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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Big Frank on January 24, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
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Here Are The More Than 150 Guns Dianne Feinstein Wants To Ban. http://www.mediaite.com/online/here-are-the-more-than-150-guns-dianne-feinstein-wants-to-ban/
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I noticed that Colt Match Target Rifles, and 308 Match rifles are subject to the ban. Who can argue with banning rifles that are almost exclusively used in target shooting events? Think of all the shot-up paper we can save.
"It's for the targets."
Oh, and you will have to raise your voice a bit when you talk to Dianne. Her ass-cheeks are covering her ear holes.
Crusader
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I only took a quick glance at the list but I saw the Sites Spectre pistol was on there. It must be the weapon of choice of gang bangers. ::) I've never even seen one IRL and I bet the Dems haven't either.
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(http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/D8AGdjg.jpg)
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Here's a question.... I have an AK-47 rifle... it's not on the list.
Guberment PC'ness tells me the AK(DASH)47 does not show on the list... so I must be good...
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I tried posting a picture of the list but the image was too big. It must have been a high capacity clipping.
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I had Fox on for a while, because I was hoping to see the actual speech concerning this. What I did see was little sound bites and commentary. The worst thing I saw was some dumb blonde bitch behind a Fox desk say that she didn't see any rifles or handguns in the big photo of banned guns.
Hey!!! The great big poster was nothing but rifles!!! Even those who claim to be on our side are idiots >:(
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Here's a question.... I have an AK-47 rifle... it's not on the list.
Guberment PC'ness tells me the AK(DASH)47 does not show on the list... so I must be good...
The answer is - All AK types
For AR's - All AR types
Her list is for illustration only. The operative words on her list are, ALL TYPES!
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I noticed 22lr AR's are on the list. ???
But the SKS insn't, I thought it was on the old ban list?
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The reality that the VPC and it's predecessors have been stating since the 60's, is that they want to ban them all .
No one needs a gun, only the police, the Army and DiFi should have guns, the Marines will have to make do with knives.
F*ck you, come and take it.
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Hey Cookie only Chinese ones ( Type 56s and 56S2) all other SKS's apear to be ok
Mike Mc
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Once again, read the exact wording on the list.
"All AK-47 types, including the following:"
"All AR types, including the following:"
"All Thompson types, including the following:"
"All Uzi types, including:"
The listing of guns are examples of the inclusive word "all." If the language is to be believed DiFi is banning all AKs, ARs, Thompsons and Uzis.
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(http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/D8AGdjg.jpg)
Now I have a handy shopping list. That was very thoughtful of her.
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Once again, read the exact wording on the list.
"All AK-47 types, including the following:"
"All AR types, including the following:"
"All Thompson types, including the following:"
"All Uzi types, including:"
The listing of guns are examples of the inclusive word "all." If the language is to be believed DiFi is banning all AKs, ARs, Thompsons and Uzis.
FIFY .
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Did anyone notice in the bill the likes of her are exempt from the ban ??? :-\
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Hello, Citizen. We have noticed that you fart after eating Taco Bell's re-fried beans.
You will immediately register your "pooter" with the Department of Homeland Security as a noxious weapon.
That is all.
It's coming, brothers. It's coming.
Crusader
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So my microtec stg556 (aug clone) would be legal, if I'm reading this right
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So my microtec stg556 (aug clone) would be legal, if I'm reading this right
Your not
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The answer is - All AK types
For AR's - All AR types
Her list is for illustration only. The operative words on her list are, ALL TYPES!
In the unlikely event this does pass, want to take bets on how long it will take Daniel Defense or Dpms to make a FUDDed up looking "non AR" type rifle (and WTF does that even mean?) that will take AR "clips" and use the same parts? I'm betting ten minutes.
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Your not
Ok. I see where I went wrong. I was reading ar as in ar-15. She is attempting to use "ar" as a catch all for any semi auto rifle. This is a very poorly worded bill.
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Ok. I see where I went wrong. I was reading ar as in ar-15. She is attempting to use "ar" as a catch all for any semi auto rifle. This is a very poorly worded bill.
I believe the use of the the language is intentional. People focus on the list as 150 specific guns banned. However, the language used says the ban is on ALL AK, AR, AR/AK pistols, Uzi & Thompsons. Also look at this sample of the detailed list below:
* DoubleStar AR rifles
* DPMS Tactical Rifles
* Heckler & Koch MR556
* Olympic Arms
* Remington R–15 rifles
* Rock River Arms LAR–15
* Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles
* Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles
* Stag Arms AR rifles
* Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles;
Now, reread DiFi's list and you tell me how many guns is she trying to ban?
