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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: RTFM on November 27, 2012, 06:49:38 PM
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Ok here is the progression.
Had a SIG P229 - .40 - not so pretty good, but kept it because IT WAS A SIG.... then it got heavy.... daily wear had me walking in slightly right circles if I wasn't paying attention.
Sold it for a GLOCK 17 . Gen 2 - Mama Mia what a dream to shoot.... I was not a GLOCK fan boy before - but after the Gen 2 I am now... just not rabid and do realize not all guns fit or are right for all people.... but I loved that GLOCK 17 Gen 2... unfortunately it and the Gen 2 - 26 bot had to go when I was out of work to keep the lights on.... it happens, I was sorry to see them go.
I got over the hump and am missing them a little less.... *sniff*
Lovely wife bought me a S&W 642 with a CT laser grip and I'll cut both my arms off before I ever sell this gun - it fits... I shoot it well (well enough for a 2" barrel that is)
Finally got enough $$$ to purchase a new Plastic... er polymer "wonder 9" and here is where the story goes wonkie.
GLOCK Gen 2 and 4 have finger groves - my hands and fingers are large... when I grip a Gen 3 or 4 my fingers hit the tops of the grip not the shallows for your fingers.
I could not find a Gen 2 (or 1) and at the time, I did not know about Robar and how he/they can remove the finger "lumps" to make a smooth grip.
I liked the Kahr 9's but I already have a 5 shooter... what was one more 9mm round... I wanted 10- 17 + rounds.
Do not like Springfield Armory (long story)
S&W - not a fan of the M&P line - did try the feel of them... but no thank you.
Settled (I I think that is the word. Settled) on a Ruger SR9c - nice gun. Shoots well - I could even see my self keeping it - except for that ONE THING that has cropped up... it don't fit.
I do like the external safety THAT to me is a plus - I don't care one way or the other about the mag disconnect - and the brass in the tube but no clue if the brass is loaded indicator ... we all need personal flags on our firearms.... I don't notice it at all while shooting - so what ever.
I'll try to paint the picture Right had is strong hand - I grab the pistol and the "front strap and back strap" fit fine on my hand, the right side of the magazine well (if it was a 1911 the right grip panel area) does not contact my right palm - you could fit a #2 pencil between my palm and the pistol.
HOW I did not feel/notice that at the time of purchase.... I don't know. But I notice it NOW and the more I notice it the more prevalent it gets.
I need to be conscious of my grip and need to put my grip strength fore and aft - all most pull back with my fingers directly in to my palm -
The pistol rolls up and right - if I were to grip it like my old GLOCK - or grip it like a baseball (my usual grip)
So I am training my self to pull directly back with my fingers - I don't like this grip... if I'm ever under stress... you know damn well I'll go to what I know and grip it like a ball twisting it up and away from my intended sight line.
A suggestion from a gun store owner would be to add a Hogue HAND ALL to it... but they do not look like they would fill in the palm area - and that's what I want, more width.
Maybe I just need to go out on the gun hunt again - but I'm open to suggestions about what I may do or add to fill the void, as It don't fit!
(Thanks for reading my book)
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Talon grips? Trim to fit the swell of your palm?
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Get a Glock and grind off the finger swells if they don't fit your hand.
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Yah Tom - that's all I can think about... but I really DO like the SR9c it just has that hole that needs filling in my plam..
Do the Talon grips add any width? Same question about the Hogue's? Is there anything that adds side to side width?
(NO! I will NOT wrap a sock around it with duct tape... No sir I will NOT!)
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I've seen target pistols that had the grips altered to a custom fit by adding epoxy. But you'd never be able to sell it.
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I had the same problem & ground off the finger grips on my G23 and put on a Houge Handall grip on it.
Now the finger grooves are where I want them.
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The talon grips are essentially stickyback grip tape. By building it up in layers where you need it you gain the size you want. Not sure if this will work well for you or not. I would agree with others here and lean towards modifying the glock grip. I hate to make any permanent modifications to my defensive guns that can't be reversed but I don't know that I could trust multiple layers of the talons for a defensive situation either.
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Hear you on the grip fit issue. I got a G17 Gen 1 as my first pistol and liked it but it just does not point naturally for me or my son. The SR9 does point naturally for us and since then I picked up a SR9c since it shares mags. (Seemed like a great
excuse rationale to buy it at the time!)
I put a hogue grip on my G17 to try and get a better fit and it did help a lot but I still have to think about my grip to get good results. Not fun like shooting my 1911 or SR9. Your description of the feeling for the SR9c for you sounds like me and the G17 so I would say give the grip sleeve a shot as it is all of $10.
