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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: TexGun on December 02, 2012, 09:11:27 PM
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As a part of his commentary during halftime of the Cowboys/Eagles game, Bob Costas chose to quote from an article written by a Kansas City sports writer who wrote an article about the murder suicide that took place involving a Chiefs player and his girlfriend this weekend.
To paraphrase...If it wasn't for our current gun culture that player would not have killed his girlfriend and then himself. If handguns weren't readily available fewer people would be killed when arguments escalate.
Thanks Bob! Way to responsibly use your national sport pulpit to spread the ignorance around!!!
Rant off...
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Is Bob Costas still alive ?
I thought he did 10 or 20 years ago.
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Is Bob Costas still alive ?
I thought he did 10 or 20 years ago.
Nope that was just his career. :P
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This isn't his first anti-gun rant. He is trying to be the next Howard Cosell with his deep thinking ramblings. Sadly he forgets that he is an idiot.
I heard about this and am hoping it will show up on youtube so I can see it. Normally I would have had it on, but for strange reasons we are down to one TV and it is on Food Sunday evenings.
By the way, can Costas prove that had guns not been available that it wouldn't have been a knife, bat, rope, car, extension cord ...
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This isn't his first anti-gun rant. He is trying to be the next Howard Cosell with his deep thinking ramblings. Sadly he forgets that he is an idiot.
I heard about this and am hoping it will show up on youtube so I can see it. Normally I would have had it on, but for strange reasons we are down to one TV and it is on Food Sunday evenings.
By the way, can Costas prove that had guns not been available that it wouldn't have been a knife, bat, rope, car, extension cord ...
Good question. Lets test it. I say we put Bob and say, Michael Vick in a room with a rope, a knife, a gun and a baseball bat and play a tape of Costas calling Vick the N-word. We'll see which implement gets used. ;D
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FQ,
With your list Costas will be dead. However, according to Costas if you leave the gun out of the mix nothing will happen. Sure, maybe Vick will scream until he has a stroke, but Bobby Boy will be just hunky dorey.
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Replace the gun with a pit bull.
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Saw it and was really ticked. If an NFL linebacker wants his girlfriend dead he doesn't need a gun. What an opinionated POS.
We really should be blasting the NFL Network with emails, but I don't know how to reach them.
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Costas works for NBC.
You could try that route but it would be like banging your head against the wall and just as productive.
MB's blog has a link to the original asshat that wrote the drivel that Costas was parroting.
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Replace the gun with a pit bull.
Now there's a pleasant image! ;D
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I am afraid....we need to keep the "Rant On"...... from now on in one form or another...
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Costas reminds me of when we were in school. Every now and then a teacher would wind up with a classroom full of idiots he or she couldn't do anything with. They can't fail everyone, so they grade on a Bell Curve. Then, the lesser idiot gets a B+. That doesn't mean they're an above average student. It just means they're an above average idiot. The grey matter in their skull is still dormant. Costas was that student.
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The sad thing is not that there are so many idiots in the world, it's that they don't know their idiots.
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What does Costas say about the guy who stabbed dads GF to death with a knife, drove to dads classroom and shot him in the head with a "high powered bow and arrow" and then committed suicide with a knife?
Knives and "high powered bows and arrows" should be outlawed too? How 'bout the car he drove to dads class with? Do you outlaw the arrow or the bow? Did the egg come before the chicken?
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The sad thing is not that there are so many idiots in the world, it's that they don't know their idiots.
Very true. The last election proved that better than anything.
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How about we just ban murder ?
Oh yeah, We already did that.
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I was at the Chiefs game yesterday when I got a text about Whitlock's idiot rant. After the 3+ hour drive home I had managed to forget about the idiot's column. I got to turn on the game at halftime when I got home just in time to see Costas' repeated drivel. What a weekend. A coward and a monster commits his crime and, again, anti's use the tragedy to pontificate and confuse the issue. Ridiculous. At least the Chiefs didn't glorify belcher in any way. Just a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence.
Terrible tragedy. I wish the monsters who commit murder/suicide would START withe the suicide part!
