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Title: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: jpr9954 on May 01, 2008, 12:40:32 PM
I picked this up on a list dedicated to issues within the Great Smokies. Of course, they don't know that I'm pro-gun. ;D

Time to let the NPS and FWS what you think about being defenseless in the middle of nowhere.

John



http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/E8-9606.htm (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/E8-9606.htm)

SUMMARY: The Department of the Interior, through the National Park Service and the Fish and Wildlife Service, proposes to amend regulations presently codified in 36 CFR part 2 and 50 CFR part 27, which provide guidance and controls for the possession and transportation of firearms in national park areas and national wildlife refuges. The proposed amendments would update the regulations to reflect current state laws authorizing the possession of concealed firearms, while maintaining the existing regulatory provisions that ensure visitor safety and resource protection such as the prohibitions on poaching and limitations on hunting and target practice.

DATES: Written comments will be accepted through June 30, 2008.
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: jaybet on May 01, 2008, 01:31:08 PM
Done...scary though...they want a lot of information
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: Jim Urban on May 01, 2008, 06:23:34 PM
but the ONLY box you're REQUIRED to complete is the Comment/Suggestion Box. All other info is voluntary.
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: smurfslayer on May 01, 2008, 07:44:00 PM
I hope you guys will forgive the 1st post being so ... political...

NPS has been petitioned by VCDL.org & 4 dozen co-petitioners twice.  This is the 1st time we've gotten traction. 

As you can see NPS has published it's version of the regulations.  I have a website detailing petition efforts going back to 2004 at

www.bighammer.net/timeline.html

I have links there directly to the regulations.gov page to comment, as well as some suggested comments.  You can go directly to the comments section on my website :

http://www.bighammer.net/Frame-24-timelinepage24.html#05/01/08

Please feel free to use any, some, none, or all of the suggested comments.  Remember though, the more comments received along the same lines, the better chance we have of getting a friendlier regulation passed.

Thanks! 

Dave   
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: jpr9954 on May 01, 2008, 09:00:57 PM
Dave,

For a first post, it will be hard to beat yours. Thanks for posting the links to the VA Citizens Defense League's info on concealed carry in National Parks.

I live on the doorstep of the Great Smoky Mtns NP and I'd like to be able to carry concealed when I'm in the backcountry fishing. By the proposed rule, I wouldn't be able to do so as firearms are not allowed in North Carolina State Parks.  >:(

John
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: smurfslayer on May 01, 2008, 09:34:38 PM
Quote from: jpr9954 on May 01, 2008, 09:00:57 PM
Dave,

For a first post, it will be hard to beat yours. Thanks for posting the links to the VA Citizens Defense League's info on concealed carry in National Parks.

I live on the doorstep of the Great Smoky Mtns NP and I'd like to be able to carry concealed when I'm in the backcountry fishing. By the proposed rule, I wouldn't be able to do so as firearms are not allowed in North Carolina State Parks.  >:(

John

Thanks John.  We're working on it.  If you check out the proposed 'changed regulations' I have in my comments section, I stripped that 'analogous state lands' language out.  If we make a big enough showing we may be able to convince some Congressmen to reassert "assimilate the state law", not the state law plus more restrictions.  Take as many of my comments as you want, or as few.  But please comment on the proposed rule change, and definitely pan them on that silly "analogous state lands" language. 

We'll win this if we stick together 
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: ericire12 on May 02, 2008, 10:10:23 AM
I sent in my 2 cents. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: jpr9954 on May 03, 2008, 03:16:51 PM
From a document put out by the Atty Gen. of NC in which he talks about restrictions on concealed carry in state buildings:

This prohibition does not apply to stateowned
rest areas, rest stops along the highways, and state -owned hunting and fishing
reservations. Possessing or carrying a weapon in these areas is a misdemeanor. N.C.
Gen. Stat. ยง 14-269.4

Thus, as I read that, it is still against the law and would make it impossible to carry concealed in the Great Smoky Mountains NP, Cape Hatteras Nation Seashore, Cape Lookout National Seashore, etc.

I think what you are seeing is an attempt by not so wellmeaning bureaucrats to do an end run. We'll allow concealed carry in national parks if states allow it in their parks which WE KNOW MOST DO NOT.

