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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Ksail101 on December 17, 2012, 11:35:26 AM
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The Death of the serial killer cause the Rise of Mass shootings.
Has modern science and the growth of forensic science been part of the cause of this mass shooting era? I have no facts to back it up but purely a hypothesis. The amount of serial killers blasting the front of news papers and national news stories have dropped considerably. Most likely due to the advance of crime scene investigation techniques. So are we replacing those with mass shooting killers?
If you look at it they kill multiple people and have patterns. School, mall, courthouse ect. They target a group or section of society. Young, teenage, young adult, or the educated and seemingly powerful. But instead of drawing their killings out possibly "getting off" on the job. They plan for weeks, months, or years and attack with swift determination. Much like a serial killer selecting his prey. Scouting, judging, and pouncing. The fear they instill is all too real. White women with blond hair afraid to jog in an area. Teenage kids afraid to go to school.
Is this some radical unrealistic idea that has popped into my malted hopped brain. Or could this be something. I'm not talking about all the shooters but many of them have the personality of a serial killer. Look at the Batman movie shooter. Clearly a genius. A messed up one but one at that. These are broken people who I believe would have killed in some way if this wasn't the "in" thing to do. The gun is just the thing that is easy to blame. But if they knew they could do it, do you think these people would kill many in some other fashion if the threat of being stopped too early wasn't there.
Sorry for any punctuation errors. Doing this off a mobile device. Would just like to hear some of your thoughts on this.
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We were discussing something along those lines here at work earlier and I posted a little of what I think is happening in Tyler's MK ULTRA thread.
Take a good long look at the perpetrators of these mass shootings:
Loners, smart, spends a great deal of time online gaming or similar, possible (more than likely) personality disorder
They spend a great deal of time playing violent games, watching violent movies where there are no clear distintiion between right and wrong. The "good guy" has to shoot an innocent to get the terrorist or only gets a couple "points" taken off but racks up a huge score the more bodies. Little sense of fact/fiction or they become desensitized to the violence.
Then something sets them off and they turn violent in the real world. Lanza killed his mother, the VT shooter went after a girlfriend. They realize its "just like the game" so they follow the "storyline." It isn't real to them, just a "game." They also have been taught tactics and techniques, since movies and games are getting more realistic. Look at Call of Duty for PS3/XBox, it has a rifle that you have to reload when out, not just point away from the screen or press a singel button. The game reequires you to slice the pie and use cover and concealment to fight through the threat. Once they start getting resistance, either a weapon's malfunction, CCW bystander, or LEO, they do what happens in the game, die.
Is everybody that plays those games evil and going to kill someone, no. But you take a marginally stable individual, socially awkward, with a disconnection with reality and set them in front of the TV, movie, or game for hours at a time where that's all they see and then wonder why we have them go off the deap end.
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Might be a reasonable assumption except that mass shootings are also on the decline.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/associated-press-story-believe-it-or-not-mass-killings-are-not-on-the-rise-they-are-on-the-decline/
Story highlights:
While the perception in the wake of this year’s mass shootings has been that such acts are on the rise, the Associated Press found that it’s actually the exact opposite when you look at the data on a macro level.
“There is no pattern, there is no increase,” says criminologist James Allen Fox of Boston’s Northeastern University.
He adds that the random mass shootings that get the most media attention are the rarest.
While mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, says.
Chances of being killed in a mass shooting, he says, are probably no greater than being struck by lightning.
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Is the video game just as easy to blame as the gun. It's just like cars kill how many thousands more than guns a year but no one is crying to stop them.
Some one needed to be there to teach them the distinction between fantasy and reality. The game is fake. Mom and dad need to pull him out of it and teach him a little about the world. If he is having issues with friends and being a loner maybe putting him on a baseball team might help. Some kids that makes it worse. Maybe get him involved in the math Olympics at school where he could meet like minded kids and learn its ok to be a nerd.
I just posted on a something Tom had wrote. I watched horrible movies when I was younger. Never really a gamer but all my friends are and I have sat hours at a time in high school smoking something out of a water pipe and never once had the intent to harm another individual. And neither did any of my friends playing those games. I had both parents. Went to a catholic school from 2-8th grade and then went to an inner city (major metropolitan) public that suffered from a completely failed race integration experiment where all that happened is the gangs from te south end now were able to make money for the hard working parents (kids) in the north end. So I was that generation of the video game and terminator movies. The kids that were screwed up in my school almost all had issues at home. There wee a few spoiled kids that acted out drinking and throwing parties maybe one of them had violent streak in them. But the kids with real problems who packed guns and stuff had horrible up brings. And the ones that were loners and or dressed odd and or exhibited the behavior of someone sick. Had even worse upbrings. The gang kids had each other the loners had no one. Not even mom or dad. Or one of those two abused them. In school you know who those kids are. And what now is the biggest fear everyone has. That they have rammed into every loss brain is the ultimate crime. This. This mass shooting. So if that kid wants to "get back" at everyone what are they going to do. No stab the jock anymore or turn to drugs like the DARE program taught them to do. They are going to do this.
