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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: santahog on January 09, 2013, 12:13:36 AM
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I've got an opportunity to sit down with my State Senator to talk about our gun laws here.
I want to know what one law regarding firearms and self defense in your state that you think "Everybody ought to have"..
If you can give me a reference/link to your law, that would be helpful too..
Thank you..
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We need to do more than bitch and pound the keyboard here. We've got an opportunity to move the ball back towards the other guys goal line at the state level, and I think we ought to do it..
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Well, I've had the opportunity to live 38 years in one of the absolute worst states for firearm laws, (Illinois). And for the last 22 years in what I consider the best state in the union for gun ownership, (Arizona). It really wakes you up when you have a state with excellent firearm ownership laws, after you come from what amounts to a communist dictator state that legislates them to death. And who are now literally trying to legislate them out of existence.
Anything here Class III or AOW is signed off on without question, and the paperwork process does not take very long. Sheriff Joe Arpaio is the "Chief Law Enforcement Officer" for Maricopa County, in regards to Class III weapons. He inks the paperwork quick, and is extremely pro gun. Right down to forming "Armed Posses" out of citizen patrols. You can't ask for much more than that from your top cop concerning gun ownership.
We now have the right to carry either open or concealed without any type of permit. Which as we all know, is the way it should be in every state. This thanks to Jan Brewer our Governor, who is also very pro gun and pro Second Amendment. She also recently signed a law allowing concealed carry in bars. Something the liberals cringed at. To date there have been no drunken bar shootouts involving CCW, or anyone else legally carrying either open or concealed. You cannot be served alcohol if you are carrying.
I think if there ever was a state that proves more guns, along with very open gun laws, equals less crime, it's Arizona. About the only state that comes close is Texas. So I would bring up Arizona with your state Senator when you speak to him. And keep referring back to it in your discussion. The reason is it proves how well firearm friendly governments works. Also mention Illinois, which while being the most restrictive, is also home to the murder capitol of the United States, (Chicago). It's always better if you give positive, as well as negative examples in your discussion. Just bloviating about a pro gun point of view convinces few, if any. Facts are on your side if you compare the best to the worst. The stats. are easy to look up and offer as proof. The better prepared with facts you are, the more convincing you will be. And at the same time impress the hell out of him with the fact you did your homework, and know of what you speak. Just preaching an ideology, be it pro or anti gun, is boring to listen to regardless of which side of the issue you're on.
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Sorry, I live in NJ. The best gun laws here are the ones they haven't thought of yet.
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Other than federal regulations the only gun laws in NH are that the STATE, (not counties, or cities/towns ) regulates fire arms, you are supposed to have a permit for CCW, how ever, that is $10 for residents on completion of a form and MUST be issued within 14 days or written explanation of reason for refusal .
I will say my first one here in Laconia took 18 days but that was because the lady who actually handles the paper work was out with the flu, renewal was less than a week.
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KY has some of the best laws anywhere. I think the best law we have is the pre-emption law that keeps local governments from making up their own laws. If we didn't have that, Louisville would have passed anti-gun laws years ago. The only States with better gun laws would have to be the ones where no concealed carry permit is needed to carry concealed. KY requires a CCW, but it is easy to get. And in KY, if you just want to have your gun in your glove compartment, it is NOT considered concealed. All in all, considering this was a traditionally Democrat state for many years, we have some great gun laws.
Oh yeah, we don't have to run a NICS check if you have a CCW.
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I live in Illnois :-[ , I'll let you know when they pass one. ;)
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I agree with BILLT, Arizona probably does have the best gun laws. Here in Texas they are very good but could always use a little improvement. The House has just gone back into session and the TSRA is always pushing for more. With a Republican controled House and Senate and Governor things should get even better.
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Wyomng.....
Constitutional Carry
Castle Doctrine
No Duty to Retreat (Applies no matter where you are, assuming you are rightfully there)
No restrictions on ownership (assuming you have the paperwork for NFA)
No restrictions on how a weapon is carried
No NICS check with CCW Permit
Miles and Miles and Miles and MILES of places to go shoot.
Dick Cheney (just a bonus to piss off the liberals)
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MD. Hahahahahahahahahaha Next to Illinois the worst state in the U.S. Surprised we haven't seceded from the union just to stay away from AZ. For your sake, don't reference ANY law from MD.
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Keep em coming, guys.. :)
Drop in some links to your states laws if you know where to find them too..
Thanks.. Maybe we can move the ball!!
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MD. Hahahahahahahahahaha Next to Illinois the worst state in the U.S. Surprised we haven't seceded from the union just to stay away from AZ. For your sake, don't reference ANY law from MD.
It's not THAT bad JrLobo Md may suck, but it's better than Hi. and you might be a shade better than NJ, you'd have to debate that one with JayBet .
So as bad as it is your only 3rd, and maybe 4th.
If you can buy with out advance permission you're definitely 4th.
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Here's a link to plain text explanations of Georgia's laws...... along with another good place to look. Since S.B. 308 passed a few years ago, it clarified a lot of messy legal language for us.
http://georgiapacking.org/law.php
http://www.georgiacarry.org/
Georgia also currently has a petition trying to get 100,000 signatures for Constitutional Carry to be introduced in the state Legislature.
