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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on December 13, 2012, 06:48:16 PM
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/Union-Thugs-Shout-Down-Tea-Party-Counter-Protest-In-Lansing-Michigan?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+December+11%2C+2012&utm_campaign=20121211_m114668989_Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+December+11%2C+2012&utm_term=More
Just a few minutes into the demonstration against Michigan’s right to work legislation, Union loyalists show their disdain for free speech by instructing and shouting down members of the Tea Party on the steps of the Michigan State Capitol building. The incident occurred around 7:15 AM and was captured exclusively by Breitbart news.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id={2DDDC890-1ACF-4F92-9C35-9C1F71338C62}&title=Crazed-Union-Thug-Screams-At-Camera-Theyre-Pissing-On-History&utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+December+11%2C+2012&utm_campaign=20121211_m114668989_Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+December+11%2C+2012&utm_term=More
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Saving the best for last
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/raw-footage-captures-union-activists-punching-attacking-conservative-writer/
TheBlaze reported earlier that alleged union activists had attacked a tent owned by the pro-right-to-work group Americans for Prosperity.
Now we have more footage of not only the attack on the tent, but also of alleged union activists physically attacking conservative writer and comedian Steven Crowder:
“They were tearing down the tent,” Crowder explained when TheBlaze asked him about the moments leading up to the violent exchange. “Now that sort of becomes a melee. They were trying to tear down the [AFP] tent and people were trying to pull them off … there were people in there. It’s their property.”
“And as they [the union activists] did that, a few people tripped,” he continued, “this guy tripped over a tent peg and then got up and hit me.”
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/union-thugs-destroy-hot-dog-stand-of-alleged-romney-supporter-in-lansing-and-taunt-him-with-racial-slurs/
Editor’s note: Be sure to check out the update to this story below, which includes audio from Tarver explaining just what happened, including that two men in the tent entered with masks covering their faces.
A man running a local hot dog stand in Michigan’s state capital was among those attacked by protesters of the state’s “Right to Work” legislation while he served food in a tent that was torn down yesterday. The man was also allegedly taunted when he tried to salvage some of his property.
During Tuesday’s protests — the day Gov. Rick Snyder signed into law what he said is “pro-worker” legislation — the equipment Clint Tarver uses to run Clint’s Hot Dog Cart and Casual Catering was destroyed by people some have called “union thugs.”
According to the Lansing State Journal, Tarver was hired by the pro-Right-to-Work group Americans for Prosperity to serve hot dogs in the tent. TheBlaze reported about the tent’s destruction Tuesday — and how protesters were reportedly cutting up and distributing pieces of it as “souvenirs.”
Some of Tarver’s equipment used for his business were collateral damage in the protests. He recounted to the State Journal that he was trying to salvage some of it, but a friend of his told him “you gotta get out of here.”
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Left wing communist bigots.
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They always have been.
The very concept of "labor unions" comes from European socialism.
Guilds were intended to advance an industry, both labor and management.
Unions are intended to advance the Unions political power by setting up a self defeating adversarial relationship between the management providing the jobs and the laborers doing them at the expense of the customer.
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I'm certainly not trying to provoke an argument here but I find your comments about labor unions very offensive. I belong to the Steel Workers Union, I am a former US Marine and an NRA Member! To classify me as a communist is quite a stretch and very insulting. Let me tell you a little about the corporation I work for. For the year 2011 the CEO recieved an $8 million bonus while I was laid off from the end of October until the middle of March! At the end of November of this year the Corporation shut off our overtime as a cost cutting measure to ensure our CEO and various VP's and VIP's could get there Yearly bonus and make their bottom line at a time when according to our shipping figures we are having one of our best years ever. The same day that corporate shut off our OT as a cost cutting measure they had 40 brand new Dell computers delivered to our shop! And then told us that the "customary" $20 gift card to the local grocery store was going to be deferred until January! Presumably because the approximately $1500 they would cost the Corporation was just too expensive for a Multi Billion dollar global manufacturer!!!
If you have an employer that cares about its employees maybe a labor union isn't necessary. When you have an employer like mine???
Now, lets talk about right to work. My Local President told me just yesterday that he would have no problem if people in our shop didn't want to belong to the Union as long as he did not have to represent them and use Union dues to file labor grievances on their behalf. That is not the case though and right to work legislation is merely a ploy to try to break up the Unions. See above if you need a reminder of why my job needs the Union protection. And let me add that my employer has tried to fire an employee within the last 3 years for gettin hurt ON THE JOB. The employee's hand got caught in the machine and the corporation tried to have him fired. How about that for an outstanding employer?
Bottom line I belong to a Labor Union and am proud of it! I am also a gun owner and I served this country. Try to have your facts before you make such wide sweeping generalizations! And as a side note, my father worked for the same Union in the same plant for 40 years and he and my mother are as American as they come!
