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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on December 09, 2012, 08:57:24 AM
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This is a headline from the Washington Post this morning:
Grim budget realities will limit Obama’s ambitions in second term
Grim budget realities will limit Obama’s ambitions in second term
Peter Wallsten and Zachary A. Goldfarb
Even if he wins the fight over tax rates for the wealthy in the “fiscal cliff,” new programs will be limited.
I say good! It is easy to say what I said or read it and assume it is a selfish thought. That my joy is based on limiting his actions that I do not agree with. However, that is not why I am hopeful. I am hopeful and pleased because it shows that there is a slim sliver of hope that we will face reality, and that we may start to try to live within our means, and that we will suck it in to survive.
My life time, over fifty years, may seem like a long time to most. However, in relation to the life of this nation it is small. I have lived for less than 25% of this nations life. However, during my lifetime it has been all good and plentiful. Even in these difficult times when families are tightening their belts we see full shelves, full gas tanks, car lots full of vehicles, and entertainment of all sorts doing well. Even my parents can talk of the days of little, and of rationing, and when my grandparents could talk it wasn't rationing because there was nothing to ration some weeks. My aunts were telling of the days during WWII when they had little. A family farm consisting of three generations (grandpa, two single aunts, two brothers and their families (four children and six children); they were farrow to finish hogs; dairy; beef production; breeding poultry with a hatchery for ducks, geese, turkeys and chickens; with meat production from all and eggs from chickens; and they were a full grain farm as well. This is a farm that in the 1940's owned and operated two threshing machines with first steam engines and then Rumley Oil Pulls, and the first farm semis in the area (they owned two tractors and full trailer selection for each). During WWII and shortly after this family struggled to put food on the table, because even a farm like this needed to budget, trade and barter for enough ration stamps for their own needs.
When is the last time that our nation lived this way? I know, because I have lived with those that lived that way.
It is time that someone reign in government, and that we as citizens were reigned in. We can't live like drunken sailors on leave for decades on end. There are good times, there are bad times, and we need to live with in our means during both. It is this story, and other news of the last two weeks that have me saying - Even the side fighting Pres. BHO is not being strict enough. Let us fall off the cliff and scramble to build. That is harsh, and it will hurt a lot, but it is far better than the false hope that we can tax and spend our way out of this, and that we need to just keep giving Pres. BHO new credit cards every time one maxes out (without any checks and balances according to his latest demand).
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This is precisely why he wants control of the debt ceiling. He want to leave an even bigger debt for future generations to deal with.
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Grim realities maybe, but no limitations with this congress .
The Dems are all just as delusional as BO, and most of the so called Republicans are a bunch of cowards.
The "asses" who compose the majority are going to get just exactly what they deserve .
Exactly what they voted for, unfunded hand outs until the "rich" are either broke or left.
I want to see reality hit them .
Stock market shut down because it dropped 3,000 points on opening, banks shut down to prevent a run, ATM's emptied and not refilled because the banks are closed, triple digit inflation, 80% unemployment, 90% tax rate not covering the debt.
See how they like socialism then.
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This is precisely why he wants control of the debt ceiling. He want to leave an even bigger debt for future generations to deal with.
Not saying it won't happen but it's pretty clear who holds that power in the Constitution! It would take an amendment to make that change and I doubt 38 states would agree to it...I hope!
All the money he spent was approved by Congress, that's the law! We should have worried less about whom we elected to the WH and far more on the House and the Senate!
The American public failed once again because those seats are their responsibility!
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Not saying it won't happen but it's pretty clear who holds that power in the Constitution! It would take an amendment to make that change and I doubt 38 states would agree to it...I hope!
All the money he spent was approved by Congress, that's the law! We should have worried less about whom we elected to the WH and far more on the House and the Senate!
The American public failed once again because those seats are their responsibility!
We hold the power in the Constitution! The citizens of the United States of America hold the power! And if you read the writings of the Founders you will note that is the way it is intended and one of the purposes of the Second Amendment. Not a polite statement in public or a group of sheeple, but the truth >:(
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Could Pres. BHO Be Facing Limitations?
Yes........but with the aid of teleprompters and people to think for him, he has risen above them. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Sarcastic humor.....pointed at BHO's obvious ineptitude as PotUS.........^^^^^^^^^^^^^...
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Yes........but with the aid of teleprompters and people to think for him, he has risen above them.
No! All they have done is hide the obvious from the masses, and most don't recognize the facts. The idiot still thinks the best way out of this deep pit we are in is with a shovel >:(
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We hold the power in the Constitution! The citizens of the United States of America hold the power! And if you read the writings of the Founders you will note that is the way it is intended and one of the purposes of the Second Amendment. Not a polite statement in public or a group of sheeple, but the truth >:(
Crap. that old meaningless paper written by slave owning white guys ?
Who needs that ?
You notice that the US Congress has not passed a legal annual budget in 4 years and counting ?
Learn your place and shut your face citizen .
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Crap. that old meaningless paper written by slave owning white guys ?
Who needs that ?
You notice that the US Congress has not passed a legal annual budget in 4 years and counting ?
Learn your place and shut your face citizen Subject.