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I believe the use of the the language is intentional. People focus on the list as 150 specific guns banned. However, the language used says the ban is on ALL AK, AR, AR/AK pistols, Uzi & Thompsons. Also look at this sample of the detailed list below:
* DoubleStar AR rifles
* DPMS Tactical Rifles
* Heckler & Koch MR556
* Olympic Arms
* Remington R–15 rifles
* Rock River Arms LAR–15
* Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles
* Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles
* Stag Arms AR rifles
* Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles;
Now, reread DiFi's list and you tell me how many guns is she trying to ban?
Shes trying to ban almost all semiautos. Found this on the NRA site. I"m starting to believe the list is smoke and mirrors.
•Ban the sale, transfer, manufacture or importation of 157 named firearms. Presumably, these were chosen by looking at pictures, as Sen. Feinstein has said she did before introducing her first legislation on the issue in 1993.
•Ban all semi-automatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine. This is because the bill would ban any semi-automatic detachable-magazine rifle that has even one "feature," particularly a pistol grip—which is defined to include any "characteristic that can function as a grip." Other features that would cause a rifle to be banned include a forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or (as an absurd propaganda move) rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or a threaded barrel.
•Ban all detachable-magazine semi-auto pistols that have any of the following: a threaded barrel, second pistol grip, or magazine that mounts anywhere other than the grip. The bill would also ban any handgun that is a semi-automatic version of a fully automatic handgun.
•Ban all semi-automatic rifles and handguns that have fixed magazines that accept more then 10 rounds.
•Ban all semi-automatic shotguns that have just one of the following: a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; a pistol grip; a fixed magazine that can accept more than five rounds, a detachable magazine; a forward grip; a revolving cylinder; or a grenade or rocket launcher. As with the rifle provision, this could potentially ban any semi-auto shotgun, because all of them have "characteristics that can function as a grip." And of course, countless Americans have pistol-grip shotguns for home defense.
•Ban all belt-fed semi-automatic firearms, such as semi-auto replicas of historic machine guns.
•Ban all frames or receivers of banned guns, even though in many cases they are identical to the frames and receivers of guns that would not be banned.
•Ban "combinations of parts" from which "assault weapons" can be assembled. Read broadly, this could ban the acquisition of a single spare part that could be combined with parts you already own.
•Ban any "part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle"--a vague definition that could ban items such as competition trigger parts.
•Ban the sale or transfer of all ammunition feeding devices that hold more than ten rounds. Even those lawfully possessed before passage of the bill could never be transferred, even to your heirs through a will.
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Truth is....Fiendstein (intentionally misspelled) wants to ban all guns.
Period.
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Truth is....Fiendstein (intentionally misspelled) wants to ban all guns.
Period.
From my reply to her list over on RTKBA
The bottom line is that we must not loose site of their final goal:
Zero firearms in the hands of American subjects!
This is a bad day for me to be contributing on this. Vietnam on History Channel, Patriot was on earlier, and Braveheart is also on this afternoon. Too many reminders of what happens when we forget history!
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She has had a ccw for 35+ years... In a county where you can't get one.
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Some pigs are more equal than others.
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I know I keep hitting on this, but this is a very important fact in gun ban legislation. Here is an illustrated selection for you to ponder when it comes to stocks. Keep in mind that on the list of banned items are pistol grips, and pistol grips are defined as a grip that protrudes and is pronounced.
We know they want these pistol grip and thumbhole stocks banned:
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/m58/RFA3-204_zps0db521f9.jpg)
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/m58/SavageThumbhole_zps3ed0ddcb.png)
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/m58/BenelliTurkeyGun_zpsa81b0706.png)
But what about these pronounced grips that are correctly named "pistol grip" in firearm nomenclature"
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/m58/Pistolgripstock_zpsada3beb7.png)
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/m58/rifle-dis-assembled_zps1765c7f5.png)
The people, like Mrs. Feinstein, who are introducing this legislation may be ignorant concerning guns and their nomenclature, but those behind the movement are not. This is where it is so important to remember that proper names are important. We can not let them slip by crap by not paying attention to the names and words used. Last week following Jessie Duff's demonstration on Sean Hannity's show someone blasted her for her pointing out the pistol grip. It is true that the grip added to the forestock is often called a "forward grip", but in true definition it is a "pistol grip."
Like all legislation passed, the devil is in the details. Think about each item named and what it really is. Think about each firearm on the banned list and how it translates to other firearms. Think about the exempted list and how it conflicts with the banned list or list of banned items. These bills are not near as much about the actual upfront control and bans as they are about the cracks they create for future expansion and destruction.
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I need someone to 'photoshop' an AR with a Winchester 94 stock, no pistol grip, and 3 magazine wells all holding a 10rnd magazine and feeding
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Semi auto belt feds are on the list? You've got to be kidding me? When was the last time a .50 BMG was used in a criminal act? Let alone a belt fed, semi auto "Ma Deuce"? All control. Nothing to do with guns. This proves it beyond a doubt.