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I'm certainly not trying to provoke an argument here but I find your comments about labor unions very offensive. I belong to the Steel Workers Union, I am a former US Marine and an NRA Member! To classify me as a communist is quite a stretch and very insulting. Let me tell you a little about the corporation I work for. For the year 2011 the CEO recieved an $8 million bonus while I was laid off from the end of October until the middle of March! At the end of November of this year the Corporation shut off our overtime as a cost cutting measure to ensure our CEO and various VP's and VIP's could get there Yearly bonus and make their bottom line at a time when according to our shipping figures we are having one of our best years ever. The same day that corporate shut off our OT as a cost cutting measure they had 40 brand new Dell computers delivered to our shop! And then told us that the "customary" $20 gift card to the local grocery store was going to be deferred until January! Presumably because the approximately $1500 they would cost the Corporation was just too expensive for a Multi Billion dollar global manufacturer!!!
If you have an employer that cares about its employees maybe a labor union isn't necessary. When you have an employer like mine???
Now, lets talk about right to work. My Local President told me just yesterday that he would have no problem if people in our shop didn't want to belong to the Union as long as he did not have to represent them and use Union dues to file labor grievances on their behalf. That is not the case though and right to work legislation is merely a ploy to try to break up the Unions. See above if you need a reminder of why my job needs the Union protection. And let me add that my employer has tried to fire an employee within the last 3 years for gettin hurt ON THE JOB. The employee's hand got caught in the machine and the corporation tried to have him fired. How about that for an outstanding employer?
Bottom line I belong to a Labor Union and am proud of it! I am also a gun owner and I served this country. Try to have your facts before you make such wide sweeping generalizations! And as a side note, my father worked for the same Union in the same plant for 40 years and he and my mother are as American as they come!
This is gonna sound harsh. Find another job. If the employer is that bad, why do you continue to work for them? Seriously. Cake to look at? Cake to eat! Which do you want? You are the one making the choice to enrich management and the corporation. Once again, if you don't like the employer's practices, you have the choice and ability whether to work there or not. Don't blame it on anyone in management. Your status as an employee is a matter of choice. Management uses those practices because they can. When it comes to workers, it is a buyer market. Get used to it, most likely your union helped get BHO re-elected. He sure as hell isn't doing anything to improve the economy.
Don't want to quit? Suck it up, and shut it up! In my experience, the union I belonged to was only interested in how rapidly they could fill their pockets with my hard earned dollars. Yeah, they raised dues, yearly, and the Teamsters didn't get me a raise for 14 of those years. I quit, found another job.
I'm a vet too. USN. I own a few firearms. I am a member of the 16th native born generation of my family. I am as American as they come too. What does that have to do with Union thuggery? What happened in Michigan can be called nothing else.
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Regardless of how strongly one feels about unions, pro or con, there simply is no excuse for using violence to promote your beliefs. Protesting is an American tradition and a right. But damaging other people's property and persons is not. Only goons do that, no matter which side they are on. I fail to see where Michigan's RTW law deprives any union member of his job, livelihood, benefits or power to bargain collectively. It does reduce the overall monopolistic power of unions to subjugate non-union members by forcing them to pay dues. Every person in this country has the right to not join a union. Conversely, by not joining a union, that person does not necessarily benefit from the union's bargaining power. No one should argue that unions have not benefited the American worker, they have. Bur when unions dictate to all American workers by forcefully collecting dues, using those dues to elect politicians favorable to the union interests and causes but not necessarily non-union interests and causes, then that is going way too far. Living in MD opens one's eyes to the unusually high impact, both positive and negative, unions have on the people. When in high school, my son applied for a part-time job at the local Safeway. The union demanded he pay dues as a condition of employment, even though he would not be considered a union member and would not enjoy union benefits. Needless to say, he paid the dues but took away from that that unions are not necessarily beneficial to all workers. That sounds minor, but not to a high school student trying to learn the values of working and becoming a constructive member of society.
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FBG, well said. Succinct. Accurate. Right on the money.
My first job, some 50 years ago, was as a bag-boy for a supermarket. I had to join RCIA Local 1428.
I excelled at bagging groceries to the extent that the manager promoted me to apprentice clerk and put me to work in the produce department.
I worked about 10 hours a week making about $28 and the extra money helped both me and the family.
I got about 2 weeks into the new job when the union guy showed up demanding $440 initiation fees because I was now an apprentice clerk. I told him I didn't have that kind of money. He said they could just take it out of my weekly pay for the next 12 weeks until it was paid off.
Working for nothing for three months didn't make a lot of sense to me. I told the union guy I'd like to decline his offer. Union guy walked straight into the manager's office and told him he'd have to fire me. He did. Said he couldn't risk any union trouble even for a good, hard working employee.
I got a non-union job down the street at a Harbor Gas Station and have never joined another union. I'm retired, now. Going to be 65 in a few months. Little chance I'll change my mind about union thugs.