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Replace the gun with a pit bull.
Vick seems like he might be a "hands-on" kind of guy.
Results might be the same if nothing but the two of them were in the room.
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This isn't his first anti-gun rant. He is trying to be the next Howard Cosell with his deep thinking ramblings. Sadly he forgets that he is an idiot.
I heard about this and am hoping it will show up on youtube so I can see it. Normally I would have had it on, but for strange reasons we are down to one TV and it is on Food Sunday evenings.
By the way, can Costas prove that had guns not been available that it wouldn't have been a knife, bat, rope, car, extension cord ...
There are two words that make me believe an NFL player doesn't need a gun to kill his significant other. Those two words? Nicole Simpson.
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This isn't his first anti-gun rant. He is trying to be the next Howard Cosell with his deep thinking ramblings. Sadly he forgets that he is an idiot.
I heard about this and am hoping it will show up on youtube so I can see it. Normally I would have had it on, but for strange reasons we are down to one TV and it is on Food Sunday evenings.
By the way, can Costas prove that had guns not been available that it wouldn't have been a knife, bat, rope, car, extension cord ...
BTW, here ya go....................
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It was bad enough in print, but the verbal drama doubles it >:(
By the way, shouldn't NBC expect a little originality for their multi-million dollar contract with this talking head.
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As jaybet suggests, bombarding the NFL with emails might be more effective than doing the same to NBC. It's the NFL image that is being tarnished by the likes of Bob Costas. Bob's political commentary has no place in a broadcast that is licensed and paid for by the NFL. Bob has a personal right to say what he did, but to do it on NFL paid time is not his right. If the NFL leans on him, then other broadcasters will get the message as well. If you want to rant to the NFL: go to NFL.com, scroll to bottom of the page, click on "contact us" and have at it.
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As jaybet suggests, bombarding the NFL with emails might be more effective than doing the same to NBC. It's the NFL image that is being tarnished by the likes of Bob Costas. Bob's political commentary has no place in a broadcast that is licensed and paid for by the NFL. Bob has a personal right to say what he did, but to do it on NFL paid time is not his right. If the NFL leans on him, then other broadcasters will get the message as well. If you want to rant to the NFL: go to NFL.com, scroll to bottom of the page, click on "contact us" and have at it.
Yeah right . ::)
Seen Hank Jr. on there lately ?
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Good point, Tom. So, do you think that silence brought Hank jr down? I don't.
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Good point, Tom. So, do you think that silence brought Hank jr down? I don't.
No .
What I think is that the NFL doesn't give a sh!t about your opinion, or my opinion.
They know that there are enough complacent, brain dead, sheep who will continue to keep their profits in the billions no matter what they do.
It's not like they're competing with something important like "Dancing with the Stars", or "2 1/2 Men".
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Tom,
The NFL is concerned about everything that happens on a broadcast of their product. Pressure on the NFL will not hurt.
Bombard the NFL and NBC with polite, short, educated, to the point communications concerning Mr. Costas' comments during an NBC broadcast of the NFL game.
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No .
What I think is that the NFL doesn't give a sh!t about your opinion, or my opinion.
They know that there are enough complacent, brain dead, sheep who will continue to keep their profits in the billions no matter what they do.
It's not like they're competing with something important like "Dancing with the Stars", or "2 1/2 Men".
Couple of days ago, I was going to make a post to some thread and would have posted something like.......
"Supporting unproductive members of society is fine as long as it is totally voluntary...like with entertainers and athletes."
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I was at the Chiefs game yesterday when I got a text about Whitlock's idiot rant. After the 3+ hour drive home I had managed to forget about the idiot's column. I got to turn on the game at halftime when I got home just in time to see Costas' repeated drivel. What a weekend. A coward and a monster commits his crime and, again, anti's use the tragedy to pontificate and confuse the issue. Ridiculous. At least the Chiefs didn't glorify belcher in any way. Just a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence.
Terrible tragedy. I wish the monsters who commit murder/suicide would START withe the suicide part!
Dyslexic suicide....... it'd be a start.