FIFY
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Crap. that old meaningless paper written by slave owning white guys ?
Who needs that ?
You notice that the US Congress has not passed a legal annual budget in 4 years and counting ?
Learn your place and shut your face citizen .
Would you prefer a third nostril or a third ear canal? I offer both in your choice of .243" or .308" >:(
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Would you prefer a third nostril or a third ear canal? I offer both in your choice of .243" or .308" >:(
Wake up and smell reality m58.
The only time the Gov remembers the Constitution is when they are using it to f*ck you .
As for the 3rd nostril, if you had the balls to do it, instead of talk about it you would have started during the carter years.
You are like many so called Patriots, you talk a lot of crap 80 years to late.
Before you start taking me to task for pointing out what every one knows who's been paying attention why don't you go read what the "Commerce Clause" actually says.
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Hey! I am here, and since the Sheriff know I have the guns he also knows I won't give them up! Do you and your local law enforcement have the same understanding on a first name basis? Does your Police Chief or Sheriff tell their underlings about you when you all get involved in a discussion or debate?
Every one of my elected officials understands my stance, and they know what I think of my God give Rights that they are supposed to be paying attention to.
Will I drill extra holes when the time comes? I don't know, but nobody can say they will until the time comes. However, I am prepared, and my local officials know my stance.
I wasn't here 80 years ago, I didn't have a say 50 years ago, I wasn't educated enough 30 years ago, but over the last 20 years I have made educated votes and communications. I will take blame for what has happened during my watch, but it isn't that I haven't done at least something.
I take every effort to push the Right, and defy the "rules." Had an issue with our local DNR this last summer. The DNR thinks they control carry during hunting, but our local area has learned that they can not act as god. Some of my actions will go deeper than we need to go hear right now, but trust me that I know how far I have gone, and how far I hope I would go.
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Would you prefer a third nostril or a third ear canal?
BO hasn't seen a limitation that he has chosen to recognize yet. I sure don't see him starting now.. Every inaction he has conducted is just as calculated as any action he has taken..
I hear too much crap as it is.
The third nostril would be a blast in the school cafeteria!!! ;D (Since I never got a date there anyway.. ::))
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It is important to recognize that we mostly frame our perception of the world within the subculture we identify ourselves with. Being part of a larger, and it appears largely failed culture within the US, understanding this is a tool by which to determine both how we conduct ourselves and in what manner our actions should be expressed.
Other subcultures outside "our" subculture that make up the larger culture of this nation may not share the same values of one's own subculture nor reflect the ability to be at once simultaneously critical and responsible in their thinking. In this we should try to understand better the foundations of others and attempt to impart to them what it is "our" culture believes is a better way. As others are somehow educated, by depression, economic collapse, loss of a home, helplessness in seeing a loved one die from the deathcare about to be imposed upon us, or some other means of enlightenment, it is especially important that those other subcultures are aware who it is they had unfounded faith in how it is they imposed such horrors on them.
We should think towards helping others recognize and understand who exploited their poor support and voting choices, who benefited from their poor choices and to ignore the loudmouth down the street. People should focus on the problem at the ground roots level to change the nation from the bottom up. Any political machine gets their "dues" and allegiance from the little guys at the bottom of it's organization...that can and should be removed in future voting cycles.
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Hey! I am here, and since the Sheriff know I have the guns he also knows I won't give them up! Do you and your local law enforcement have the same understanding on a first name basis? Does your Police Chief or Sheriff tell their underlings about you when you all get involved in a discussion or debate?
Every one of my elected officials understands my stance, and they know what I think of my God give Rights that they are supposed to be paying attention to.
Will I drill extra holes when the time comes? I don't know, but nobody can say they will until the time comes. However, I am prepared, and my local officials know my stance.
I wasn't here 80 years ago, I didn't have a say 50 years ago, I wasn't educated enough 30 years ago, but over the last 20 years I have made educated votes and communications. I will take blame for what has happened during my watch, but it isn't that I haven't done at least something.
I take every effort to push the Right, and defy the "rules." Had an issue with our local DNR this last summer. The DNR thinks they control carry during hunting, but our local area has learned that they can not act as god. Some of my actions will go deeper than we need to go hear right now, but trust me that I know how far I have gone, and how far I hope I would go.
Most of the cops around here not only know me by my first, but not last, name.
They also know I can out shoot them.
My "sub culture" is the one that took America from a small country dependent on agriculture and turned it into a continent spanning world power envied by the rest of the world .
The sub culture of North European, mostly non practicing Protestant workers.
Dr's may be handy to have around but they never built a railroad.
Lawyers never dug a canal by hand .
And while there may have been some blacks and Chinese involved in both endeavors there weren't any rag heads around.
They were getting their asses kicked by 6 Marines in Tripoli.
Fixing the existing system is a waste of time , and probably not possible.
What is left of "America" is nothing but a name and a flag and is not worth saving.
The population don't want it.
The Government doesn't want it.
Neither one deserves it.
F*ck it, bring it all down completely, change the National anthem to "We are the World", cut up that old red , white and blue rag and run up the UN Blue and let them wallow in their shit for 80 years until a generation grows up that actually deserves freedom.