their families.
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It is actually advocation....and no one I know of is shallow enough to believe it is an actual step to secession.
Bosnia may have been a civil war; what happened in North America in the 1860's was not a civil war but a war between two separate nations. The war in Bosnia is particulary loathsome in the extreme suffering of civilians....any future conflict that would happen here would be more like a civil war among citizens and less like a War Between The States...it would be particularly horrible for inner city dwellers who must have the very fragile water, food, power and sewer services to make such a place livable. If such a thing ever happens in North America it would be an extreme tragedy.
Are you kidding me? That might have been true in the 1860s when most people lived and died within a hundred miles of where they were born. But now? Look at states like NC., Va., Fl., NH., where you have a huge percentage of out of staters moving in. Do you think they'll flock to the state flag or flock to the Union? Tom is right. It will be neighbor against neighbor, just like Kansas or Bosnia.
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FQ is on the right track, but it will be more complicated than that.
More like post WWI Germany.
Free Americans who can will head for the rural areas where the majority are like minded while the sheep will flock to the urban area's for govt security and maintenance. but few if any cities will be "secure" as there will be gangs, militias, deathsquads, and "peacekeepers" from all factions fighting interchangeably in the streets and alley's.