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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: jnevis on January 23, 2013, 06:37:04 PM
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A SCHOOL in Southern CALIFORNIA that had to order ARs for protection...
http://news.yahoo.com/fontana-calif-schools-high-powered-rifles-184934771.html
Of course Yahoo wants to paint them as REALLY dangerous.
Fontana Unified School District police purchased 14 of the Colt LE6940 rifles last fall, and they were delivered the first week of December, a week before a gunman killed 26 students and educators at a Connecticut elementary school.
"I think it just further solidified the need to give our officers the tools they need to respond to an active shooter on campus," schools Police Chief Billy Green said Wednesday about the tragedy.
'If someone were to come onto one of our school campuses and kill our students ... and they were wearing body armor or were equipped with a rifle, our officers were not properly equipped to respond to the danger," Green said.
The rifles were purchased to address a "critical vulnerability," although there has never been such an attack at any of the 45 Fontana campuses, the chief said. The 14 officers currently carry handguns, according to police officials.
The weapons, which cost $1,000 each, are high-powered weapons that are accurate at longer range and can pierce body armor.
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The guns did not require approval from the school board but member Leticia Garcia said she will ask the board to discuss the issue. There should have been a public discussion before they were purchased, Garcia said.
"Those rifles have ricocheting ammunition ... they can go right through people," Garcia said. "We're talking about a war-zone rifle, and so are we going to militarize our public schools? We have to provide a safe haven for people to learn ... but this, to me, seems a little bit too much."
Anti-gunner Dem? Any bets?
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The weapons are an uncomfortable but necessary evil, said BarBara L. Chavez, the board's vice president
"In my world, everything should be peaceful, we shouldn't hate each other," said the mother of five. "However, that's not the world we're living in. We're living in a violent world, crazies are out there constantly. ... We need to be prepared."
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A SCHOOL in Southern CALIFORNIA that had to order ARs for protection...
http://news.yahoo.com/fontana-calif-schools-high-powered-rifles-184934771.html
Of course Yahoo wants to paint them as REALLY dangerous.
Fontana Unified School District police purchased 14 of the Colt LE6940 rifles last fall, and they were delivered the first week of December, a week before a gunman killed 26 students and educators at a Connecticut elementary school.
"I think it just further solidified the need to give our officers the tools they need to respond to an active shooter on campus," schools Police Chief Billy Green said Wednesday about the tragedy.
'If someone were to come onto one of our school campuses and kill our students ... and they were wearing body armor or were equipped with a rifle, our officers were not properly equipped to respond to the danger," Green said.
The rifles were purchased to address a "critical vulnerability," although there has never been such an attack at any of the 45 Fontana campuses, the chief said. The 14 officers currently carry handguns, according to police officials.
The weapons, which cost $1,000 each, are high-powered weapons that are accurate at longer range and can pierce body armor.
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The guns did not require approval from the school board but member Leticia Garcia said she will ask the board to discuss the issue. There should have been a public discussion before they were purchased, Garcia said.
"Those rifles have ricocheting ammunition ... they can go right through people," Garcia said. "We're talking about a war-zone rifle, and so are we going to militarize our public schools? We have to provide a safe haven for people to learn ... but this, to me, seems a little bit too much."
Anti-gunner Dem? Any bets?
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The weapons are an uncomfortable but necessary evil, said BarBara L. Chavez, the board's vice president
"In my world, everything should be peaceful, we shouldn't hate each other," said the mother of five. "However, that's not the world we're living in. We're living in a violent world, crazies are out there constantly. ... We need to be prepared."
Well IF they REALLY don't want them I'll take them all off their hand for 90% of their cost-they are used after all ;D
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Where can I get some ricocheting ammunition that goes through people?
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Where can I get some ricocheting ammunition that goes through people?
Buy some Federal Lake City Green Tips. She maybe anti-gun, but she ain't wrong here. Hornady 55 grain TAP on the other hand, is a different story.
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Buy some Federal Lake City Green Tips. She maybe anti-gun, but she ain't wrong here. Hornady 55 grain TAP on the other hand, is a different story.
Any ammunition will ricochet under the right circumstances .
Even frangible .
Some how I don't think TAP will violate the laws of physics .
So much schooling, so little learning . ::)
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Any ammunition will ricochet under the right circumstances .
Even frangible .
Some how I don't think TAP will violate the laws of physics .
So much schooling, so little learning . ::)
And yet you are the pedant here. I was pointing out that military issue AP ammo raises legitimate concerns, whereas purpose built SD rounds will go far in allying those. What's your problem with this? ::)
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And yet you are the pedant here. I was pointing out that military issue AP ammo raises legitimate concerns, whereas purpose built SD rounds will go far in allying those. What's your problem with this? ::)
The problem is that that is not what you said .
This is what you said .
Buy some Federal Lake City Green Tips. She maybe anti-gun, but she ain't wrong here. Hornady 55 grain TAP on the other hand, is a different story.
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The problem is that that is not what you said .
This is what you said .
I figured that people on this board were gun literate enough that I wouldn't have to use small words and write in crayon. You got the point, and I'm sure everyone else did as well.
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Yep, I got it!
Richard
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Where can I get some ricocheting ammunition that goes through people?
We call it Ballistic Billiards for Conservatives.
"One shot. Off the far wall, back to the refrigerator, off the left wall, through the perp, and back into my brass catcher. $10 says I make it."
It's a great game. It's better than paintball because there is the possibility that the last ricochet will go through the shooter--so there's that.
Crusader
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Okay, someone clarify for me. I know that the federal green tip is a steel core, (and I have little doubt would go through armor) but I thought the black tipped stuff was true AP ammo?
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??? I THOUGHT THE GREEN TIPS WERE FOR ZOMBIES??!! ::)
JUST KIDDING, GUYS.
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Okay, someone clarify for me. I know that the federal green tip is a steel core, (*and I have little doubt would go through armor) but I thought the black tipped stuff was true AP ammo?
The black tip is M995. Green tip M855/SS109 is NOT AP.
*depends on your definition of "armor"
Here's a page that lists 5.56 ammo specs/characteristics:
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/556mm_ammo.html
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The green tip ammo is considered to be ball ammo. Normally ball ammo doesn't have a painted tip. You can tell at a glance that it's not old M193 ball ammo and has the steel tip.
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The green tip ammo is considered to be ball ammo. Normally ball ammo doesn't have a painted tip. You can tell at a glance that it's not old M193 ball ammo and has the steel tip.
JFrank, I'm not the most traveled guy in the world but I've never seen 5.56 ammo with a visible steel tip.
Even the black painted tip on the AP is a copper jacket.
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JFrank, I'm not the most traveled guy in the world but I've never seen 5.56 ammo with a visible steel tip.
Even the black painted tip on the AP is a copper jacket.
It has a steel penetrator in the tip of the bullet right in front of the lead core. The green paint identifies it as such. Sorry for the confusion.