John
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: DDMac on May 03, 2008, 04:55:52 PM
Not sure I follow your logic JPR. The three examples are federal property. State prohibitions would not apply.  ???
Mac.
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: 2HOW on May 03, 2008, 07:12:10 PM
It wont matter at all as long as the state has the final say. If all the national parks allow carry , the state has the right to not allow it, its already been shot down in tennessee.
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: 2HOW on May 03, 2008, 07:21:15 PM
Quote from: DDMack on May 03, 2008, 04:55:52 PM
Not sure I follow your logic JPR. The three examples are federal property. State prohibitions would not apply.  ???
Mac.
  State prohibitions do apply MAC , unless the state allows carry in state parks you cannot carry in national parks.       * * * * *
    (e) Persons may possess, carry, and transport concealed, loaded,
and operable firearms within a national wildlife refuge in the same
manner, and to the same extent, that a person may lawfully possess,
carry, and transport concealed, loaded and operable firearms in any
state wildlife refuge, or any similar unit of state land, in the state
in which the national wildlife refuge, or that portion thereof, is
located, provided that such possession, carrying and transporting
otherwise complies with applicable federal and state law.

Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: DDMac on May 04, 2008, 08:34:45 AM
2HOW, Got it! Thanks,
Mac.
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: 2HOW on May 05, 2008, 05:59:36 PM
For  once it sucks Mac, that the states overrule the FED.
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: Blank on May 06, 2008, 12:27:08 AM
Well, I am glad to see the Nat Parks and USDA come around to the idea of CCW in the parks...

I am old enough to remember when fish cops in Idaho were unarmed. (it good to be old, I guess)

Then one day two of the good old boy fish cops were shot down cold in poacher's camp.
They took three guns from the poacher, then tried to arrest him. Guess what?
He had one more gun, a .22 pistol, he used to kill both unarmed officers.
He left one of them for dead in a cold stream.

Right after that, folks woke up! And now fish cops everywhere carry all kinds of guns, radios, computer, and have lots of training to use them too...

Know why?

Because Nat Parks and Nat. Forests are, full of bad guys. That hideout in Nat parks and Nat Forests everyday.

Just because they are camping... Does not mean they are nice people like you...

I would just like to carry my pistol in Nat Parks and US Forest service lands. Just in case, a bad guy walk in my camp wanting food or a beer or local information. Then rob me or take my wife or daughter away and leave me in a cold stream to die.

Be nice when you write your letter or check your box. They got the idea already... Trust me! Do not make them mad
In other words wear your tie when you talk to them. Not, your Kill or be Killed tee shirt.

My two worth, only,

Blank

BTW: I was working for USDA at time, unarmed and alone, in a Nat. Forest write tickets and making arrest at the time of those shootings. Any questions?
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: DDMac on May 06, 2008, 05:59:39 AM
Apparently, in this case, the Feds wanted to throw us a bone.. but still retain plausable deniability if a camper goes nuts with his kit gun!
Mac.
ps. Blank, a Navy buddy's brother worked in Emmett doing the same thing. He preferred silvaculture and firefighting. You are sure right about what lives in the National Parks. Glad you made it through. Mc.
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: Blank on May 06, 2008, 11:13:32 PM
Hey!

Thanks Mac.

"Apparently, in this case, the Feds wanted to throw us a bone.. but still retain plausable deniability if a camper goes nuts with his kit gun!"

I see, said the blind man ;)

That's understandable... The first thing they told me to do...

Was, to cover my own but, first!

Regards,
Blank
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: DDMac on May 07, 2008, 04:58:38 AM
I have over the years spent lots of quality time it the woods of MS and NC. Ticks! I HATE ticks. Sorry, Indiana. Anyway, the State's argument that there is no need to go armed because it is safe in the parks-forests is clearly dispelled by a brief review of news articles relating to assaults, rapes and robberies that are common in NC. But besides that, there are lots of "agricultural entrepreneurs" who invest lots of time and effort trying to remain undetected. Here, they do not behave well when accidentally disturbed.
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj211/DMACK_2008/MJ20smaller.jpg)

While most herb farmers won't take on a drug enforcement team, a casual hiker is a diffrent story. NC is still looking for the male of an elderly couple that was missing a few months age. Lady found murdered. People vanish. That's reason enough for me.
Mac.

Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: jpr9954 on May 07, 2008, 06:16:36 AM
Quote from: DDMack on May 07, 2008, 04:58:38 AM


While most herb farmers won't take on a drug enforcement team, a casual hiker is a diffrent story. NC is still looking for the male of an elderly couple that was missing a few months age. Lady found murdered. People vanish. That's reason enough for me.
Mac.



Yep, and I live in an adjoining county from where that elderly couple disappeared. However, in this case, it wasn't drug related or at least not related to growing drugs on NPS or NFS property. The psychopath arrested apparently killled 1-2 women in Georgia in a Nat. Forest there as well as the elderly couple.

John
Title: Re: Park Service requesting public comments on concealed carry regs.
Post by: DDMac on May 07, 2008, 07:11:54 AM
I missed the capture. But, there are still monsters.
Mac.