I heard some tactical training course included this type exercise for their students and aroused some controversy in the training world.
Maybe it was called "the Snake Exercise?" as taught by Hackathorn? (Really, it is just a guess and not intended to tar anyone with any brush pro or con)
Anyway, if you get among a group of people who disapprove of this type training keep your mouth shut. They tend to be passionate about their views.
Ooooooookkkaaaaayyyyy - I have no clue what JohnJacobH's comments mean. I know, I am way out of it on occasion.
This seems to be a form of aggressive suppressive fire. Leaves the shooters exposed as they move from cover to cover. But I can envision instances where this would be appropriate, especially if up against an untrained or timid foe. Reminiscent of the fight scene in the movie Heat, too, and yes, I know, that is Hollyweird.
So what am I missing?
Besides, cool video, cool ad for the Masada. Maybe that's the sole point?
Ooooooookkkaaaaayyyyy - I have no clue what JohnJacobH's comments mean. I know, I am way out of it on occasion.
Well, if it is the exercise I think it is, you have students in motion down range of each other with hot weapons firing. I understand the tactical value, interwoven magazine reloads and etc.
They also operated without sweeping each other with the muzzle. The guy advancing fired on the move, emptying out his magazine between areas of cover, while the other guy seemed to hold off.
Frankly, that kind of hot training is what's needed because that's the kind of moves that our boys need to perfect before they hit the sandbox.
First off... thanks to whom ever posted the video...
Second.. you guys are getting to wrapped around the application like Eric Lund was saying... this drill is NOT a tactics drill! it is a fundamental drill... building on weapons manipulation, team movements, positions, communications, tactical telepathic's, and team work to keep guns in play.
this is one of the many drills we would run in an advance Carbine course...Tactics is another course all by itself.
OK, so who is we, Kemosabe?
? Im not tracking with you Hoss... whats your question?
? Im not tracking with you Hoss... whats your question?
At the out set of the Ruby Ridge stand off, 2 US marshals were utilizing fire and movement after their surveillance was discovered and they were fired on by Randy Weavers son for killing his dog, one Marshal wound up dead and based on forensic evidence, 9 mm "Police only" round recovered from his body, bullet hole through his Back pack into his body, It was obvious that he crossed in front of his partner while he was firing, An unfortunate example of the importance of continuous training.
If I recall, those boys were using suppressed weapons and wearing black Ninja gear including nomex ski masks in heavy undergrowth. It is a miracle the whole team did not shoot each other and blame the Weavers.
You had said "this is one of the many drills we would run in an advance Carbine course...Tactics is another course all by itself."
I was wondering if you run a shooting school, or playing off your site name if you are actually part of Magpul Dynamics.
Update: NO, as I said before, you cannot let me post when I am tired or just awake - which are the only 2 times I get to post cuz of work. Thanks to Tom I finally looked at the signature block and figured out what was going on. Anyhow, as Emily Letella would say - Never mind!
Welcome to the site, Travis. Any truth to the rumor you're giving away free Masadas to those of us who joined this site early on? ;D