As jaybet suggests, bombarding the NFL with emails might be more effective than doing the same to NBC. It's the NFL image that is being tarnished by the likes of Bob Costas. Bob's political commentary has no place in a broadcast that is licensed and paid for by the NFL. Bob has a personal right to say what he did, but to do it on NFL paid time is not his right. If the NFL leans on him, then other broadcasters will get the message as well. If you want to rant to the NFL: go to NFL.com, scroll to bottom of the page, click on "contact us" and have at it.
The NFL would definitely be a better forum for emails and calls than NBC...since Costas was simply putting his personal touch on NBC's corporate views.
Also, send emails to the companies that advertise with NBC during the games........ The backlash heard from the gun culture on the Wounded Warrior flap a few weeks ago shows that we have the numbers to make a splash when we want to......we just have to all want to at the same time.
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Dyslexic suicide....... it'd be a start.
The NFL would definitely be a better forum for emails and calls than NBC...since Costas was simply putting his personal touch on NBC's corporate views.
Also, send emails to the companies that advertise with NBC during the games........ The backlash heard from the gun culture on the Wounded Warrior flap a few weeks ago shows that we have the numbers to make a splash when we want to......we just have to all want to at the same time.
We need to bombard both, because in the world of contracts between leagues and broadcasters Mr. Costas represents both. NBC has a phone number we can use, and the NFL only puts out an email address. Use them both!
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We need to bombard both, because in the world of contracts between leagues and broadcasters Mr. Costas represents both. NBC has a phone number we can use, and the NFL only puts out an email address. Use them both!
To use improper English....but decidedly proper southern: I done did. ;)
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So far I haven't found a legitimate email address that will get you to "the NFL" or Comm Godell. They are insulated from fan rants.
Fox news was reporting it today as a blunder, maybe they would set up a blog and then forward it.
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I dood to!
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Article from Fox News Website, but no place to follow up.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/03/truth-about-costas-belcher-and-guns/
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NBC has the NFL television contract. NBC is also as rabidly anti gun as a network can possibly be. The 2 are in bed together. No one involved in this, least of all Costas, is going to be disciplined. He is simply parroting the networks position, as well as his own. All either cares about is the dollars. And if in the process of earning millions of them, they can spout their liberal rhetoric, they will. This is nothing more than a giant, high paid circle jerk.
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The NFL League Office can be reached by snail mail at the following location:
National Football League
345 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10017
Phone: 1-(212) 450-2000
Fax: 1-(212) 681-7599
http://www.nfl.com/help/faq
http://www.nsga.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3352
One of the best comments I've read on FB:
Again this is what happens when "Celebrities" open their freakin' mouths......don't bother recognizing the domestic violence aspect, mental illness, or possible drug/steroidal abuse ..........so out of touch with American values and real life........to me gun control starts by cleaning up the streets so we law abiding citizens don't have to shoot you to protect ourselves......shut up and stick to what you know.... and READ the Constitution!!!!
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Costas comments epitomize acceptable social bigotry against guns
http://www.examiner.com/article/costas-comments-epitomize-acceptable-social-bigotry-against-guns?cid=db_articles
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Got this info from Rob Pincus on FB (thanks go out to him for the link to the FB page):
NBC switchboard 212-664-4444
nbcsportshelp@nbcuni.com
Roger Goodell's info.
(NFL commissioner)
email address:
Roger Goodell
Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net
Telephone: 1-212-450-2000
or
(212) 450-2027
(this one got through!!!)
Bob Varettoni
Executive Director, Media Relations
(908) 559-6388
robert.a.varettoni@verizon.com
The NBC FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/nbc?fref=ts
The Boycott SNF page:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/392699260807732/
Another article:
The truth about Costas, Belcher and guns
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To put it bluntly, criminals are not typical citizens. About 90 percent of adult murderers have an adult criminal record. They tend to have low IQs and long histories of social problems. Murders are also very heavily concentrated among minorities in urban areas. Over 70 percent of murders occur in about 3 percent of the counties in the US. Even if our country passed laws banning guns, most of these murderers are not the kind of people who are going to voluntarily turn in their weapons.
