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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on November 26, 2012, 06:01:05 AM
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http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/)
Who is more honest? Pravda or the US media? Pravda or NYT? Pravda or your own local editorial page?
Read a portion from the link above:
Putin in 2009 outlined his strategy for economic success. Alas, poor Obama did the opposite but nevertheless was re-elected. Bye, bye Miss American Pie. The Communists have won in America with Obama but failed miserably in Russia with Zyuganov who only received 17% of the vote. Vladimir Putin was re-elected as President keeping the NWO order out of Russia while America continues to repeat the Soviet mistake.
After Obama was elected in his first term as president the then Prime Minister of Russia, Vladimir Putin gave a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland in January of 2009. Ignored by the West as usual, Putin gave insightful and helpful advice to help the world economy and saying the world should avoid the Soviet mistake.
Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them. He gives speeches of peace and love in the world while he promotes wars as he did in Egypt, Libya and Syria. He plans his next war is with Iran as he fires or demotes his generals who get in the way.
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The Media in the U.S. is just there to keep you entertained between the important product presentations.
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I think re agents are more honest then reporters... That should tell you alot about what I think of them
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Real Estate agents TAB? What have we sunk to?
I would rather read Pravda then watch NBC, CBS, ABC,or CNN. Just something about traitorous countrymen that bugs me.....at least Pravda's underlying agenda isn't to our detriment by our own countrymen.
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I sense a disturbing trend here. We'd rather go to someone else's house than clean up our own. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Russians do not mean us well. They mean to tear us down which improves their chances of improving their own lot. Obama is one of Russia's tools to achieve that. Dezinformatzie is their method. They work it long, hard and well. We should be at least as skeptical about Pravda as we are about U.S. media, maybe more so. Same thing with Hsinhua.
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The thing about Pravda and Shinhua is that they are aimed at deceiving their own populations about things in their own countries, They have less incentive to lie about American things that effect Americans.
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So if Pravda and Hsinhua lie only half of the time, we should believe them the rest of the time? IMHO, the lies to their own populace create a picture of their country from which they can better leverage U.S. public opinion and undermine U.S. government influence in their region. All they need then is a fifth column in the U.S. to complement their lies and disinformation efforts. Sympathizers, see any lately?
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5th column ?
They've had that since the 1920's .
The fact that both China and Putin have been saying the US needs to adapt more capitalistic principles for at least 4 years shoots down the rest of your theory.
China especially needs a stable prosperous US economy to maintain their own economy.
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JrLobo no one said to have implicit trust in Pravda or that they were not being manipulative.
However, parts of the cited article in Pravada are more truthful than our media and yes, the US Communist party actually said this was a win for them. The Pravada article demonstrably highlights the similarities between the lies of Pravada and the lies of the US media. Both have an agenda, both promulgate propaganda and each could give a damn less about truth and the American Way.
Futher in the article, which you'll have to go to the link to read, it highlights the actions of the "useful idiots" that supported Lenin and Stalin and how BHO has his "useful idiots" as well.
Now, would Russia like to see us divided by incorporating unamerican ideals and slip down in influence and power? Of course.
Does the US new media think we should reduce our influence and power by incorporating unamerican ideals? It's a stated goal.
A little truth mixed with a lie is a potent thing...especially to "useful idiots" who are undereducated, illiterate or just plane fat dumb and happy. Pravda is a master at mixing truth with a lie...so are the US media outlets.
As far as cleaning up our house....what effective measures are you suggestting and what actions have you been taking? I've been donating money and time to local and national candidates. I attend town hall meetings and intellectually challenge officials and as well as point out their "inconsistencies" as a cover for lying. This machine which is steamrolling over us is well financed, well loved and well organized by both of the major parties....but especially the dems and especially here those repubs who are repubs in name only so they can deceive the voting populace with the repub tag.
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Actually Pravda is far more reliable than US media.
The distortion in Pravda is generally to promote Putin, as for the "propaganda" aspects they've been there, done that, for 75 years and rejected it's failure . Meanwhile the US is struggling to achieve the system that failed the Russians.
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A good deception is 95-99% truth coloring the remainder as truth as well. If the 95-99% is verifiable, then the little that is the real lie can be too easily assumed to be truth. That is just what they want. What better to say than "we want the U.S. to succeed" when they really want us to fail AND they are trying to make this happen every day. They manipulate money, make us reliant on them to maintain our lifestyle, buy up our debt, land and businesses and all that is "property". I am not arguing for swallowing what garbage our media propels in our direction. I am only saying I will never look to Pravda and Hsinhua for truth. No news organ operates in either Russia and China without some measure of cooperation from their respective governments.
As for what I do to change things in this country: I constantly challenge the news media (usually WaPo) here by commenting on their articles. I challenge this state's U.S. Senators and Representatives via email and letter. I contribute to organizations (like the NRA) to combat suppression of our freedoms. Although I no longer have any representatives at the fed level to contribute to, I do so for local and state pols. Nothing much seems to stick in this state.
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Note that this current Pravda has no connection to the historical Pravda except for it's name and that it is a Russian publication.
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Actually Pravda is far more reliable than US media.
The distortion in Pravda is generally to promote Putin, as for the "propaganda" aspects they've been there, done that, for 75 years and rejected it's failure . Meanwhile the US is struggling to achieve the system that failed the Russians.
You know Pravda's article on the prediction about the US breaking up into pieces may well come true if the demcruds divisive tactics aren't reeled in soon. The democrats will hit a tipping point with their class warfare crap and start a civil war by provoking the democrat's useful idiots into initiatiing attacks on productive and patriotic citizens that support traditional American values....not that it isn't already happening with the poll intimidation that went on across the US.
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From "Russia Today"..
How much of this did you sear on Fox this week?..