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Massachusetts...
Sucks but...once licensed by the "Bureau", (local Chief of Policia makes that decision), we are restricted on WHAT we can buy but there is no waiting period, there is no maximum (I can buy everything in the store if I have the funds), technically it's an "open carry" state, a semi-Castle Doctrine exists....no mailorder ammo but components aren't restricted.
It ain't CA, NJ, NY, MD, IL, WI...but, the "times they are a changing"...the Head Nucklelhead In Charge want's to invoke a 1 gun per month dealio that he tried to pass a few years ago! Who knows now that his "brotha" is looking to circumcise the Congress anyway!
Regardless of what were faced with, WE DON'T WANT DEVAL PATRICK RUNNING FOR POTUS IN 2016!
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Take a look at Oregon Firearm Federation's website for some good ideas http://oregonfirearms.org/ (http://oregonfirearms.org/) . A self-proclaimed "no compromise" 2A grassroots group that was started in '99 they have moved mountains to prevent bad laws and pass good ones over the last 13 years and I just joined (along with the 2nd Amendment Foundation and my current NRA membership) ;D
Time to join the fight... 8)
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In NH the requirements to purchase a gun are, Ability to pass NICS, Photo ID, money or credit card.
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I spent my first 45 years in California, so I really know the bad laws. Now I'm in Utah and it's easy here. We have a lot of the same that have been stated, and the teachers were already able to carry in schools. Also, any other concealed carry holders can carry in schools, or even into the state capitol.
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TAKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey MB, wanna take a second look at some land in windy Wyo?
http://k2radio.com/wyoming-lawmakers-propose-gun-protection-legislation/
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MI is shall issue for CCW. Class 3 and suppressors are legal but I don't know anyone who has one.
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I don't know any individual in NH who owns a suppressor, but one of my former co workers has a Browning 1919 .30 cal, and a Mac 10.
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A co-worker, friend and fellow USPSA shooter has an SBR a couple of supressors (my daughter loves his 1911 .22 with the hush puppy on it) and has or has had every gun I've considered buying except my XDM.
And yes he is not married, never been married and not even dating.
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A co-worker, friend and fellow USPSA shooter has an SBR a couple of supressors (my daughter loves his 1911 .22 with the hush puppy on it) and has or has had every gun I've considered buying except my XDM.
And yes he is not married, never been married and not even dating.
That was kind of obvious from the rest of your post ;D
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That was kind of obvious from the rest of your post ;D
;D
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TAKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey MB, wanna take a second look at some land in windy Wyo?
http://k2radio.com/wyoming-lawmakers-propose-gun-protection-legislation/
Folks in Texas have noticed. This is from our NRA affiliate - the Texas State Rifle Association:
A proposal to existing Wyoming law is causing a stir in Texas.
HB 104 is an amendment to a tenuous existing Wyoming law which is currently being decided in the courts. Is this an admirable public policy statement or a tool to stop an aggressive federal intrusion? If Wyoming HB 104 is a "usable tool" as intended, the Texas Legislature will certainly follow.
In the meantime, others have stepped forward. Lt. Governor David Dewhurst was recently asked if a remedy was available in the state of Texas to stop firearm confiscations and other serious attacks on 2nd Amendment rights.
Dewhurst answered that he could be named as the plaintiff in a lawsuit on behalf of the State of Texas against the Federal Government. A temporary restraining order would halt the onerous action. The suit would likely go to the U.S. Supreme Court which could take 2 years. Our lawyer? Why, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, of course!
While the Wyoming law might work against a federal assault, remember the Texas Legislature is still organizing for legislative session with 138 days to go. Final passage for most legislation takes about half that time to cycle through the entire process.
We might need quicker action. It's good to know we have friends in high places. watching.
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Well, Tom, 4th out of 50 on the worst list doesn't seem like the model to use for me. But, if you guys want the pain of slugging through MD's gun laws, have at it. Here are two "summaries"' to start you on your way:
http://www.oag.state.md.us/Opinions/2010/95oag101.pdf which governs what the hell is an assault weapon or a reasonable facsimile thereof. And...
http://www.mcsm.org/mdlaw.html which is a summary of overall MD firearms laws.
Two things you can do to really check on what you can buy from here is go to a big arms dealer like Buds or some manufacturers sites and see what they are even willing to ship into this state. The other is to bring your CCW into this state and walk up to a trooper and say howdy. So few CC Permits are issued in MD because you literally have to prove some one is actually threatening your life or your job or business ownership is such that without being armed your life is naturally in danger. 90% of CCW applications are denied and the state brags about that. Oh yeah, MD doesn't yet recognize CCW licenses from any other state so perhaps you needn't do what I suggested earlier. Please notice on the banned "assault" weapons list how many are SEMI-AUTOMATIC. Any semi-auto that can accept a mag capacity of 20 rounds or more is a no-no. The laws here are convoluted and you are at the mercy of the Secretary of Police and your local Sheriff.
And, no, I don't want to move to Hawaii, New Jersey, New York or California (even though I lived there for a few years back in the 50's). I have enough frustration right here in MD.