If women want to protect themselves, they should get a gun. The FBI’s National Crime Victimization Survey indicates that by far the safest course of action for women to take when they are confronted by a criminal is to have a gun.
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/03/truth-about-costas-belcher-and-guns/
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Just sent this to both email addresses:
"Dear Mr. Varettoni,
While watching the Eagles/Cowboys game last night I was insulted and aggravated by comments Bob Costas made regarding the unfortunate murder/suicide in Kansas City. This sad incident has many ramifications, NONE of them being gun control. Family issues and values, mental health, NFL player health, and steroid use come to mind as possible contributing factors to the man's inability to deal with the difficulties of life and responsibility. The real issue here is the family's circumstances, not what type of weapon was available. A linebacker in the NFL surely does not need a handgun to commit murder, due to his stature and level of strength. Costas ignored many, many important considerations and questions with regard to this incident to instead make a blatantly liberal political comment on national TV at an NFL game halftime.
Costas, dim bulb that he is, managed to pull one over on the NFL and use his position in broadcasting NFL programming to push a political agenda, That agenda disregards the real questions and concerns in this issue, deflects inquiry into career conditions that may have affected this young man, and is blatantly insulting cheap shot to a vast number of Americans who believe in and practice their Second Amendment rights.
NFL football is bigger than Bob Costas. It should abandon him for a more productive and salient agent."
THANKS FOR THE LINKS!
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The one to Goodell just got kicked back.
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http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=21151.new#new
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Oh, yeah, we are the KKK...but then, that's the liberal press Nazis calling us that, so how far does that go? Whitlock might lose his job too.
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The good news out of all that is that Philly has named Nick Foles as starter for the Eagles for the rest of the season. Michael Vick can recover at length from his career ending concussion and go back to dog fighting.
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The good news out of all that is that Philly has named Nick Foles as starter for the Eagles for the rest of the season. Michael Vick can recover at length from his career ending concussion and go back to dog fighting.
Amen!
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The first step in the back-pedal..... ::) ::)
NBC's Bob Costas' take on criticism of his gun comments
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2012/12/03/bob-costas-nbc-jovan-belcher-guns-jason-whitlock-second-amendment/1744067/
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The first step in the back-pedal..... ::) ::)
So, I can hunt, and carry them in "reasonably controlled circumstances"? Well, gee, thanks Massa. I is grateful and the rest of us slaves is too (FQ, pulling wool and scratching gravel).
What part of shall not be infringed do you fail to get you arrogant son of a bitch? Seriously? That's your take on the 2A? Best go to the nearest British consulate and apply to be a citizen (oh, wait, its being a subject over there) and get a job commentating on the latest Manchester United scores, as with you in charge we'd still be colonies, and you'll like the gun laws over there where only the state and criminals have them. Jeebus! I need a drink!
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Brady!!!
Sara wrote the comments that were read!
That is a stretch, but he uses all the key words and "vision" that the Brady Campaign uses. Don't worry, you can still hunt, I'm not against that, there is a Wild West attitude, ... The only departure he makes is that he throws in a controlled carry in certain situations.
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As soon as I hear, "The Gun Culture" and "Reasonable Gun Control", come out of the same mouth, I know from that point on listening any further is going to be a complete waste, regardless of who is saying it.
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I read the original article that Costas quoted. It rails not only about gun culture, but NFL football, commercialism, and the treatment and coddling of athletes. The guy wrote in anguish. Costas is the real bastard for taking part of that rant out of context to push his simple minded thoughts out on a national stage. He can't backpedal. He's been in this buisness a long time and you don't take an NFL half time and say something in a way that doesn't get your point across. He's a puss, and now he's trying to weasel out of it. What a POS.
Found some more email addresses on NJGunForums. greg.aiello@nfl.com, brian.mccarthy@nfl.com, michael.signora@nfl.com
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Found a post showing part of this article...Good stuff.
"From Fox journalist Jen Engel...
http://msn.foxsports...y-rights-120512
The burning embers of the Twin Towers had a way of being invoked when a particularly dicey part of the Patriot Act needed selling 11 years ago.