Have you tried the SR9 as it is more comparable in size to the G17? I find the full sized grip a little bit more hand filling than the compact grip on the SR9c. Also have you tried the full sized SR9 mag with the extension sleeve on the SR9c? I bought a couple to try and they work pretty well (except that my CA short mags are plastic at the bottom and the sleeve is a little loose on the plastic). I have found that the finger lip mag floor plate is the best fit for me on the smaller gun.
Personally I like modifying my guns to suit as long as it does not involve mutilation, so I say try stuff.
joe
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Hi Joe - thanks.
Yes I do use the 17 round also - to the same effect- still "bow legged" in the palm area on the SR9c.
I think I will try one or two of the grip sleeves to see if they take up any room
And I'll get me a replacement GLOCK 17 and 26 or maybe a 20 and 29... or maybe all damn 4 of them and start a harem.
Gen 1's or 2's though - thank you very much.
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I used my moto tool and ground down the humps on my G19. Just work a little at a time until you have a custom fit. It took me about ten minutes and the gun fits my hands perfect.
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Yah problem is the GLOCK's have been gone for 2 years give or take... my problem is with the SR9c I presently own - it does not have finger groves... just a narrow width grip.
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Try a Taurus 24/7 G2 in 9mm it comes with interchangable back straps, You might be pleasantly surprised.
Mike Mc
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Front to back on the SR9c is fine... the left to right is the issue - but will take a feel when I can find one.
If I recall high on the list was the Walther PPQ or PPS - though the S is only what 7 rounds.... hell then I'd just get another 6 shot revolver and be done with it as I can get better fitting grips (or more to MY liking) on a revolver in the first place.
BAH it's a hell of a racket this hobby of ours.
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Last night I changed the grip backstrap on my SA XDS. On the XD forum a majority have stated that they're more accurate with the smaller backstrap (the gun comes with the larger backstrap).
It's a little counter-intuitive on such a small gun, but the larger piece has more of a hump than a full width increase, and it may actually make a difference.
I'm going to find out on my first range trip this weekend.
I know one gun that has a pretty large grip. The Sig P2022 comes with two slip-on grips, and the second one is pretty damn fat. If you know someone with that gun you might try it.
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jaybet - I just happened to grab a stack of older Guns and Ammo magazines to leave in the
bathroom library and there was a decent article on the 2022... it may be a good fit I was thinking also - that or the SIG P250 -
Last SIG I had was a P229 in .40 but sold/traded it for the G17 Gen 2 ..... so early 90's was the last time I owned a SIG.
Yah - that's on the list now too.
As a side note, I put blood doner (http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/NATekk/Tekk/Product-Catalog/?N=4294657894+6100741&rt=rud) (< < < Click link) grip tape around the "U" shape on the upper part of the grip - the area where the upper part of my strong hand wraps around the pistol.
If nothing else my attention is off the empty space of the palm area - and is aware of the added grip where my hand is actually touching the grip -
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Look around online. You can pick up a P2022 in either 9mm or 40 for well under 400 bucks NEW. I've got a 9mm with about 7000 rounds through it and it's a peach.
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The only other thought on changing the grip on teh SR9c is try to build up the side areas with grip tape and then cover the while area with a thin rubber grip band (one with no finger grooves) to keep it secure. Seems like a lot of fooling around. It might be easier to have some plastic insert installed in your palm to take up the space... I am sure you could get medical coverage to pay for it :)
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HK P30
Replaceable back strap and lateral panels.
All yours for the low low introductory price of $1,100
(http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/p30/lg_P30_3.jpg)
I don't know of a single HK dealer any where near me, and to tell the truth I hear horror stories of how HK ignores the civilian market.
But still.... the replaceable lateral panels were what I was looking for in my original post.
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You might give one of these products a try. Considerably cheaper than a K&K P30 (which has a horrendous stock DA trigger).
http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=114 (http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=114)
(http://www.hoguestore.com/bmz_cache/d/d9df4df823e23e9a289bd2e8df61d6a0.image.300x225.jpg)
http://www.pachmayr.com/home/tactical-grip-gloves (http://www.pachmayr.com/home/tactical-grip-gloves)
(http://www.pachmayr.com/home/includes/img/pachmayr/GripGlovesLg.JPG)
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If you buy the HK check to see if there is an RFID chip in the grip.
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Really? REally? H&K??? Do we have a raspberries smiley? H&K has never done anything for folks like us. Screw them and their high dollar tupperware.
The P2022 is a great gun for cheap as h-double-hockey-sticks. Or some of these other ones, but I don't think at this point I would even own a H&K unless someone gave it to me.
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Really.
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/75748-hk-p2000-rfid-tracking-chip.html
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message922549/pg2
http://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-422550.html
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No, really Tom. I just meant I can't believe he's thinking of H&K, even if you put aside the "Scanner Chip".
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No No Nooooo not thinking of H&K - just found the P30 with the replaceable lateral panels and that was what I was initially trying to describe.
As far as owning any H&K - most likely never in my lifetime....