I believe yes tv and movies did have an impact on this. It was Michael Moore putting the columbine shooting on a pedestal. It was the news and media immortalizing those two. It was all the actions that happened since in schools that changed how school was conducted. They get to go out with a huge bang. They can "change" America by their act. That's what Obama is giving them. Take the gun out put a bomb and we would be going through that. Take the bomb out and put in some sort of poisonous gas concocted from household goods and it will be that. No movies and tv depicting violence didn't do this.
I can almost see one of these sick loners sitting in their room a few day before they commit this act "getting off" to the thought of Obama "changing" America cause of what they will do. "Everyone will see me now. And know my name like Jon Anderson the HS quarterback. I'm going to add my name in the history books. I'm going to take it a step further than X and Y did." Serial killers loved the names and monikers they got.
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I've been a gamer since they came out. I had Nintendo, I had INTELLIVISION for crying out loud, and nearly every gaming system since. I play Call of Duty, etc. Also play flying games, car racing games, whatever. THe point is, I don't DO any of that in real life. THis isn't about video games, guns, or breakfast cereals. This is about lunatics that may or may not get treatment, and the evil that some of them do. Period.
Timothy McVeigh had guns at his disposal, but he got more mileage out of a truck bomb. Evil is Evil.
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Jay you are right on my man. Timothy Mcv-however you spell his name committed his crime under the last AWB did he not? I was a little young and don't know the extent of gun laws then too much but I know the AR was very difficult to come by.
No babies left off the bus. You give up the AR get ready to give up granddads single shot 20guage.
How many bombings have happened in Syria and Afghanistan in the last week.
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This all seems a little too simple for me. The issues are much more about coping skills and emotional intelligence and the individual makeup of the kid. If a kid is left isolated (video babysitting), he may or may not learn to make friends online. If he has minimal home life or interaction with other people and does not learn how to deal with conflicting emotions (both his and others) and no one to help him sort it out he may or may not come to terms with this isolation. If a kid sees adults resolving problems by violence and intimidation with their close associates (family, etc.) he may or may not realize that there is a better way.
You add all of that to kid with high intelligence, low emotional awareness and low impulse control and maybe throw in a lack of social moral code, (say no religion or team sports or other ways to socialize) and mix in the total self absorbed overstimulated sensationalized breathless immediate gratification cultural soup that we can hardly get away from today and probably 1 in a million crack.
It is probably harder to be a serial killer today than in the past, but how do you know there are fewer? There are a lot of unsolved murders/deaths still. The talented ones would make it look like natural causes. A lack of data does mean a lack of activity.
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Of course it's not that simple, but in some ways it's very simple. It's hard to maintain the values of rural or blue collar America when that world doesn't exist anymore. Kids now are told they're special, they never make mistakes, never are wrong, never are bad. They barely get corrected and they are bombarded by media streams 24/7 with little supervision. OF COURSE many are going to grow up antisocial because they get no proper socialization.
The other thing is that with the internet and all the social media EVERYTHING is in your face more. More tension, stress, and bad news. It's easier to organize as a group(gun folk), but it's also more overwhelming. You didn't hear about serial killers as much years ago, but I'll bet there are as many or more- they're smarter and crazier. It's so easy to keep tabs on what the cops know.
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Another point that leans to the fact kids today "get out" nowhere near enough, is the child obesity problem. 50 years ago none of these electronic devices existed for kids. Video games, smart phones, laptops and PC's, the Internet, etc. were nowhere to be found. We had to manufacture our own fun. When you got home from school you went out and played. That involved exercise. Be it riding a bicycle, running, walking to a friends house, playing in a playground or baseball field, or swimming at the local lake or pool. Usually until you were supposed to be home for dinner. Then, right back out again until "The streetlights came on".
We ate home cooked meals for dinner every night, and almost never went to a restaurant. Today...."Get the door, it's Dominoes". Kids come home from school after sitting on their asses for hours on end, only to sit on them for hours more playing video games, or surfing the Internet wasting hours on "social network" sites. Usually munching on junk food and pop all the while. The end result is we now have near epidemic levels of Diabetes in this country, in kids 12 to 18 years old. What is going to happen 15 or 20 years from now? Are these same kids all looking to be on dialysis by the time they're in their 30's? All the while these same kids are allegedly "starving" on Food Stamps. The list is all but endless of how screwed up this society is. Nothing is taken in moderation anymore. In many cases involving this type of behaviour, parents are the kids worst enemy.
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When people blame violent video games they get it exactly backwards.
A normal person will play and be entertained.
An already unstable mind will not be helped , but the same effect could be attributed to the evening news.
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Blame everything but the warped evil bastard that should be locked up or put down. Sorry, not everyone grows up to be Ben Franklin or Stephen Hawking.
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Blame everything but the warped evil bastard that should be locked up or put down. Sorry, not everyone grows up to be Ben Franklin or Stephen Hawking.
But they still get a trophy........