And Sean from Vermont, the company isn't there to give you a job. You are there to do a job that satisfies them for a wage that satisfies you. They are there to make a profit, not to ensure you have a certain standard of living. What management earns is the concern of the board members. That, in a nutshell is the essence of capitalism. To think you somehow deserve largess from management is the essence of communism. If this offends you, it is not my intent. But, I would suggest that you have been so indoctrinated with union BS that you do not recognize your belief system for what it actually is. And as FBG said, if you don't think you are being fairly compensated for the work you do, leave.
Crusader Rabbit
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I guess, if the group of us could sit at a table and talk I could explain the points in my post. Not to change anyone's mind but just for clarity. We can't so I will leave this discussion. I have no desire to call names or be called names by someone who wouldn't say crap if they had a mouthful if we were sitting around a table. The Internet has created a lot of "brave" people.
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..... as FBG said, if you don't think you are being fairly compensated for the work you do, leave.
Or better yet, start your own company and see what it takes t be successful.
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Sean, it has been my experience here that all of us are opinionated. None of us hesitates to speak our mind. None of us would hesitate to do so if we were sitting around the table looking you and the others in the face. I have found no cowards in this bunch nor do I take offense when they tell me to go fly a kite (usually not so kindly worded, haha). Stick around and speak your mind. i don't know how long you have been with us but i find the mix of young and old, experienced shooters and novices, workers (plus those looking for work) and retirees to be exciting. I hope you will too. There's a lot here to enjoy. The more you participate the better we get to know you and vice versa.
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I worked at a union hospital for a year and a half. Going union I took a pay cut, lost seniority (even though it was the same health system, just a different building) and they wanted me to happily pay them for it. F them and anyone who voted them in. There were plenty of stories of how the union helped people get their jobs back with back pay for things that they absolutely deserved to be fired for. After all, it is a hospital and peoples lives are at stake. I personally don't wish to work with anyone that is dangerous or incompetent but that is who the unions cater to. When I left there some of the nurses were starting to figure out that it wasn't them vs administration is was nurses vs nurses and they were fighting each other for what was available and what was best for them individually.
Individually most union members are decent people. It's the union leaders that stir things up. Keep people thinking that they should be unhappy and they won't bitch when they have to pay you dues. Create issues out of things that don't matter.
I hate unions and I have no problem telling anyone to stick their union up their ass.
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I have seen both the good and the bad of unions. My grandfather was the pres of painters union. Back when it actually ment something to be union. now days it does not mean much and the union has no power, hell even I got pickited by that same union. Made one phone call and they went away. Lol unions were great for teaching people a trade. Now not so much, Just do your time and get your card. it sickens me.
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Sean, if my comment offended you I don't care.
I also served as an active duty Marine .
One of the most politically naive people I know served as an officer of the 82nd Airborne for 20 years during the cold war ( including 2 tours in Vn ) and while he ca talk for hours about French and German food he never heard a shot fired in anger, and has no clue about communism.
In fact, he voted for Obama.
Since you are not involved in the Union management you probably are not a communist .
But if you defend Unions in spite of their past and current behavior then you are most assuredly a communist dupe.
You may not agree with their goals, but you are attempting to advance them any way.
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..... Little chance I'll change my mind about union thugs. .....
Left wing communist bigots.
I guess, if the group of us could sit at a table and talk I could explain the points in my post. Not to change anyone's mind but just for clarity. We can't so I will leave this discussion. I have no desire to call names or be called names by someone who wouldn't say crap if they had a mouthful if we were sitting around a table. The Internet has created a lot of "brave" people.
The brave one's are the thugs that are homebred terrorists, eh? Most people avoid conflict to avoid it or to protect their families. The time where one can avoid conflict is rapidly evaporating. A lot of states have Castle Doctrine now, however thug cowards aren't usually so direct unless they are protected by the local police...they usually wait until someone is away and unaware and overwhelm that person with numbers....I know how it works. You seem to be a decent guy...but the leadership and enforcers suck and mostly feign to support you and your ideals.
Yeah I know about the companies...you are being played. Why doesn't Obama, or why didn't Bush or Clinton or RINO's or Democrats set it up where the paper tricks like companies, mutual funds, etc. could not vote company shares only flesh and blood people? They use 401k and other investment money that buys company shares to keep their cronies in posh Board Seats, to move jobs overseas, etc. Get real..they are playing the ends and the ends are getting your money. You are in the middle.
So long as you believe one of the ends is for you....you are actually part of the problem masses. You seem to be a neat guy, you're a gun guy....that's great. Take a minute to see who supports the ends and who really get's squeezed in the middle. Obama, the Democrats, Republican RINO's, the American Communists, etc. are the same gang of Buffett, Soros, Gates, Rockerfeller, etc. on top that support the ideals of the thugs on the bottom. The top is totally unaffected by taxes and receives great benefits with the government buyouts and bailouts....at the bottom they give people who choose to be non-productive benefits and put you in the middle....you pay for it. Notice how anyone with a J-O-B is doing worse the last 40 years (i.e. Mom no longer at home, two wage earners required) in relation to free time and stress then the guys on top or bottom?