This was the smart play. Watering down constitutional rights is not easily undertaken. So scaring Americans and then using that fear to explain why this egregious assault on their rights is for their own good is genius. This is exactly why the right protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures of Americans is no longer absolute, thanks to the Patriot Act, and a right to a speedy and public trial by jury was only days ago finally reaffirmed in the Senate, with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) so eloquently arguing, “If we relinquish our rights because of fear, what is it exactly, then, we are fighting for?”
Yes, tragedy is a dangerous time for the Bill of Rights because somebody is always there to wave a flag or an orphaned baby and use that to explain why we need to voluntarily give up rights our Founding Fathers so wisely gave to us. And so it is with this Jovan Belcher tragedy.
The Kansas City Chiefs linebacker gunned down his girlfriend — the mother of his baby — and then killed himself, leaving a 3-month-old girl without parents. That this is a tragedy is inarguable. That this is some sort of referendum on the Second Amendment and our right to bear arms is absurd.
My esteemed colleague, Jason Whitlock, argued just that in a very thoughtful column, noting “What I believe is, if (Belcher) didn’t possess/own a gun, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.” NBC analyst Bob Costas used this as a jumping off point to proselytize during halftime of “Football Night in America” about perspective in sports and the dangers of guns.
The problem with intelligent, impassioned, well-reasoned arguments is how seductive they are. It is easier to blow off the crazy guy screaming “ban all guns” than journalists such as Whitlock or Costas who are arguing rather convincingly how the Second Amendment threatens our liberty rather than enhances it.
What I know for sure is the distinguished senator from Kentucky is right. And his impassioned defense of the Sixth Amendment on the Senate floor last week needs to be Googled and viewed by everybody calling for a gun ban in response to the Belcher tragedy.
“We have nothing to fear that should cause us to relinquish our rights as free men and women,” Paul said. “I urge my colleagues to reject fear, to reject the siren call for ever more powerful government.”
This is not simply about guns. This is about rights. It is a slippery slope from doing something in the interest of public safety to giving up what we hold dear. The slope is greased with fear, with a self-righteous belief that we know better than the framers of the Constitution. And it is all based on informal fallacy.
The idea that if we just ban all guns Kasandra Perkins does not die and a 3-month-old baby is not orphaned is the very essence of a stated premise that fails to support its proposed conclusion. Yes, guns are dangerous and people such as Belcher sometimes use them to do awful things. What I believe in my heart is Jovan Belcher was going to find a way to wreak havoc that day whether he had a gun or a knife or only his fists. And even the potential to stop him is not justification for willingly handing over rights guaranteed to us.
If this makes me a gun nut or a wing nut or a preachy PITA, I am OK with those labels. Although, I prefer Constitutionalist. There are not a lot of us left — not absolutists, at least.
Conservatives argue for limiting the right to a speedy trial because terrorists are dangerous. Liberals argue for taking away my right to bear arms because people like Belcher use them in unspeakably horrific ways. Hell, the mayor of New York wants to take away my right to buy a big cup of Coke while in his city because obesity has become such an epidemic. Where does it end? Taking away free speech, freedom of the press? Restricting our right to peaceably assemble? Whittling away our very liberty?
Liberty and democracy are not the same things. Democracy means the majority decides what rules govern us. Liberty is the idea that we all have certain rights that cannot be taken away, not even by a majority. These are the “inalienable rights” of the Declaration of Independence, and when we give them up voluntarily, for whatever reason no matter how altruistic, what we find is all we have done is given more rights to the government that were intended for us. Doing so makes us less safe, not more.
So I absolutely believe in “a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed” just as I do the right to a trial by jury and freedom of religion. And as tragic as this Belcher murder-suicide story is, as much as my heart breaks for that little girl, the answer is not taking away or willingly giving up the right of Americans to bear arms. Because if we give up our liberty for the mirage of safety, what really have we won?
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Found a post showing part of this article...Good stuff.
+1..... excellent read.
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Geez, ya think?
