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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: mrmatt2you on December 04, 2012, 11:03:04 PM
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I was in the local store today getting a new sight put on an FN and we got to talking about new gun laws. The store worker was talking about how they heard or feared that they would try to turn AR type of rifles into a class III type of firearm. That way they do not outright ban them, but make them so much more difficult and then an added $200 tax on them to get them.
They were saying that it is a way to get the gun banners off their back, but also say it was common sense to make them class III and an extra hoop.
I hope this is not the case, but did not know if anyone else has heard anything like this?
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BS.
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BS.
Easy to say.
What makes you think that they won't try it? Look at the things that slip through in the dark, and what gets ramrodded in broad daylight.
It may be paranoid speculation, or it may be prophetic. The difference will be defined in hindsight.
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First I heard of it.
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They were saying that it is a way to get the gun banners off their back, but also say it was common sense to make them class III and an extra hoop.
What scares me most, MrMatt, is that there are gun owners who go along with that logic. My common sense says you meet the bear head on, not feed him your food until you have no more, then he comes after you.
It will not get gun banners off our backs. Until all guns are banned they will continue to nibble away at us piece by piece.
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What scares me most, MrMatt, is that there are gun owners who go along with that logic. My common sense says you meet the bear head on, not feed him your food until you have no more, then he comes after you.
It will not get gun banners off our backs. Until all guns are banned they will continue to nibble away at us piece by piece.
I heard the same sort of give up statement from a small FFL dealer at a gun show in Texas this weekend. He said he got his FFL because he didn't want to be a contributor to the problems associated with the "gun show loophole". I know gun sales are probably a large contributor to this guys livelyhood, but come on! (to clarify, this guy was a private individual not a "dealer" that deals in new guns nor does he have a store)
To bad we have folks in the "culture" helping the gun grabbers make the case that there actually is a hole that needs to be plugged.
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I heard the same sort of give up statement from a small FFL dealer at a gun show in Texas this weekend. He said he got his FFL because he didn't want to be a contributor to the problems associated with the "gun show loophole". I know gun sales are probably a large contributor to this guys livelyhood, but come on! (to clarify, this guy was a private individual not a "dealer" that deals in new guns nor does he have a store)
To bad we have folks in the "culture" helping the gun grabbers make the case that there actually is a hole that needs to be plugged.
Boy you hit the nail on the head having a culture that helps gun grabbers. It's like Obama when he bows to other nation's leaders. Some of these guys have it in them to be "good boys" and all that will get you a "chump" label when they take your stuff. It also shows these guys who think this are followers and not leaders. Everybody let that sink in please...when people want to be known as someone who wants to hide in the system or work within the system and especially when they think they will get some kind of praise, recognition or special protection they are lemmings not leaders. Not that you have to go headstrong against every idea good and bad just recognize some people can't help themselves because they are followers.
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Reposted from another thread.
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=21150.msg265220#msg265220
Gun control has become a smoke screen issue .
When the Dems need to distract the sheep from another economic screwing, Constitutional infringement, or legal, or ethical violation by one of their members they float an AWB, or magazine ban.
All the complacent blowhards rant and scream "They'll get my guns from my dead hands", "They aren't taking MY Rights" blah, blah blah.
Mean while they don't even notice the disappearance of privacy laws, TSA feeling up Grannies and little girls, but not young Muslim men, and a Govt setting them up for 75%+ unemployment, triple digit inflation, and $22TRILLION in debt.
The Dems would be wise to rescind the NFA and GCA 68.
Let everyone mail order belt fed machine guns.
None of the sheep would use them for their intended purpose anyway, they might miss "Dancing with the Stars" or "2 1/2 Men".
The people of this nation deserve whats coming.
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Easy to say.
What makes you think that they won't try it? Look at the things that slip through in the dark, and what gets ramrodded in broad daylight.
It may be paranoid speculation, or it may be prophetic. The difference will be defined in hindsight.
Agreed..
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If they make "AR type weapons" Class III then that would impact sales of used guns would it not? For example, if I wanted to sell my AR-15 that was purchased in 2008 to an individual then that buyer would have to be a Class III license holder, correct? If they use this to trap "grandfathered" weapons then they can take the next step to say ownership is illegal and you have to turn them in; you would not have the option of selling quickly and if you held onto it then you were breaking the law.
This is very different than the previous AWB where everything was grandfathered, the old ones are legal and new ones had to have certain cosmetic changes to be compliant. Labeling them Class III is very different and extremely concerning.
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It might be interesting to note that many gun dealers supported the GCA of '68.
To them it was a way to eliminate the competition of mail order gun sales.
If this is true, might it be supported by dealers already established in the Class III market?
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It might be interesting to note that many gun dealers supported the GCA of '68.
To them it was a way to eliminate the competition of mail order gun sales.
If this is true, might it be supported by dealers already established in the Class III market?
I think you'd find that if 922R were to be repealed, many American gunmakers would scream bloody murder (particularly in the AR market) as they wouldn't want to compete with what would be a flood of $350 Chinese AKs. Its just human nature, and as Adam Smith said, whenever three businessmen meet they conspire against the public interest. Every businessman hates regulation, unless it helps him, then he's all for it as "sensible regulation".
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Regulation almost never helps... Unless you payed for it.
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sounds like a poll tax.
Did you guys have to pay a tax to get into the voting booth on November 6th?
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Could I see them trying to do put them as a Class III, of course. I can totally see the "logic" they would use and say. They are not banning them, just expanding the 7 day waiting period to about 9 months if you are lucky.
But what would the private sales do? Do I think the gov't would be thinking of that, No, but we will cross that bridge later. Hell I can see them creating a Czra position. What is just troubling are the "what ifs" that's out there with the next 4 years or any judge appointments.
I figure there will be other rumors swirling out there in the next months or years about what will be coming down the road. I just did not know if anyone heard anything similar.
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It might be interesting to note that many gun dealers supported the GCA of '68.
To them it was a way to eliminate the competition of mail order gun sales.
If this is true, might it be supported by dealers already established in the Class III market?
I don't know what their status is now, but there used to be a National Alliance of Stocking Gun Dealers. These were the guys who are/were against the "gunshow loophole" and kitchen table FFL's. They had partnered up with the Violence Prevention Center. The NASGD are the guys who own the actual brick and mortar stores.
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Could I see them trying to do put them as a Class III, of course. I can totally see the "logic" they would use and say. They are not banning them, just expanding the 7 day waiting period to about 9 months if you are lucky.
But what would the private sales do? Do I think the gov't would be thinking of that, No, but we will cross that bridge later. Hell I can see them creating a Czra position. What is just troubling are the "what ifs" that's out there with the next 4 years or any judge appointments.
I figure there will be other rumors swirling out there in the next months or years about what will be coming down the road. I just did not know if anyone heard anything similar.
And of course there are the old rumors on the internet that will never die.
I still get panicked E Mails warning me about the "Blair/Holt" bill, HR45, that nevr got any sponsors years ago.