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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on November 22, 2012, 04:29:45 PM
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..... and/or tin-foil-hattery?
Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants
A Senate proposal touted as protecting Americans' e-mail privacy has been quietly rewritten, giving government agencies more surveillance power than they possess under current law, CNET has learned.
Patrick Leahy, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has dramatically reshaped his legislation in response to law enforcement concerns, according to three individuals who have been negotiating with Leahy's staff over the changes. A vote on his bill, which now authorizes warrantless access to Americans' e-mail, is scheduled for next week.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57552225-38/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants/
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So what ?
It just formalizes and simplifies a process that has been going on since at least the 40's.
NSA collects all electronic emissions from the planet.
The law says however that they are not allowed to monitor the communications i the US.
But, several NSA listening posts, and all their collection is shared with the British GCHQ who are forbidden to monitor British communications, but not American.
Only a fool thinks they have any sort of communications privacy.
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So what ?
It just formalizes and simplifies a process that has been going on since at least the 40's.
NSA collects all electronic emissions from the planet.
The law says however that they are not allowed to monitor the communications i the US.
But, several NSA listening posts, and all their collection is shared with the British GCHQ who are forbidden to monitor British communications, but not American.
Only a fool thinks they have any sort of communications privacy.
I agree, nothing really unknown here, I was just humored by the flip-flop in the writing of the bill itself and what Leahy said about privacy.
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Besides, legally there is no expectation of privacy with anything on the internet, including email.
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Besides, legally there is no expectation of privacy with anything on the internet, including email.
Yes, no expectation of privacy....... we all know we shouldn't put anything in cyberspace that we don't want known.......
But should there be an expectation of privacy?
What makes a letter in an email any less private than a USPS letter or a hand-delivered letter in my briefcase?
Not disagreeing with anyone here.
What's next?
Opening of snail mail? (and yes, I know that's probably already done in the name of homeland security)
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No, Snail Mail is NOT opened . It takes a court order to record the information on the outside of the envelope.
The reason is because of the sh!t storm the CIA got it's self into .
Since then even suggesting opening some ones mail has been on par with farting in church .
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There are many areas of the internet that are public, however we should be able to expect privacy when it comes to email and remote links between our personal computers and business computers. It doesn't matter that hackers can access us, the government should not be able to do so with out a warrant.
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No, Snail Mail is NOT opened . It takes a court order to record the information on the outside of the envelope.
The reason is because of the sh!t storm the CIA got it's self into .
Since then even suggesting opening some ones mail has been on par with farting in church .
Maybe not now.....but how far away may it be....... based on trends, товарищ? ;D
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Maybe not now.....but how far away may it be....... based on trends, товарищ? ;D
Probably be the very last freedom to go .
When was the last time you used snail mail for actual communication ?
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Probably be the very last freedom to go .
When was the last time you used snail mail for actual communication ?
Heck, I get a ton of mail.....but I seldom mail anything...... the occasional card...... or pound cake from time to time. ;D ;D
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PGP
Pretty Good Privacy
Where pretty is an understatement.
As far as I know... PGP has not been cracked - but then again.. I don't run deep in those circles, but I have a friend that is the network admin for an American airline and uses it religiously, who also turned me on to PGP.
He says it's good... that's god enough for me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy
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Good info to know about.
As far as I myself go, I have not put anything openly online or in an email that I would not be willing (even if reluctantly) to say in the open.
I have found that in life, I live and rest a lot easier when the only dirty laundry I have goes in the Kennmore. ;D ;) ;D
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Just for the record of follow-up.......
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/11/21/proposal-to-let-government-read-americans-emails-rescinded
Proposal to Let Feds Snoop on Emails Dropped
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Do a wikipedia search for "magic lantern". That should lead you to "Room 641A", or
Msybe even " Echelon"
There was an operation in the 60's or 70's where snail mail was intercepted by the CIA.
I've always wondered about the bar code on the outside of an envelope. What a great way to track who is getting mail from whoever/wherever.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
One method of interception is to place equipment at locations where fiber optic communications are switched. For the Internet, much of the switching occurs at relatively few sites. There have been reports of one such intercept site, Room 641A, in the United States. In the past[when?] much Internet traffic was routed through the U.S. and the UK, but this has changed; for example, in 2000, 95% of intra-German Internet communications was routed via the DE-CIX Internet exchange point in Frankfurt.[6] A comprehensive worldwide surveillance network is possible only if clandestine intercept sites are installed in the territory of friendly nations, and/or if local authorities cooperate. The report to the European Parliament points out that interception of private communications by foreign intelligence services is not necessarily limited to the U.S. or British foreign intelligence services.[6]
Most reports on ECHELON focus on satellite interception; testimony before the European Parliament indicated that separate but similar UK-US systems are in place to monitor communication through undersea cables, microwave transmissions and other lines.
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I've always wondered about the bar code on the outside of an envelope. What a great way to track who is getting mail from whoever/wherever.
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The bar code sticker is placed on the top envelope of a bundle of mail being delivered to a single zip code.