Costas: "Mistake" To Give Anti-Gun Commentary During Football Game
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/12/04/nbcs_bob_costas_says_anti-gun_commentary_was_a_mistake.html
More lame back-peddling.
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Geez, ya think?
More lame back-peddling.
I couldn't find a good video of tap dancing.....we need it bad.
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I couldn't find a good video of tap dancing.....we need it bad.
Not tap dancing.....but a Costas-shuffle-like EPIC FAILURE none the less:
;D :o :o :o :o ;D
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"Maybe I was giving the audience too much credit..." WTF????
What an asshole!
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"Maybe I was giving the audience too much credit..." WTF????
What an asshole!
Seems to be the view of all these libtards? >:(
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It makes me very sad.....actually it downright pisses me off............. that a conversation that should be about protecting people from domestic violence has been hijacked by those with an agenda to severely infringe upon, if not outright deny, the Constitutionally protected rights of millions of law-abiding citizens.
Whether the weapon used by domestic abusers is a gun, a knife, a baseball bat, a fist, or intimidation the problem is domestic violence, and the cowards who perpetrate it.
I firmly believe that we would accomplish a much greater good by trying to combat the problem, rather than demonizing the tool used.
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He, (Costas), is going to be on O'Reilly tonight. Don't expect too much. They're both friends, and neither knows his ass from a hole in the ground about guns. A bit like taking flying lessons from a blind instructor.
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He, (Costas), is going to be on O'Reilly tonight. Don't expect too much. They're both friends, and neither knows his ass from a hole in the ground about guns. A bit like taking flying lessons from a blind instructor.
Man, this idiot just keeps digging........ he must have a closet full of shovels at the ready. ::)
Costas demonizes ‘gun culture’ and digs deeper hole
Embattled NBC announcer Bob Costas seems like a man on a mission…to alienate people, and he is doing a smashing job.
On Wednesday evening’s O’Reilly Factor, he threw out missives against the “gun culture” while claiming fealty to the Second Amendment and told Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly that if he were in a crowded theater when some nut opened fire, he would not want a gun with which he might defend himself and others.
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But last night he even got a Washington Post writer upset, which takes a lot of doing when the subject is gun control. Costas said this: “If you were to ask me, I believe there should be more comprehensive and effective controls on the sale of guns, but that’s not where I was coming from on Sunday night.”
Therein lays a monstrous problem for the gun control crowd because they either never define what that means or they offer a wish list of parameters that translates to a ban and nullification of a constitutionally-protected fundamental civil right. But, Mr. Costas insisted as he played semantics with his host, he was not talking about gun control but about the "gun culture."
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After last night’s stint on O’Reilly’s show, Mr. Costas would do himself and the listening audience a great favor by just shutting up. His repeated references to a Wild West/Dirty Harry mentality as a cornerstone of this “gun culture” over the past few days have been insulting. He has done more to demonstrate his lack of knowledge about firearms, gun owners and gun laws than was necessary to convince the gun rights community that he’s not their friend.
For example, he told O’Reilly, “I don’t see why someone should be able to purchase artillery and body armor and automatic weapons.” Two out of three isn’t bad unless we’re discussing gross mischaracterizations, and that’s what Costas appears to now be dishing out. Artillery and automatic weapons; as if they’re on special right now down at Joe’s Midnight Gun Sales.
http://www.examiner.com/article/costas-demonizes-gun-culture-and-digs-deeper-hole?cid=db_articles
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For example, he told O’Reilly, “I don’t see why someone should be able to purchase artillery and body armor and automatic weapons.” Two out of three isn’t bad unless we’re discussing gross mischaracterizations, and that’s what Costas appears to now be dishing out. Artillery and automatic weapons; as if they’re on special right now down at Joe’s Midnight Gun Sales.
You mean you can't just go down to WalMart and pick up a Ma Deuce?
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You mean you can't just go down to WalMart and pick up a Ma Deuce?
Well, you can if you get in real good with ol' Freddy in the storeroom. ;)
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You mean you can't just go down to WalMart and pick up a Ma Deuce?
Not any more.
In Free America, before FDR and the socialists you could get it mail order.
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At least thats how I heard it..........